Blinded by the Light

[Donald H]

This is a science discussion. You know even less about science than you do about religion and you don't know anything about religion.

I know what you've come around to telling us about how you've discarded the 'creation' hoax. And a bit more too.

Together we've made the break from sky fairy fantasies!

Let's move on! What do you (we) know about the great flood and Noah's ark?

 

[ding]

I know what you've come around to telling us about how you've discarded the 'creation' hoax. And a bit more too.

Together we've made the break from sky fairy fantasies!

Let's move on! What do you (we) know about the great flood and Noah's ark?

You ran away from the bull ring discussion, pussy.

 

[ding]

If you're back to climate science then you're mostly right. I'm not going to pretend I have Reiny's degree that he earned in his year of study. a B.D.

You really do need to work on your trolling skills, bro. You suck at this.

 

[Foxfyre]

Which set of goalposts are you speaking to? ... because albedo doesn't effect irradiation ...

I disagree with an Earth Scientists about radiative physics? ... what math did they use? ... Earth's albedo is 0.3 with an margin of error of 0.05 ... did the article plug these values into Stefan-Boltzmann ... does the article even mention SB ... no ... it doesn't ...

Your math is wrong ... the Sun is constant ... you're back to Billy-Bob's stupidity that the color green no longer exists ...

Do we need to review what a Blackbody Radiator is? ... or are you going to trust a zicron specialist? ... or someone who's never heard of Wein's Displacement Law? ... remember, crime doesn't pay and neither does botony ...

You say the sun is constant but coronal mass ejections, solar flares, sunspots have not been constant since humankind became aware of them and began studying them. So far as we know they are random and unpredictable. And their effect on Planet Earth is still imperfectly/not fully understood.

We humans are still in the infancy of all scientific knowledge there is to know. But for sure we won't advance our scientific knowledge when politicians are the driving force telling us what we are supposed to believe in matters of science.

 

[Donald H]

You say the sun is constant but coronal mass ejections, solar flares, sunspots have not been constant since humankind became aware of them and began studying them. So far as we know they are random and unpredictable. And their effect on Planet Earth is still imperfectly/not fully understood.

Not true and i don't have to have a degree in denialism to say that the sun is constant, etc. over a period of time that is being ignored by denialists.
Somebody with a degree in climate science, or other credentials, is going to have to fix that for us.

 

[Donald H]

You ran away from the bull ring discussion, pussy.

These charts on this page resemble the progress of the solar cycle. The charts are updated every month by the SWPC with the latest ISES predictions. Observed values are initially temporary values that are replaced with the final data once it is available. All the graphs on this page can be exported as JPG, PNG, PDF or …

That's a quote by experts I trust. I'm not the expert. But I've posted it as an example of self-proclaimed experts being easy to catch in their lies.

 

[Donald H]

You ran away from the bull ring discussion, pussy.

The bullring? If I recall correctly we were going to debate the literal truth in the bible vs. the allegorical bullsh-t.

And now by leaving it lay for a couple of weeks, we've reached agreement through your stating that it's not literally true.

 

[Donald H]

You ran away from the bull ring discussion, pussy.

You're a confirmed denialist my friend. It can't get any more obvious than now you refuse to mention facts that we've come to agree upon.

You're still only two-thirds to the way to truth and enlightenment.

Even Meriweather is at least halfway there! She can't spend time in the religion section depending on faith alone.

 

[ReinyDays]

You say the sun is constant but coronal mass ejections, solar flares, sunspots have not been constant since humankind became aware of them and began studying them. So far as we know they are random and unpredictable. And their effect on Planet Earth is still imperfectly/not fully understood.

We humans are still in the infancy of all scientific knowledge there is to know. But for sure we won't advance our scientific knowledge when politicians are the driving force telling us what we are supposed to believe in matters of science.

I said as measured by surface temperatures, the sun's irradiation is considered constant at 1,360 (± 5) W/m^2 ...

We have satellites in space pointed towards the Sun and we can measure irradiation much more accurately ... IIRC this varies between 1,361.2 and 1,363.5 W/m^2, depending on sunspot activity ... but this change only makes for temperature changes of a couple hundredth's of degrees here on Earth's surface ... we don't measure temperature that closely ...

The thermometers we use in wide distribution only measure to the nearest whole degree Celsius ... so solar irradiation need only be measured to the nearest 10 W/m^2 ... that's what the (± 5) means ... the Solar Constant is between 1,355 and 1,365 W/m^2, that's accurate enough for meteorological and climatological studies ... 1ºC is a tiny amount ... and that's the all of all global warming to date ... a tiny tiny amount ...

Did you notice 2024 was one degree warmer than 1965? ... neither did I ... one degree doesn't change weather, so it's doesn't change weather averages ... or climate ...

Science is public information ... we should study the material ourselves and NOT rely on others to tell us what to believe ... this isn't religion, we don't need a priest ... and never ever trust a politician in anything ... except for being corrupt ...

 

[Donald H]

Science is public information ... we should study the material ourselves and NOT rely on others to tell us what to believe

We should! But we shouldn't believe some denialist asshole when important decisions need to be made.

And don't exclude religion, now since religions are subject to scientific analysis to determine truth from superstitions.

