If Obama gets a laws passed on free community colleges I will called him:

[007]

No thanks I was one of the cool kids in school who laughed at your ass and always got the cheerleader you wanted

And now you are a blue collar worker who settled for less?

It appears so... it's the same old story all over again.... the class clown that doesn't pay attention in class, more worried about being popular and chasing *****, winds up sucking hind tit and working for peanuts long after school.

You get out of school what you put into it.

 

[rdean]

Mr. President Obama

I always vote conservative and hate obozo polices with a passion, I think he is the 3 crappy presidents we have ever had Bush Jr. and Jimmy Carter the others

But it he could get this passed I would have respect for him I would put him along with Bill Clinton he had faults but did ok

Now my reasons

1. Any industrial community college done in the 80s is useless on a resume, old technology

2. College degrees of the 70s is useless in most fields on a resume today

3 Germany is kicking our ass, in the high tech industry fields, I know been in injection molding for 30 years

4. What I understand Germany is now offering free 4 year colleges

5 do we want to get further behind Germany in technology?

6. The kids I get at work for the past 15 years are complete idiots with just a high school diploma (not all still some diamonds in the ruff like I was)

7. Way to many single mothers, I know they bust there ass and try real hard, but I have seen so many kids at work with street smarts, that didn't even know what a crescent wrench was

9. Companies today deal in a global market now a Dogg eat Dogg, most companies don't even now give a christmas bonus like they used to much less a turkey on thanks giving
They cant afford the old days of sending there employees to school, like my old boss did with me

10. Cons should embrace this ideal by Mr. President Obama, if you invest in community colleges , you will get a return for your companies smarter and brighter keeping up with new technologies not falling back

11. We have I don't know a million or so of skilled jobs go unfilled because they can not find any one, I know this is true, because read about bosh local bitching about in my local paper

It is a great idea by Mr. President Obama a major return on investment , I am 49 Years old and i want to go back so bad get updated on new tech, but why?

Why should I spend say $8,000 dollars to work at a job making 60 grand a year when I Already make 60 grand a year?

With say a person like me goes back to night school I learn about new tech in automation , plcs and apply it , you can only read so much

So pleading with my fellow cons, back this plan with Mr obama.

show proof of you sending in your weekly paychecks to fund it then the "cons" might consider it. you do realize, Guberment doesn't have it's own MONEY TREES they pluck all this money to pay for all this "free stuff" right?
TAXPAYERS already pay for enough. Pay you're own way through more education and stop wanting other to do it for you

I get the distinct impression that the first two posters (that would necessarily include the OP) could benefit from taking some courses at the proposed community colleges, particularly in grammar. Just sayin...

Steph a major return on the investment hell Germany knows

That NEVER pays for itself. For as taxes are continually increased to fund this program or that program, the taxpayers never get any relief. And the freebies just keep on coming....
Look, I have no issue with an adult wanting to expand their skills by going back to school. Perhaps instead of an outright giveaway, instead how about delayed billing for the credits completed by the student. A grant that must be repaid over time.

Under Bush, banks made 6 billion a year running the student loan program. There was no risk since any defaulted loans were covered by the tax payers. The student loan program was basically a "gift" to the banks. When Obama removed that program from bank management, it was reliably estimated to save 6 billion a year or 60 billion over 10 years. Ironically the same cost as funding Jr. Colleges.
So, try to tell Republicans that it would help Americans and better serve the country giving 60 billion to fund schools instead of giving 60 billions to banks, which is what they do, and they scream "socialism".

This is why I think many Republicans are ignorant turds. Of course, this is only one of the many reasons.

Under Bush, banks made 6 billion a year running the student loan program. There was no risk since any defaulted loans were covered by the tax payers. The student loan program was basically a "gift" to the banks.

And to the Universities who had guaranteed money coming in..... Duh!

Universities are supposed to get paid. And they aren't paid by only students. Business also pays them for research. The company I work at paid a local university to have their senior class work on a new type of heat exchanger. The physics behind it was sound, but it had to be redesigned for manufacturing. But that's always the easy part. The hard part is the design concept, one that works. Two of the students were hired by the company but only stayed long enough to be able to put the experience on their resume.

Republicans don't understand the need for our educational institutions. The hard work that goes into it. The difficulty. I guess when you live in a double wide, the world seem a much simpler place.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Free College is very attractive.......as is Affordable Healthcare. Who can argue with either? No one. However, it is HOW these programs are to be implemented that is debatable.

 

[Katzndogz]

There is no such thing as "FREE" community college. Once the government starts handing out taxpayer money to pay tuition the cost will skyrocket, just like it has done with four year universities. In order to get more government money, the community colleges will have to offer easier courses. Vanity courses will infect community colleges just like they did universities.

