Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[SweetSue92]

For me, one of Jesus' most powerful teachings is that the Kingdom of God is near and that it is eternal. Many of us have more concern over living through the troubles of the present life, that the pie in the sky of the future is of no help at all. It is amazing to discover that the Kingdom of God begins right here on earth, in our present life, and it will extend on into eternity. Heaven will be amazing, but an amazing future is sometimes cold comfort in the midst of the troubles of this life. Kingdom living in the here and now is what comforts.

Sure, I agree. But this is very different from saying there is no heaven for the saved.

 

[Meriweather]

I am right with Gd.

Exactly! And a very good thing to keep in mind when entering a religion forum. Should anyone dare to say, "We are all sinners" the best response is, "Sins are forgiven. Some of you needed Jesus to die before this message could sink in."

 

[zaangalewa]

If there is a god, then there is only one universal morality that should apply to all people identically.
The idea of a "Chosen People" is inherently unjust and immoral,

So why did god do so?

so can not be, if there is a "god".

Aha - god not exists - that's why he did choose/is choosing/will choose his Jewish people who are also composing from time to time a Christmas song.



PS.: Did you ever try to think about what the German Christian Johann Sebastian Bach and the German Jew Felix Mendelsohn-Bartholdy have to do with each other? You do not know Felix Mendelsohn-Bartholdy? Strange - because without him you would perhaps not know Johann Sebastian Bach who had been one of the greatest geniuses - if not the greatest genius - of music who ever had lived. By the way: The Thomanerchor was founded in 1212 AD.

 

[Lisa558]

Exactly! And a very good thing to keep in mind when entering a religion forum. Should anyone dare to say, "We are all sinners" the best response is, "Sins are forgiven. Some of you needed Jesus to die before this message could sink in."

I really like why you’ve said here in that “SOME of you needed Jesus”. The converse is some did NOT.

All good people go to Heaven, whether they believe in Jesus or not. I remember when some particularly obnoxious Christian* asked me, “why don’t you want to go to Heaven?” with the obvious implication that I’m not unless I believe like he does.

*what made him particularly obnoxious is that this happened on the drive home from my parents’ Seder, to which I had invited him because he ASKED if he could come. He knew enough not to ask such an insulting question in front of my elderly parents - his hosts - so Christians KNOW how rude they’re being. And yet they do it anyway.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

1) Again, that’s just YOUR belief. To others, Jesus never said anything like that - or it was misinterpreted.

2) And you complain about certain groups - Jews, Mormons, etc. - “choosing” their club. YOU chose your club as well.

3) You sound like the intolerant liberals I know. They also believe only THEIR belief is right, and everyone else is wrong - and then tell you how wrong you are.

No, I look at what the Bible actually says, AND I BELIEVE IT. I don't look to men, but the Word of God. It's in both the Old and New. They teach the same thing.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Exactly! And a very good thing to keep in mind when entering a religion forum. Should anyone dare to say, "We are all sinners" the best response is, "Sins are forgiven. Some of you needed Jesus to die before this message could sink in."

Not if you haven't accepted the price being paid for your sins in blood. You know better, but you're ashamed of Christ

 

[Lisa558]

No, I look at what the Bible actually says, AND I BELIEVE IT. I don't look to men, but the Word of God. It's in both the Old and New. They teach the same thing.

Again, different religions see things differently, and believe accordingly.

Are you the poster who said he was born and raised Jewish, but converted to Christianity?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Well, Jews have direct lineage to Abraham while the "goy" do not

"Goy' is a term of CONTEMPT.

BTW, you are not Jewish.

 

[Meriweather]

so Christians KNOW how rude they’re being. And yet they do it anyway.

Are they being rude, or are they revealing ignorance? Christians are taught that Jesus is the Word of God, which means they should be aware they are following the Word of God. Once this light is present, pointing out that through the Commandments, Wisdom, and Biblical scriptures, Jews were following the Word of God before Jesus came into the world to reveal the Word of God to those who had not yet heard it, or had not yet come to understand it. He came to explain it in parables, in story form, to present it so it was easier to understand for those who had not yet reached that, "Ah-ha! moment." The New Testament has more than a few accounts of Jesus having to explain some things over and over again to even his closest followers before they were able to finally get it. God is patient. God is kind.

