Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[zaangalewa]

yeah? so? the language is still used by Copts, Chaldeans and Maronites---but in reality in various forms. The aramaic used (still used) by jews is a kind
of Hebraized form----just as Yiddish is an hebraized form of German. Iranian jews have told me that there is an HEBRAIZED form of Farsi----AND there is even an Hebraized form of arabic. Try to cope

What do you like to say? All Jews had been by the way since the early third - or ¿fourth? - century Romans. And
indeed spoke the Jews standard German in Germany - and Yiddish (More a kind of German dialect with lots of Slawic words) outside of Germany in the 19th and 20th century. Jews in generell had been Germans like all others before Hitler came. The German culture and the Jewish culture had a tight connection over long hundreds of years. And this even in the Sephardic world because "Andalusia" in Spain for example means "Vandalusia" = "Land of the Vandals". The Vandals had been a Germanic tribe and Andalusia was very tolerant in all forms of religion - what was typical for the Vandals who had been anything else than "Vandals". Even when they conquered Rome someone had only to flee into a temple or a church and was safe. Vandals never attacked houses of god from whatever religion.

 

[Meriweather]

Isaiah knew:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It also should be remembered Isaiah was speaking of his own time. He was speaking of his grandson, the son of Isaiah's daughter and King Ahaz. That baby was named Hezekiah, who also became king.

 

[irosie91]

One more brainless idiot.

??? I am not the person who claims "JESUS became anti-semitic" PS--
why is it stupid to state that aramaic was the lingua Franka of the jews of
Judea? (during the time of Jesus) ? claim it was GREEK---is stupid

 

[hadit]

It also should be remembered Isaiah was speaking of his own time. He was speaking of his grandson, the son of Isaiah's daughter and King Ahaz. That baby was named Hezekiah, who also became king.

What then did Isaiah mean when he said,

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

He knew Hezekiah would not live forever.

 

[irosie91]

What then did Isaiah mean when he said,

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

He knew Hezekiah would not live forever.

silly!!! SO? it is a kind of hebrew formal writing---there is no end to
the phrase---in hebrew approx "L'olam vaed". Just a few hundred
years ago, formal letters ended not with "love and kisses"----they
wrote "your servant" ---try getting him to do the dishes

 

[Woodznutz]

I have not any idea how you know that Saul/Paul was a Benjamite and what this could mean. And he was not only a Jew (the people of the tribe Benjamin are also Jews - Comparable perhaps with the Bohemians who once had been a German tribe before they had been displaced from the allies of Word War II so they do now not exist now any longer.)

Again: Paulus was educated Jewish and was educated Greek and he had been a Jew and a Roman.

What is the concrete reason why you try to correct this statement?

Paul's own words in Romans 11:1

"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."

The context is the salvation of all (the tribes) of Israel.

 

[Woodznutz]

silly!!! SO? it is a kind of hebrew formal writing---there is no end to
the phrase---in hebrew approx "L'olam vaed". Just a few hundred
years ago, formal letters ended not with "love and kisses"----they
wrote "your servant" ---try getting him to do the dishes

Jews will explain away any reference to Christ in the Old Testament.
We got your number.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why? Every translation that is based upon the context, subject matter and content is easily understood in American English. If there is one or two words that might be placed by scribe error.......its a most easy thing to allow the rest of the text within that paragraph and chapter self interpret that misplaced or misspelling of any single word. The truth comes out in the surrounding text. Sure there are few errors of transcription in the Holy Bible........why? Because these scriptures were transferred by hand on antiquated paper often by candlelight. These are human errors not inspired contradictory errors. All the major LITERAL TRANSLATIONS have went through the scientific process of comparative contextual analysis. The translations that can't be trusted are the paraphrased translations such as the Living Bible.....etc, they are based upon OPINION not contextual comparison.

With all the recorded history and the science of archeaology and with today's technological advances I would declare the modern translations are more accurate and loyal to the original Hebrew than the text translated by Rabbis in the early centuries.........who were continually updating the Koine Greek text.

I rely on the KJV because of the Concordance. The translators knew what they were doing when they mistranslated some words, but we can sort them out using the concordance/dictionary. My favorite is the translation of Passover into Easter (most modern translations correct this error) although recently I have discovered that certain Hebrew words were deliberately mistranslated to support the idea of a literal snake in the garden. Assigning the masculine gender to the Holy Spirit is also an error.

 

[Woodznutz]

DO NOT CONFUSE TRUTH WITH HATE.

Good advice for blacks.

 

[Road Runner]

Anyway, the followers of Jesus (who became known as Christians) blasphemed God in Jesus's name. But is Jesus to blame for that or not?

I don't know if that question was supposed to be rhetorical or not but I honestly don't know the answer.

 

[Meriweather]

What then did Isaiah mean when he said,

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

He knew Hezekiah would not live forever.

Isaiah and all of Israel was expecting the Messiah to be a descendant of David, and establish the nation of Israel that would rule the world forever. The Messiah expected by Jews was not a spiritual king but a physical king who would rule the world, and this reign would last forever.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... Anyway, the followers of Jesus (who became known as Christians) blasphemed God in Jesus's name. But is Jesus to blame for that or not?

