Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[Woodznutz]

because, strictly speaking, he does not have to use a Chalaf. Just study the laws of slaughter in the talmud -- one can slaughter with a variety of things, as long as they conform to certain requirements. We use a knife nowadays exclusively. You asked for a chapter and verse because you don't know how Jewish law works, so I gave it to you. Your lack of knowledge doesn't change things.

The scripture you cited doesn't support your assertion. Read the whole discourse. You can have your traditions but don't pretend they are based on scripture.

"all Israel" is the Jews.

Biggest piece of arrogance in Judaism and ignorance in Christianity.

I guess no one likes Black Pudding, or any of these dishes

I said "rarely" not never. Go to any supermarket and see how many 'blood' products you can find. How many Jews eat black pudding?

 

[kjw47]

For Christians - not for anyone else.

All who love God do Matt 23:39

 

[rosends]

The scripture you cited doesn't support your assertion. Read the whole discourse. You can have your traditions but don't pretend they are based on scripture.

sure they are. The text explicitly says that God taught us the rules of slaughtering. Why would you say otherwise?

Biggest piece of arrogance in Judaism and ignorance in Christianity.

that you are ignorant?

I said "rarely" not never. Go to any supermarket and see how many 'blood' products you can find. How many Jews eat black pudding?

I haven't met all Jews so i don't know who eats what. Blood is an element in many dishes. Additionally, the obligation to get rid of the blood (bury it, actually) is beyond a steaming cup of blood to drink. It is about blood in the meat that has to be removed as well (by one of a couple of different means).

 

[Woodznutz]

sure they are. The text explicitly says that God taught us the rules of slaughtering. Why would you say otherwise?

There were no specific rules in the verses you provided.

that you are ignorant?

There were 12 tribes in Israel, not one. And there are descendants of all 12 tribes still today.

I haven't met all Jews so i don't know who eats what. Blood is an element in many dishes. Additionally, the obligation to get rid of the blood (bury it, actually) is beyond a steaming cup of blood to drink. It is about blood in the meat that has to be removed as well (by one of a couple of different means).

Of course.

 

[hobelim]

I’m confused, though. I thought he was Jewish. No Jew would say that Jews had “Jesus in their heart” unless they were Jews-for-Jesus or something.

Let me clear it up.

Jesus taught obedience to the Law. Mat 5:17-20. That being said , obedience to the Laws of God demands the rejection of the Antichrist,, a trinity that diddled a virgin to become a mangod. A false, substitute, counterfeit, sugar coated, austere Jesus conjured by Rome (but never actually existed) with all the attending signs and miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally

Every single person, Jew, gentile, pagan, witch, unbeliever, rich, poor, gay, straight, transvestite, trans, etc., whoever was persecuted or murdered for not having the faith to pretend to believe in this Roman edible mangod bullshit has received the reward of the righteous ever since 325 ce.

Just like Jesus rejected emperor worship, the irrational belief that a human being could be a god. Thats what I meant, "had Jesus in their hearts", not the edible mangod, the froward 1st century Jewish man who wouldn't bow down to bullshit even under threats of real and imaginary violence

Jews-for-Jesus or whatever you call it are numbskulls pretending, on the wrong side of the Law.

 

[hobelim]

Hobelim is intentionally vague.

Vague my ass. You are an idolator. Your church teaches that defying the first command is the way to eternal life. THIS IS A LIE. Scripture teaches that your vile and degrading practice of defiance celebrating the death of Jesus as a mangod and eating him in the form of a matzo for spiritual life results in death, hades, and unless you repent, permanent destruction. Its in the Bible so I believe

He's playing games.

This is not a game. You died in the very day you first got down on your knees, decades ago, in the deranged adoration of a matzo made by human hands that you eat for spiritual life (derp) where you remain separated from God, tormented day and night by "demons" and actual reality which contradicts your delusional "beliefs" like a raging consuming fire that will never ever go out.

That right there is the truth. It couldn't be more clear unless you are having a mental malfunction, so if there remains something vague about what I said, just say so and I'll be happy to say it again.




Affectionately yours,

Secular Jesus

 

[hobelim]

Just study the laws of slaughter in the talmud -- one can slaughter with a variety of things, as long as they conform to certain requirements. We use a knife nowadays exclusively. Y

Have you ever considered the possibility that the laws of ritual slaughter have nothing all to do with killing farm animals? derp. That there ARE deeper implications that have direct references to human archetypes who by their displayed behaviors resemble lower beasts? Not to mention the fact that "the Sanctuary of God", just like Divine providence, cannot be made by human hands?

You might want to take some time out of your busy day dicking around with ding to RUMINATE.

