Perhaps that would be because it is a point none of your links actually made.
I never thought you were attempting to show any such thing. Aside from the personal attacks, you claimed that I had no evidence that humans were responsible for the recently observed warming or that the warming represented a threat to our well being.
Without plowing through the whole thread, I believe I only concluded that you had no evidence after asking you several times to produce such evidence. What little you presented was post hoc ergo propter hoc, with no causal link shown.
There are a number of predictions regarding climate that existing science CAN make with some accuracy one of which would be that climate will not change, did conditions actually support such a prediction.
I can’t imagine conditions that would support a prediction that climate will not change. But maybe my imagination is not as great as yours. Can you provide an example?
You showed no such thing and neither did your linked articles. They made claims along those lines but as far as I saw, every single one of those claims was an unsupported conjecture.
Which is the basis of all “climate science.”
I hope you're not going to suggest that that precludes the possibility that any apocalyptic prediction can be valid.
No, in spite of the fact that there have been hundreds, perhaps, thousands, of apocalyptic predictions that never came true, there is still the theoretical possibility that an apocalyptic prediction will come true. In fact, if there ever is an apocalypse, surely any surviving historians will be able to look back and find a prediction that matches the actual event out of the thousands of predictions that have been made.
If I’m not mistaken, that is exactly how Jeanie Dixon became famous as a psychic. Among the thousands of predictions being made by self describe psychics, during the 50s and 60s, she accurately predicted the assassination of John F Kennedy.
I’ll check on the name. I guess there would be two explanations for that accurate prediction. One) Jeannie Dixon had psychic powers or two)If enough predictions are made, eventually, one of them will come true. Which one would you pick in that particular case?
And what relevance do you believe that has wrt the conclusion of mainstream science on human GHG emissions and the greenhouse effect? Do you think the IPCC's conclusions are based on revelatory visions?
No, I do not. And I found an interesting article that posited that the predictions of the Aztec mathematician/astronomers were not actually based on any revelatory vision either, but on something completely different.
Very interesting but I can’t post it on my phone. I’ll get it for you later later this evening.
Again, what relevance does this have to the conclusions of modern climate science? The Aztecs were not employing the scientific method.
Neither are the “climate scientists.” The scientific method requires experimentation.
No experiment that you have described shows that there is evidence that any rise and global , if such a rise exist, is caused by human activity.
Just as an example, studies purporting to show that link, never isolate the variable.
You can prove that human industrial activity has increased in the last two centuries. You can show that on modern instruments compared to much older instruments, higher temperatures are shown. You cannot show any causal link between the two. At least you have not yet, if you can.
In fact, the lack of isolation of the variable is not just one small example. It is probably the key reason why such studies can never show causality.
It would probably be close to impossible to isolate the variable of human activity, particularly human industrial activity, in a study of the climate. But the difficulty of doing so, does not release the person claiming scientific authority from their obligation to do so.
I haven't the faintest idea how smart they might have been. Like you, I consider myself capable of understanding some science and, I suspect, more technical science that that for which you've been trained. Have you had any coursework in physics, chemistry, thermodynamics or heat transfer?
Other than the physics and astronomy courses, I took to get my undergraduate degree, I have not extensively studied those fields. See how easy it is for me to admit to a shortcoming? Have you noticed how difficult it is for you to even say that your mathematical ability does not equal those of the greatest Aztec mathematicians?
My fields are educational, psychology, and special education. For both of these, I have studied a lot of human thought process, particularly human motivation. Not that I need it to understand the motivation of the global warming alarmists. Those should be pretty obvious to even the untrained person.
For my advanced agrees, I study, statistics extensively, so I am fully able to understand the lack of scientific merit behind most “studies” of warming.
In what sense? You have shown nothing of the sort. Poster Mamooth made a point here that forest fires took place for milllions of years before humans appeared. That does NOT indicate that humans cannot be responsible for forest fires today. That the Aztecs made incorrect predictions does not mean that accurate predictions cannot be made today.
No, but it does mean that people can be led to believe in accurate predictions. Especially if those making the predictions use them to maintain their power within a specific social order.
I think you might better spend your time and your expertise looking into research on the rejection of mainstream science without rational cause.
Those would certainly not be hard to find. The popular press enjoy publishing stories, who steam is basically “non-liberals are stoopid! Often, the “studies“ they present are nothing more than opinion pieces disguised as science.
So it is certainly understandable, that a person who reads a lot of popular “journalism“ would believe that anyone who doubts the apocalyptic predictions of the climate scientist, are just not very intelligent.
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