I don't know if that question was supposed to be rhetorical or not but I honestly don't know the answer.

Well, let's see now. It's a difficult subject for sure. We need to know the answers to a couple of questions:

1). Did Jesus himself claim he was God's son? Please don't confuse it by saying we are all God's children therefore ..... bla-bla-bla. You know, the father, the son, the holy ghost and all of that stuff. The Trinity. If Jesus said that himself then he was a very bad Jew and a blasphemer.

2). Did Jesus himself claim he was the Messiah? If he did say that then he and his followers were blasphemers because he did not fulfil the Judaic prophesies.

3). The easy question. Who defines the Messiah - the Jews or the Christians? The Jews of course. So who gets to decide if Jesus was the Messiah or not? Duh!

 

[Woodznutz]

1). Did Jesus himself claim he was God's son? Please don't confuse it by saying we are all God's children therefore ..... bla-bla-bla. You know, the father, the son, the holy ghost and all of that stuff. The Trinity. If Jesus said that himself then he was a very bad Jew and a blasphemer.

In so many words, yes.

2). Did Jesus himself claim he was the Messiah? If he did say that then he and his followers were blasphemers because he did not fulfil the Judaic prophesies.

In so many words, yes.

3). The easy question. Who defines the Messiah - the Jews or the Christians? The Jews of course. So who gets to decide if Jesus was the Messiah or not? Duh!

Christians of course (Duh).

 

[onefour1]

Well, let's see now. It's a difficult subject for sure. We need to know the answers to a couple of questions:

1). Did Jesus himself claim he was God's son? Please don't confuse it by saying we are all God's children therefore ..... bla-bla-bla. You know, the father, the son, the holy ghost and all of that stuff. The Trinity. If Jesus said that himself then he was a very bad Jew and a blasphemer.

John 10:32-36
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

2). Did Jesus himself claim he was the Messiah? If he did say that then he and his followers were blasphemers because he did not fulfil the Judaic prophesies.

John 4:25-26
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

3). The easy question. Who defines the Messiah - the Jews or the Christians? The Jews of course. So who gets to decide if Jesus was the Messiah or not? Duh!

God defines who the messiah is.

Matthew 3:16-17
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[GLASNOST]

Well, let's see now. It's a difficult subject for sure. We need to know the answers to a couple of questions:

1). Did Jesus himself claim he was God's son? Please don't confuse it by saying we are all God's children therefore ..... bla-bla-bla. You know, the father, the son, the holy ghost and all of that stuff. The Trinity. If Jesus said that himself then he was a very bad Jew and a blasphemer.

2). Did Jesus himself claim he was the Messiah? If he did say that then he and his followers were blasphemers because he did not fulfil the Judaic prophesies.

3). The easy question. Who defines the Messiah - the Jews or the Christians? The Jews of course. So who gets to decide if Jesus was the Messiah or not? Duh!

John 10:32-36
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 4:25-26
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

God defines who the messiah is.

GLASNOST 1:01-01- Page one, Paragraph 1, Line 1, "Tell it to the lambs there byeth they be led blindly to the slaughter"

 

[Woodznutz]

GLASNOST 1:01-01- Page one, Paragraph 1, Line 1, "Tell it to the lambs there byeth they be led blindly to the slaughter"

You guys are slaughtered four years before we are.

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[irosie91]

Jews will explain away any reference to Christ in the Old Testament.
We got your number.

where do you see an "explain away"----hubby used to get letters from
a very old man. The man was born in the same country in which hubby
was born decades later---a community of jews there never gave up the
quaint old forms.
I really enjoyed the superannuated PHRASEOLOGY. He died age past 90.
EDUCATIONAL

 

[Woodznutz]

where do you see an "explain away"----hubby used to get letters from
a very old man. The man was born in the same country in which hubby
was born decades later---a community of jews there never gave up the
quaint old forms.
I really enjoyed the superannuated PHRASEOLOGY. He died age past 90.
EDUCATIONAL

?

 

[Woodznutz]

where do you see an "explain away"----hubby used to get letters from
a very old man. The man was born in the same country in which hubby
was born decades later---a community of jews there never gave up the
quaint old forms.
I really enjoyed the superannuated PHRASEOLOGY. He died age past 90.
EDUCATIONAL

I get a prize for not understanding this senseless rambling?

 

[BreezeWood]

jesus was not or ever a jew ...

judaism's false commandments, hereditary idolatry is in the conclusion the barrier jesus was not able for the jews to overcome to free themselves from their religion of servitude and denial.

Because he was illegitimate?

'illegitimate' ? silly libel Illegitimate in jewish law is the child of
a MARRIED woman, or even a betrothed woman who diddles around
with the neighborhood boys.

jesus was never a jew, madeup by the jews themselves to persecute him as well the 4th century crucifiers that purposely made jesus their representative than their true role during the 1st century events - liberation theology, self determination.

those events w/ jesus are the repudiation of judaism particularly their false commandments / laws that are not heavenly personifications as judaism, moses claim.