Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[rosends]

Its not. It couldn't be more clear. Its the only way that reveals wisdom worthy of a benevolent God

it is. It couldn't be more clear. It is the only way that reveals wisdom worthy of a benevolent God.

ALL THE PIECES FIT PERFECTLY.

reading it literally does, yes.

What then? How is it that you do not know the ONLY right course to take?

How is it that you think that the course you like is the only right course to take?

Where is your faith?

Held solidly in God and Judaism.

 

[hobelim]

I don't recall saying anything like that.

Let me put it this way.

If there is power in repentance to forgive sin by not sinning what is the purpose for killing a farm animal in a temple by a priest with a knife for any reason other than corruption, theatrics, so that the religious elite can lead smooth easy lives off the backs of the gullible laity by fleecing them daily?

You must have absolutely no belief in God. Didn't you hear he could get a little testy with actors?

 

[Meriweather]

If there had been an electric chair in those times, would we wear jewelry in the form of the chair?

Probably handcuffs

 

[kjw47]

Who said Gd is irrelevant? I said the gospels are irrelevant for dedicated Jews.

Yes they reject the one God sent= The Messiah, thus are standing in opposition to Gods will.

 

[Lisa558]

Yes they reject the one God sent= The Messiah, thus are standing in opposition to Gods will.

That’s what YOU believe. Others follow a different religion. Stop being rude and arrogant as to suppose your way is the only right way.

 

[rosends]

If there is power in repentance to forgive sin by not sinning

who said that this is the case?

what is the purpose for killing a farm animal in a temple by a priest with a knife for any reason other than corruption

you mean besides that we are commanded to by God? Maybe because for certain sins, a necessary component along with making recompense and repenting, one must actively feel loss by losing some of his own (sacrificing it, as it were). Maybe a necessary part is his accepting certain responsibility for providing for the publis welfare as a show of contrition so he sacrifices food that those in judicial authority can eat.

, theatrics, so that the religious elite can lead smooth easy lives off the backs of the gullible laity by fleecing them daily?

that is certainly your opinion.

You must have absolutely no belief in God. Didn't you hear he could get a little testy with actors?

You have denied God's law. That's your choice. I'll stick with the laws.

 

[BreezeWood]

That’s what YOU believe. Others follow a different religion. Stop being rude and arrogant as to suppose your way is the only right way.

rude and arrogant is synonymous for all the desert dwellers.

true of all three desert religions and the one making the claim no different than any of the others ...

were there truth to any of their claims of heavenly personification for their particular bible who would be able to doubt them - and that none exist escapes all three is surly the reasons for their behavior.

 

[hobelim]

who said that this is the case?

I just did. Not to mention scripture and logic. If sin is disobedience to the Law then the only way to rise from the death consequent to sin is to stop sinning. Simple. Its not rocket science dude.

Killing every farm animal on earth won't help you at all if you keep doing what is sin in Gods eyes like killing farm animals as if that removes the guilt of your own sins and then blaming God. You must've forgotten that you are claiming the name of the only living God, and you're an amoeba.

If I can see through you don't you realize that God knows you are full of it? You're playing with fire
Jeez! The audacity! And here you are trying to pretend that I haven't revealed the truth. Brilliant!

Pssst! If you can't fool me with your "it says animals so it must be animals." what makes you think that you can fool God who gave the law as a light to the nations, not just you, and not as a menu?

DUH!

Have you ever read the book? Its very fascinating, even better if you understand what is written.

 

[buttercup]

Meat eating must be a special problem to you, that you judge others so harshly as if to say 'those who eat meat have total disregard for God and do whatever the hell they want.'

World=age of man.

Thats not what Strong's concordance says. But even that was true, it doesn't matter, you're still butchering that verse. It wasn't your use of the word "age" that was butchering it...it was your takeaway, or application of it, by acting as if just because this world is different than God's Kingdom, that means we don't have to care about God's perfect will, we should just throw our hands up in the air and say "God's Kingdom is not here yet, so I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want."

What I was saying - which you did not even acknowledge, at all - was that your takeaway is completely wrong because Jesus taught the exact opposite!

That's what you're not acknowledging at all, let alone actually addressing. And btw, don't play the victim now. This conversation did not start out of the blue. It started with your statement "I like hunting" and a photo of you with a big smile on your face standing next to a deer you killed. I truly wanted to know why you like killing. Also, I wanted you to know that the few hunters mentioned in the bible were all bad examples.

So contrary to how you're now portraying this, it wasn't simply about meat-eating. It was about taking joy in killing. THAT was what started this, because - again - you're not going to like the New Earth, where the wolf will dwell with the lamb, and "none shall harm or destroy" which IS God's perfect will and IS coming.

 

[rosends]

I just did.

ah, so you made up something and then asked about it.

Not to mention scripture and logic. If sin is disobedience to the Law then the only way to rise from the death consequent to sin is to stop sinning.

Stopping sinning won't change a death penalty. Try again.

Killing every farm animal on earth won't help you at all if you keep doing what is sin in Gods eyes like killing farm animals as if that removes the guilt of your own sins and then blaming God. You must've forgotten that you are claiming the name of the only living God, and you're an amoeba.

see? You are arguing a point which isn't true.