 

[Stephanie]

 

[rdean]

Okay first of all its not freaking free, I will have to work overtime to pay for this government hand out just like I already work overtime to pay for the other government hand outs. Here's an idea, boot the millions of illegals out of the country and get the millions of American deadbeats off their lazy fat asses who think they are too good to work a job and have them work the jobs illegals are working. Once all the welfare sucking moochers are working a job THEN we can talk about government hand outs that I will have to work overtime to pay for.

I strongly suspect that your employer doesn't not require you to work overtime so you can pay for any so-called 'government handouts'. Gee, and it isn't even make up shit Thursday.

You know jack shit like most libs. I work over 400 hours of overtime a year and the size of the check I write the federal government to pay for your liberal so called 'free' crap is enormous.

I am not a lib...but it i not my fault that you have to work overtime to make ends meet. Perhaps you should have gotten a college education so you don't have to work so many hours. As a matter of fact...I just assume you quit and go on welfare instead of getting the idea that you are the sole supporter of welfare recipient. Of course...if you were smart...you would be able to figure out how much overtime to work before you get bumped up to a new tax bracket and lose all of that money to taxes.

LOL son I pay more in Federal taxes than you earn.

But youre sorely lacking in education regarding your taxes.

You said you work countless overtime hours to cover your federal taxes.

Umm, our tax system is progressive. The more you work/make, the HIGHER your tax bill you god damned drooler.

Jesus **** people are idiots.

You wonder if that person even has a job.

The way they imagined how education is and the way they imagine the constitution to be makes you wonder. If you don't even know how this country works, how can you decide how to run another country like Iraq? A country you don't know anything about, yet are willing to send young Americans there to die.

 

[007]

Mr. President Obama

I always vote conservative and hate obozo polices with a passion, I think he is the 3 crappy presidents we have ever had Bush Jr. and Jimmy Carter the others

But it he could get this passed I would have respect for him I would put him along with Bill Clinton he had faults but did ok

Now my reasons

1. Any industrial community college done in the 80s is useless on a resume, old technology

2. College degrees of the 70s is useless in most fields on a resume today

3 Germany is kicking our ass, in the high tech industry fields, I know been in injection molding for 30 years

4. What I understand Germany is now offering free 4 year colleges

5 do we want to get further behind Germany in technology?

6. The kids I get at work for the past 15 years are complete idiots with just a high school diploma (not all still some diamonds in the ruff like I was)

7. Way to many single mothers, I know they bust there ass and try real hard, but I have seen so many kids at work with street smarts, that didn't even know what a crescent wrench was

9. Companies today deal in a global market now a Dogg eat Dogg, most companies don't even now give a christmas bonus like they used to much less a turkey on thanks giving
They cant afford the old days of sending there employees to school, like my old boss did with me

10. Cons should embrace this ideal by Mr. President Obama, if you invest in community colleges , you will get a return for your companies smarter and brighter keeping up with new technologies not falling back

11. We have I don't know a million or so of skilled jobs go unfilled because they can not find any one, I know this is true, because read about bosh local bitching about in my local paper

It is a great idea by Mr. President Obama a major return on investment , I am 49 Years old and i want to go back so bad get updated on new tech, but why?

Why should I spend say $8,000 dollars to work at a job making 60 grand a year when I Already make 60 grand a year?

With say a person like me goes back to night school I learn about new tech in automation , plcs and apply it , you can only read so much

So pleading with my fellow cons, back this plan with Mr obama.

I think you better finish high school and pass basic English and grammar before you worry about college.

 

[Dot Com]

I get the distinct impression that the first two posters (that would necessarily include the OP) could benefit from taking some courses at the proposed community colleges, particularly in grammar. Just sayin...

^ that

bear513 Stephanie

 

[rdean]

The only time in the last 20 years when the country was even close to collapse was when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency. After 9/11, they even let Bin Laden go and stopped looking for him. It took a Democratic President to find him and bring him down. Not even someone as ignorant as you can deny those FACTS.

 

[Rusty Houser]

Please encourage approval of all gov't programs, as we are so close to rock bottom it's the surefire way home.

 

[007]

The only time in the last 20 years when the country was even close to collapse was when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency. After 9/11, they even let Bin Laden go and stopped looking for him. It took a Democratic President to find him and bring him down. Not even someone as ignorant as you can deny those FACTS.

Wrong, with the kenyan adding 8 trillion dollars to the national debt, and the debt being an unsustainable 18 trillion and growing, we have never been closer to total financial collapse and economic chaos than we are right now, thanks to the dem controlled congress and the socialist obama.