When the doctor tells you have have terminal Cancer, you don't ask some denialist asshole on this forum for a second opinion!

 

[ReinyDays]

We should! But we shouldn't believe some denialist asshole when important decisions need to be made.

And don't exclude religion, now since religions are subject to scientific analysis to determine truth from superstitions.

When the doctor tells you have have terminal Cancer, you don't ask some denialist asshole on this forum for a second opinion!

Thank you for the ad hominum attacks ... in this you fully admit my reasoning is sound and have only my character to discuss ... I'm glad you've seen the light ... may God bless your eternal soul ...

 

[Foxfyre]

Not true and i don't have to have a degree in denialism to say that the sun is constant, etc. over a period of time that is being ignored by denialists.
Somebody with a degree in climate science, or other credentials, is going to have to fix that for us.

Then perhaps you could post your data. I can't find any credible source that says sun activity is a constant.

I've been reading up on this for some time now. NASA reports that they can now read the sun in ways that determine that a sunspot or solar flare will occur thought it is not 100% accurate as yet. They do know that increase and decrease in activity is predicable over an eleven-year cycle, but they do not know exactly when such conditions will develop or what intensity they will be.

The fact that the sun exists and provides warmth to our solar system is indeed a constant. Otherwise what we know of the sun's behavior is not much of a constant.

 

[San Souci]

Leftist democrats avoiding this thread because it destroys their climate change fantasy.

It is why they are ignorant of the topic as they run on ideology and preprogramming, it is why they are deficient in their argumentation and usually behave like a 5 year old.

They WANT the "Sky to Fall". Climate Change is just a lefty scare tactic to divert from their incompetence to Govern.

 

[Donald H]

Then perhaps you could post your data. I can't find any credible source that says sun activity is a constant.

You won't find any climate expert saying that.

You will find them suggesting that sun activity is predictable, as you should have noticed from what I posted.

You've already either started lying, or, you were careless.

I've been reading up on this for some time now. NASA reports that they can now read the sun in ways that determine that a sunspot or solar flare will occur thought it is not 100% accurate as yet.

Which contradicts your (your?) opinion. Or was it Reiny's?

In any case, you self proclaimed climate science assholes, can't be trusted!

 

[Donald H]

The fact that the sun exists and provides warmth to our solar system is indeed a constant. Otherwise what we know of the sun's behavior is not much of a constant.

The sun isn't necessary.
The earth was created before the sun and earth did just fine without it.

 

[ding]

These charts on this page resemble the progress of the solar cycle. The charts are updated every month by the SWPC with the latest ISES predictions. Observed values are initially temporary values that are replaced with the final data once it is available. All the graphs on this page can be exported as JPG, PNG, PDF or …

That's a quote by experts I trust. I'm not the expert. But I've posted it as an example of self-proclaimed experts being easy to catch in their lies.

Now you are trying to change subjects from when you ran away from the Bull Ring like a pussy.

 

[ding]

The bullring? If I recall correctly we were going to debate the literal truth in the bible vs. the allegorical bullsh-t.

And now by leaving it lay for a couple of weeks, we've reached agreement through your stating that it's not literally true.

You ran away like a pussy, bro. Grow a pair, would ya?

 

[ding]

You're a confirmed denialist my friend. It can't get any more obvious than now you refuse to mention facts that we've come to agree upon.

You're still only two-thirds to the way to truth and enlightenment.

Even Meriweather is at least halfway there! She can't spend time in the religion section depending on faith alone.

It's hard to take seriously anything a pussy says, bro. Does your husband debate science?

 

[Foxfyre]

I said as measured by surface temperatures, the sun's irradiation is considered constant at 1,360 (± 5) W/m^2 ...

We have satellites in space pointed towards the Sun and we can measure irradiation much more accurately ... IIRC this varies between 1,361.2 and 1,363.5 W/m^2, depending on sunspot activity ... but this change only makes for temperature changes of a couple hundredth's of degrees here on Earth's surface ... we don't measure temperature that closely ...

The thermometers we use in wide distribution only measure to the nearest whole degree Celsius ... so solar irradiation need only be measured to the nearest 10 W/m^2 ... that's what the (± 5) means ... the Solar Constant is between 1,355 and 1,365 W/m^2, that's accurate enough for meteorological and climatological studies ... 1ºC is a tiny amount ... and that's the all of all global warming to date ... a tiny tiny amount ...

Did you notice 2024 was one degree warmer than 1965? ... neither did I ... one degree doesn't change weather, so it's doesn't change weather averages ... or climate ...

Science is public information ... we should study the material ourselves and NOT rely on others to tell us what to believe ... this isn't religion, we don't need a priest ... and never ever trust a politician in anything ... except for being corrupt ...

Still sunspots on the sun are cooler than the surrounding surface and increase UV rays that emit from the sun and do affect the Earth's climate. Until we fully understand that dynamic, and I believe we are centuries away from being able to fully do so, we cannot say that the sun is a 'constant' or entirely predictable factor in the climate that we experience on Planet Earth.

 

[Foxfyre]

The sun isn't necessary.
The earth was created before the sun and earth did just fine without it.

If it makes you happy to believe that okay. But please assure me you won't be teaching science to any children.