 

[shockedcanadian]

"Goy' is a term of CONTEMPT.

BTW, you are not Jewish.

Would you prefer the term gentile? Speak about the reality of the terms used, I listen to rabbis who live in Israel and term is used often especially when quoting the Talmud.

I didn't say I was Jewish.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

?!?!?!?!?!

How do you figure?

From the Creation until Jesus:
No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

After the Millennial Reign of Jesus and the Resurrected Saints ON THE EARTH:

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

[Meriweather]

Not if you haven't accepted the price being paid for your sins in blood. You know better, but you're ashamed of Christ

Jesus' blood is the sign of the New Covenant--repentance for the forgiveness of sins. His was the final sacrifice, the sign that sins are forgiven. Those of you who forget this while seeing Jesus' work as merely paying a debt you owe, miss out on the rest of what he was teaching.

 

[Lisa558]

"Goy' is a term of CONTEMPT.

BTW, you are not Jewish.

In Hebrew, it really isn’t. Goyim just means all nations.

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus' blood is the sign of the New Covenant--repentance for the forgiveness of sins. His was the final sacrifice, the sign that sins are forgiven. Those of you who forget this while seeing Jesus' work as merely paying a debt you owe, miss out on the rest of what he was teaching.

Will you be online for the next 10 minutes? I want to type out a reply and won’t if you’ll be offline by then.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Would you prefer the term gentile? Speak about the reality of the terms used, I listen to rabbis who live in Israel and term s used often especially when quote the Talmud.

I didn't say I was Jewish.

You can call me what you want. But it is a term of CONTEMPT or distain. Kinda silly coming from a goy himself

 

[Carl in Michigan]

In Hebrew, it really isn’t. Goyim just means all nations.

And the word no one can say here is rooted in the word for black, but it's meat to show contempt

 

[shockedcanadian]

You can call me what you want. But it is a term of CONTEMPT or distain. Kinda silly coming from a goy himself

I don't view it with contempt though some have tried to force the evolution of the word to make it more slanderous that its literal meanings. It really just means "non-Jewish person" or those of "a foreign nation" per se. It's no different than many words in which over time people use in a derogatory form but it betrays the meaning and usage as found in biblical text. I refer to the biblical text and historic writing in such instances.

Even in the book of Genesis it is referred: In 12:2 "descendants will form a goy gadal" which means great nation. Judaism requires the finding of G-d by the non-Jew among other pursuits.

 

[Lisa558]

And the word no one can say here is rooted in the word for black, but it's meat to show contempt

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Here’s the thing: Antisemitic gentiles always go on about how Jews use “goy” in speaking about Christians, but in my memory - which goes back 60 years - I never heard any of my relatives or friends use that word. We barely refer to Christians as such in the first place.

 

[Lisa558]

I don't view it with contempt though some have tried to force the evolution of the word to make it more slanderous that its literal meanings. It really just means "non-Jewish person" or those of "a foreign nation" per se. It's no different than many words in which over time people use in a derogatory form but it betrays the meaning and usage as found in biblical text. I refer to the biblical text and historic writing in such instances.

Even in the book of Genesis it is referred: In 12:2 "descendants will form a goy gadal which means great nation. Judaism requires the finding of G-d by the non-Jew among other pursuits.

On Passover, we sing to Gd to bring peace to Kol Goyim - all nations.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Here’s the thing: Antisemitic gentiles always go on about how Jews use “goy” in speaking about Christians, but in my memory - which goes back 60 years - I never heard any of my relatives or friends use that word. We barely refer to Christians as such in the first place.

Like I said, I don't care, but I was speaking to the gentile Canadian who heard the word and uses it.
Debate this all you want, but us "goy" consider it an derogatory term. We hear it as a term of CONTEMPT or distain

BTW, I consider myself an Israelite of the Tribe of Joseph