 

[rdean]

There is no such thing as "FREE" community college. Once the government starts handing out taxpayer money to pay tuition the cost will skyrocket, just like it has done with four year universities. In order to get more government money, the community colleges will have to offer easier courses. Vanity courses will infect community colleges just like they did universities.

The 60 billion going to the banks does nothing but rip off the taxpayers. If you take that 60 billion and instead, invest in education, the cost of college drops, there is less debt and the money that would do nothing going to banks held the rest of America instead. And the comments about universities is just plain ignorant. Where did you get your information? Obviously, not by attending a university.

 

[007]

Please encourage approval of all gov't programs, as we are so close to rock bottom it's the surefire way home.

Please shut up.

 

[rdean]

The only time in the last 20 years when the country was even close to collapse was when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency. After 9/11, they even let Bin Laden go and stopped looking for him. It took a Democratic President to find him and bring him down. Not even someone as ignorant as you can deny those FACTS.

Wrong, with the kenyan adding 8 trillion dollars to the national debt, and the debt being an unsustainable 18 trillion and growing, we have never been closer to total financial collapse and economic chaos than we are right now, thanks to the dem controlled congress and the socialist obama.

Why are you saying something so stupid? What "new cost" has Obama added? One 700 million stimulous package? Everything else we are paying for, Iraq, Medicare Part D, the tens of thousands of wounded veterans, the lost revenue from the more than 40,000 closed factories and so on, all came when Republicans held the presidency and both houses. You can't throw a pile of shit at someone and then complain because they aren't cleaning it up fast enough. It was your shit.

 

[Katzndogz]

The solution is really simple and would reduce college costs for those who want a career instead of a degree.

Reduce tuition and subsidize that tuition for majors that will lead to a career. Science, medicine, engineering, math, should be next to nothing. Raise tuition and eliminate subsidizes for fluff majors that have no career path.


Women's studies,[5][6][7] sometimes included as part of "gender studies"[8]
Secularism[9]
LGBT studies[10][11]
Black studies [12]
Hispanic studies
Puppetry
Music Therapy[13]
]Art History[14]
Sequential Art[1
Surf Science and Technology[16]
Outdoor Recreation and Leisure Studies
History of Music
Comparative Religion
Gaming Management[20]
Ethnic Studies
Islamic Studies [22]
The Sociology of Miley Cyrus: Race, Class, Gender, and Media. - Skidmore College [25]
Politicizing Beyoncé: Rutgers University class from the Department of Women’s and Gender Studies. [26]
Contemporary American Culture: The Fifty Shades Trilogy - American University [27]
The Colbert Report: American Satire Writing Seminar - Boston University [28]
Understanding Obama - Harvard Law School [29]
Revolutionary Marxism - Portland State University [30]
Why Occupy Wall Street? The History and Politics of Debt and Finance - New York University [31]
Occupy the Field: Global Finance, Inequality, Social Movement - Columbia University [32]
Football Culture
Queer Musicology – UCLA
The Science of Harry Potter – Frostburg University [33]
Native American Feminism - University of Michigan
Cyber Feminism - Cornell University
Feminist New Black Man - Occidental College [34]
Philosophy and Star Trek – Georgetown University in Washington [35]
The Sociology of Hip-Hop: The Odyssey of Jay-Z – Georgetown University [36]
Emotional Literacy[37]
Media Genres, the study of zombies - University of Baltimore [38]
The Science of Superheroes - UC Irvine [39]
Field Equipment Operation (tractor driving) - UC Davis
Hip Hop: The Politics of Culture - UC San Diego
History of Surfing - UC Santa Barbara
Labor Studies - UM Saint Louis & UM Kansas City [40]
Arguing with Judge Judy - UC Berkeley
Self-Esteem - Cal State Fresno
Gaga for Lady Gaga: Sex, Gender, and Identity- University of Virginia-Charlottesville[41]
Pilot Brewery (brewmaster) - UC Davis
Search for Extraterrestial Intelligence - UC Berkeley
Ecology of Renewable Natural Resources - Texas Tech University [42]
Introduction to social networking
The Mythology of Harry Potter-UCLA
History of Weaving-UC Berkeley
The Simpsons and the American Family-Hampshire College
From DNA to Homosapiens - MCLA
LGBT “Sensitivity Training” - Georgetown University [43]
Getting dressed-Princeton University [44]

These are all college majors that have no career path. They are easy, lecture intensive courses. An A is assured. They just won't lead to a job, ever. The debt burden is tremendous. It's what students want forgiven.

