Zone1 If Homosexuality Is A Sin, Then Where Does It Come From?

[iamwhatiseem]

Or as Jesus noted, by birth. Why ask for the scripture if you are just going to ignore it?

No - what you mean is why ask for scripture if I don't agree with your interpretation.

You used that verse to validate homosexuality.
But the verse has absolutely nothing to do with validating homosexuality.
The entire premise of what Jesus and the listeners were talking about was divorce.
They were saying that it must be better to never marry to avoid the risks of going to hell for infidelity or divorcing, if there is no recourse for a bad marriage.
Jesus, and I think personally that there must be something missing, because it doesn't naturally follow their point - he answered to them that it doesn't apply to everyone, because not everyone can marry, like a eunuch whether forced to be that way, or is born a eunuch. (physically unable to perform sex, or lacks desire for women) that to them - the argument doesn't apply about divorce.

If anything, this could be interpreted that Jesus recognizes that some people have sexual attractions that prevent marriage - which, yeah, would be homosexuals. But he is talking about divorce.
It is another leap to then to add more into that by saying - "well then Jesus is saying that gay people can go to heaven while engaging in homosexuality" - that is a heckuva leap there.

 

[pknopp]

No - what you mean is why ask for scripture if I don't agree with your interpretation.

You used that verse to validate homosexuality.
But the verse has absolutely nothing to do with validating homosexuality.
The entire premise of what Jesus and the listeners were talking about was divorce.
They were saying that it must be better to never marry to avoid the risks of going to hell for infidelity or divorcing, if there is no recourse for a bad marriage.
Jesus, and I think personally that there must be something missing, because it doesn't naturally follow their point - he answered to them that it doesn't apply to everyone, because not everyone can marry, like a eunuch whether forced to be that way, or is born a eunuch. (physically unable to perform sex, or lacks desire for women) that to them - the argument doesn't apply about divorce.

If anything, this could be interpreted that Jesus recognizes that some people have sexual attractions that prevent marriage - which, yeah, would be homosexuals. But he is talking about divorce.
It is another leap to then to add more into that by saying - "well then Jesus is saying that gay people can go to heaven while engaging in homosexuality" - that is a heckuva leap there.

Not all people are born the same despite the claims by many.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Not all people are born the same despite the claims by many.

I have never believed that homosexuality is always a choice.
It is both.
Some are born that way, others choose it through environmental experiences or choices.
I guess you are saying that how can God condemn what he has made?
Welcome to the many mysteries that is religion.

 

[pknopp]

I have never believed that homosexuality is always a choice.
It is both.
Some are born that way, others choose it through environmental experiences or choices.
I guess you are saying that how can God condemn what he has made?
Welcome to the many mysteries that is religion.

I'm not going to condemn people for how they were created because I do not have all the answers.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I guess you are saying that how can God condemn what he has made?
Welcome to the many mysteries that is religion

Because we all have our crosses to bear if you're a serious Christian. Might be drugs, might be porn, might be overeating, might be homosexuality.

 

[pknopp]

Because we all have our crosses to bear if you're a serious Christian. Might be drugs, might be porn, might be overeating, might be homosexuality.

A.A. Allen was able to lead thousands to Christ despite the fact he couldn't overcome his alcoholism.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Then why debate the issues of something you don't believe in

Your Point Is, "There's the Door. Get Out of Here!"

Disgust with Gayist behavior did not originate in religion. Those who think that a primitive book of fables has answers to everything are pushing that predatory assumption into the public debate.

Fairyphiles are also preaching that the opposition is all about theocratic tyranny. But the common sense of the common people rejects this dangerous mental sickness naturally.

 

[Blaster]

This thread is gay.

 

[pknopp]

This thread is gay.

Thanks for participating.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Paul also said it was best for a Christian to not marry.

Frigid Fascist Friars

There is a conflict between religious leaders and their flocks' sexuality, going back to the Temptation of Eve. But Gayism is not a sexuality, so it is not an option to bring us freedom from theocratic tyranny.

 

[Zebra]

Paul also said it was best for a Christian to not marry.

not nice of Paul to say so

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If one is born that way, how is it you can refuse how you were born?



Seems to me no one cares about that any longer.

We're all born into sin. All of us have to repent.

 

[onefour1]

Yes but Jesus isn't in the OT specifically.

So untrue.

 

[onefour1]

I just explained it to

Jesus of the NT and the OT Messiah are the same enity

Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, even Jehovah, The Great I AM. It was he who personally gave the law.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We're all born into sin. All of us have to repent.

Simony says so

 

[forkintheroad7]

I used to think that people could just choose to be gay, so I was shaking my head about why gay Christians exist. However, I recently had my mind changed and learned that people can be devout Christians and still be gay and just not act upon it so my question is why are people born gay if it's a sin? Where does homosexuality come from if God creates everybody?

No one is born to be a sinner--except that all of us are that.

But that is not God's will.

This is one reason Jesus said that FEW (the saints say VERY few) make it to Heaven, namely:

We don't always (or often ) CARE what God's will is...

People had best get over THAT one or they will end up in Hell. They say Jesus spoke more on Hell than on Heaven... which makes sense because He was sent to warn us -and suffer and die so as to save us from the rot that is sin

 

[forkintheroad7]

Yes but Jesus isn't in the OT specifically.

The name Jesus is in the Old Testament

He was a holy priest

 

[forkintheroad7]

If one is born that way, how is it you can refuse how you were born?



Seems to me no one cares about that any longer.

No one is born perverted. No one is born "gay" (same thing)

It's a lie from the Father of Lies

also known as a Murderer

 

[Frankenstein]

A sin for you isnt a sin for another. You contradicted yourself. You are judging. It isnt your place to judge

sin is sin, I do not judge, but I can call out sin, when discussing what the Bible calls sin

 

[Frankenstein]

What's that have to do with anything?

In other words it's an act of dominance, not an actual act of being attracted to the same sex. I had a female lab that tried to hump a stuffed wolf when the audio of the wolf howled