Seriously, if conforming to the laws demands according to the talmud, what Jesus called the traditions of men was the right way to comply how do you explain the fact that ever since Jesus said that Jewish history follows perfectly the maledictions Moses promised for noncompliance?

 

[rosends]

There were no specific rules in the verses you provided.

and yet God says he specifically commanded methods. Makes you wonder.

There were 12 tribes in Israel, not one. And there are descendants of all 12 tribes still today.

So? What point are you making? The commandments were given to the children of Israel, the same group that are called "Jews" today.

 

[rosends]

Have you ever considered the possibility that the laws of ritual slaughter have nothing all to do with killing farm animals?

nope. Why?

That there ARE deeper implications that have direct references to human archetypes who by their displayed behaviors resemble lower beasts?

that's fanciful. Oh, and irrelevant.

Not to mention the fact that the Sanctuary of God, just like Divine providence, cannot be made by human hands?

so no one built the temple. Got it.

Seriously, if conforming to the laws demands according to the talmud, what Jesus called "the traditions of men", was the right way to comply how do you explain the fact that ever since Jesus said that Jewish history follows the specific maledictions promised by Moses for noncompliance?

there are a few answers, not the least of which is that not enough Jews ARE following the laws. That's the whole problem. Another answer is that the punishments were for a variety of other sins as well. If you want to dismiss what Jesus said to follow, feel free, but he endorsed the talmudic teachings (heck, he copied some).

 

[Woodznutz]

So? What point are you making? The commandments were given to the children of Israel, the same group that are called "Jews" today.

You Jews have a bad habit of retroactively calling all Israelites Jews, even back to Abraham.

There is no specific instruction regard the killing of animals for food, only to abstain from consuming the blood. The specific instructions are for animals that are killed as a sacrifice or offering.

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus said to follow, feel free, but he endorsed the talmudic teachings (heck, he copied some).

More accurately, he proclaimed them.

 

[Lisa558]

You Jews have a bad habit of retroactively calling all Israelites Jews, even back to Abraham.

There is no specific instruction regard the killing of animals for food, only to abstain from consuming the blood. The specific instructions are for animals that are killed as a sacrifice or offering.

It’s in the Oral Torah.

 

[Woodznutz]

More accurately, he proclaimed them.

He condensed them and fulfilled them.

 

[Woodznutz]

It’s in the Oral Torah.

I thought as much.

 

[Woodznutz]

It’s in the Oral Torah.

You do know that the Oral Torah has been (ironically) written down. Not ironically written but it is ironic that the 'oral' Torah is now Jewish written literature.

 

[Woodznutz]

It’s in the Oral Torah.

Yes, you can read about it in the 'Oral' Torah. LOL.

 

[hobelim]

You do know that the Oral Torah has been (ironically) written down.

And the Jerusalem talmud was redacted under the watchful eyes of the Roman overlords in 350

 

[rosends]

You Jews have a bad habit of retroactively calling all Israelites Jews, even back to Abraham.

We do? Gosh -- I'll get the group together and tell them that you disapprove. I mean, if we ALL do it, and you don't like it, well then, we must be wrong. The word "Jew" developed from the Kingdom of Judah which had (primarily) the tribes of Benjamin and Judah and Levi, but also had members of other tribes. The identity of those in the kingdom was defined by their religion. That religion is the one God have the children of Israel, putting the children of Israel and the later members of the kingdom of Judah on the same footing in terms of religious label. We say that explorers visited the "Americas" even before the place was called "the Americas".

There is no specific instruction regard the killing of animals for food, only to abstain from consuming the blood. The specific instructions are for animals that are killed as a sacrifice or offering.

no, the laws are for eating meat that ISN'T a sacrifice, and the text says that laws for how to slaughter were given.

"If the place where יהוה has chosen to establish the divine name is too far from you, you may slaughter any of the cattle or sheep that יהוה gives you, as I have instructed you; and you may eat to your heart’s content in your settlements."

 

[rosends]

You do know that the Oral Torah has been (ironically) written down. Not ironically written but it is ironic that the 'oral' Torah is now Jewish written literature.

you do know that you are using the word "ironically" inaccurately. The material was written down because of a fear of loss. But because it was given and transmitted orally until that point, it has the title of "Oral Law".

Here are some other unwritten rules written down

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[Woodznutz]

no, the laws are for eating meat that ISN'T a sacrifice, and the text says that laws for how to slaughter were given.

"If the place where יהוה has chosen to establish the divine name is too far from you, you may slaughter any of the cattle or sheep that יהוה gives you, as I have instructed you; and you may eat to your heart’s content in your settlements."

What are those laws? Chapter and verse please.