 

[Dot Com]

looks like Tipsycatlover doesn't know the diff between a "major" and a "class". No wonder she never progressed beyond HS.

As to the OP, students would have to go at least 1/2 time and maintain a C+ average among other criteria.

 

[007]

The only time in the last 20 years when the country was even close to collapse was when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency. After 9/11, they even let Bin Laden go and stopped looking for him. It took a Democratic President to find him and bring him down. Not even someone as ignorant as you can deny those FACTS.

Wrong, with the kenyan adding 8 trillion dollars to the national debt, and the debt being an unsustainable 18 trillion and growing, we have never been closer to total financial collapse and economic chaos than we are right now, thanks to the dem controlled congress and the socialist obama.

Why are you saying something so stupid? What "new cost" has Obama added? One 700 million stimulous package? Everything else we are paying for, Iraq, Medicare Part D, the tens of thousands of wounded veterans, the lost revenue from the more than 40,000 closed factories and so on, all came when Republicans held the presidency and both houses. You can't throw a pile of shit at someone and then complain because they aren't cleaning it up fast enough. It was your shit.

You can try and dice it up and make as many excuses you want for it, but the fact of the matter is, OBAMA and the LEFT have so far ADDED 8 TRILLION DOLLARS PLUS AND COUNTING TO THE DEBT. That is on YOUR BOI KING, derp, OWN IT, HE'S THE PRESIDENT, IT'S ON HIS WATCH, HIS ECONOMY.

The collapse is coming, because the DEBT UNDER OBAMA has ALMOST DOUBLED!

 

[Nutz]

looks like Tipsycatlover doesn't know the diff between a "major" and a "class". No wonder she never progressed beyond HS.

As to the OP, students would have to go at least 1/2 time and maintain a C+ average among other criteria.

Yes, she is a racist idiot. I doubt she understands how universities work or what it means to major in pottery but still get a Bachelors of the Arts degree. Here is a hint, tipsy, no matter what your major, you have to pass core classes for the university, then core classes for the college, then core classes for your major. Most Bachelor degree programs, you don't even get into your specific field of concentration until your Jr year...

 

[ninja007]

its the liberals championing the right to "choose". So to be consistent almost all conservatives and many liberals "choose" to own guns. Yet you hear nothing but anti-gun lobbies and media outlets and most liberals calling for bans or at least limits on guns. THAT is the hypocrisy.

If people want to have guns for whatever reason, incl. hunting, sport and family protection LET THEM!

So if the libs were honest you would hear almost nothing from the left about gun control. Over the last 30 days I have counted dozens of gun control/anti-gun stories in the media and on this board. Logic- Criminals will get guns no matter what; might as well have the law abiding citizens protect themselves. GUNS (ownership) save lives.

 

[martybegan]

show proof of you sending in your weekly paychecks to fund it then the "cons" might consider it. you do realize, Guberment doesn't have it's own MONEY TREES they pluck all this money to pay for all this "free stuff" right?
TAXPAYERS already pay for enough. Pay you're own way through more education and stop wanting other to do it for you

I get the distinct impression that the first two posters (that would necessarily include the OP) could benefit from taking some courses at the proposed community colleges, particularly in grammar. Just sayin...

Steph a major return on the investment hell Germany knows

Germany requires you to pass an exam for the privilege of attending a university, so their university population is weeded out before people apply.

Lots of luck trying to apply that system in the US.

So do we. It is called the SAT.

The SAT has no "passing" requirement. You get a score, and you get slotted in, but even people who do miserably get into SOME college.

In Germany you have to PASS it. Its called the Abitur.

Abitur - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


From the wiki on the German education system.

In order to enter university, students are, as a rule, required to have passed the Abitur examination; since 2009, however, those with a Meisterbrief (master craftsman's diploma) have also been able to apply.[5][6] Those wishing to attend a "university of applied sciences" must, as a rule, have Abitur, Fachhochschulreife, or a Meisterbrief. Lacking those qualifications, pupils are eligible to enter a university or university of applied sciences if they can present additional proof that they will be able to keep up with their fellow students through a Begabtenprüfung or Hochbegabtenstudium (which is a test confirming excellence and above average intellectual ability).

Would you rather that all colleges exclude those who YOU feel don't pass muster? What would be the purpose of that?

The point is made to compare Germany paying for university for students vs. the US. In the US since anyone can pretty much get into College the cost would be far greater, and the return far smaller.

And considering I don't create or grade the Abitur, the comparison is not valid that you made of ME making the choice.

I think Colleges need to not be considered a mandatory stop for a persons education. We already have too many college graduates doing work below their "skill level" mostly due to the fact that a lot of the degrees being earned have only application in a limited number of academic or research professions.