If I can see through you don't you realize that God knows you are full of it? You're playing with fire
Jeez! The audacity! And here you are trying to pretend that I haven't revealed the truth. Brilliant!

you haven't shown you can see through anything. You have admitted to making up interpretations so this is all irrelevant to anyone else. You are having a lot of trouble seeing that your personal inventions don't bind anyone else.

Pssst! If you can't fool me with your "it says animals so it must be animals."

Yeah, I can see how you would be fooled by that. It requires actually reading and considering the text instead of substituting your agenda.

what makes you think that you can fool God who gave the law as a light to the nations, not just you, and not as a menu?

What does that even mean? Why do you think the law was a light unto anyone? The text doesn't say that. Oh...more of your made up stuff.

 

[hobelim]

ah, so you made up something and then asked about it.

No. It is rooted in scripture. The only way to escape the guilt for your own sin and the penalty, death, is to stop sinning which is the meaning of repentance and does indeed have the power to forgive which lies in your own hands. Killing farm animals just make food. You're making things up

 

[Woodznutz]

Thats not what Strong's concordance says. But even that was true, it doesn't matter, you're still butchering that verse. It wasn't your use of the word "age" that was butchering it...it was your takeaway, or application of it, by acting as if just because this world is different than God's Kingdom, that means we don't have to care about God's perfect will, we should just throw our hands up in the air and say "God's Kingdom is not here yet, so I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want."

What I was saying - which you did not even acknowledge, at all - was that your takeaway is completely wrong because Jesus taught the exact opposite!

That's what you're not acknowledging at all, let alone actually addressing. And btw, don't play the victim now. This conversation did not start out of the blue. It started with your statement "I like hunting" and a photo of you with a big smile on your face standing next to a deer you killed. I truly wanted to know why you like killing. Also, I wanted you to know that the few hunters mentioned in the bible were all bad examples.

So contrary to how you're now portraying this, it wasn't simply about meat-eating. It was about taking joy in killing. THAT was what started this, because - again - you're not going to like the New Earth, where the wolf will dwell with the lamb, and "none shall harm or destroy" which IS God's perfect will and IS coming.

Of course, it's coming and I look forward it, but in the meantime Christians are welcome to enjoy the wealth of the earth, including eating meats. I'm ok with those of you who abstain, that's your choice, but don't beat others over the head with your choice.

 

[hobelim]

Stopping sinning won't change a death penalty.

How do you think those judge worthy of the resurrection will rise from the dead if not by doing what is right and not sinning, setting aside divine instruction, effectively turning from death to life

 

[hobelim]

What does that even mean? Why do you think the law was a light unto anyone? The text doesn't say that. Oh...more of your made up stuff.

Yeah, I made this up too! According to you, I made up the entire bible! Pretty amazing! Isn't it!

"The Law of the Lord is a lamp, and its teachings shine brightly. Correction and self-control will lead you through life." (not killing farm animals, dicking around over what to eat and what to wear)

 

[buttercup]

Of course, it's coming and I look forward it, but in the meantime Christians are welcome to enjoy the wealth of the earth, including eating meats. I'm ok with those of you who abstain, that's your choice, but don't beat others over the head with your choice.

I get that, I really do. I guess all of this depends on what one (as a Christian) prioritizes... Our own desires, or doing what God actually wants from us... which is mercy, kindness, consideration of others and not just ourselves, peace and non-violence, selfless love. When you think about the fruit of the Spirit... none of them are compatible with needless killing. Just sayin.

 

[ding]

I doubt that guy is Jewish. I don’t even know what he means by worshipping a matzah.

He's disrespectfully talking about the Eucharist. It's his way of mocking my faith.

 

[ding]

I believe (though I speak with no authority) that it is called a wafer.

The formal name is the Eucharist; bread and wine are transformed into the body and blood of Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit. It's the focus of our mass. I'm not asking others to accept it. Just respect the right for my beliefs and treat them no differently than you would expect your right for your their beliefs to be treated. It's not too much to ask.

 

[hobelim]

He's disrespectfully talking about the Eucharist.

What exactly is the eucharist if not a matzah? Unleavened bread?

It's his way of mocking my faith.

pish posh.

Whats not to mock?

You religiously set aside the Law of God that forbids bowing down to and worshipping anything made by human hands under penalty of death and turn to a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you bow down to and worship and eat for spiritual life.

Now that is seriously funny.

But stupid.

 

[Lisa558]

He's disrespectfully talking about the Eucharist. It's his way of mocking my faith.

Yes, Merriweather explained what is was.

 

[ding]

According to Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and anyone who read the book whatever they believe.

Your Church teaches that idolatry, the worship of the lifeless work of human hands which can neither see, hear, speak, or walk is not the Body of Christ, or God, is a mortal sin under penalty of death, descent into hades the realm of the dead and permanent destruction, if you do not repent

If you don't believe me ask the priest who claimed that you will live forever as long as you defy the law of God and desecrate the teachings of Jesus as if it could be handed out like a cheap snack.

You have told me this a thousand times. I got it after the first time. So you repeatedly saying this a thousand times must be about something else. It's not a good look for you.