Zone1 If all that one knows, believes, & follows is the "Great Commandment", will they go to Heaven?

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...be in His will.

You mean like trying to correct a faith not your own?

 

[hadit]

Rules are based on standards, dummy.

Yes, and rules can change while the standards don't. Again, words mean things and you attempting to denigrate me shows you in a very bad light.

 

[hadit]

You mean like trying to correct a faith not your own?

Don't Catholics claim to be Christians? If they are, then we share the same faith. Do you think they are different from other Christians?

 

[ding]

Yes, and rules can change while the standards don't. Again, words mean things and you attempting to denigrate me shows you in a very bad light.

That's called normalization of deviance and it eventually leads to predictable surprises.

Yes, I agree, it does show me in a very bad light. It's called free will.

 

[ding]

Don't Catholics claim to be Christians? If they are, then we share the same faith. Do you think they are different from other Christians?

Maybe research the Reformation.

 

[hadit]

Maybe research the Reformation.

I have. Ever read Martyr's Mirror?

 

[ding]

I have. Ever read Martyr's Mirror?

Nope. Ever read "The Socialists Phenomenon?"

 

[BreezeWood]

Today, almost two thousand years later, there are four great sectors of Judaism that still constitute its spiritual anatomy - faith, observance, culture, and nation.

no, their beginning where they worship the liar abraham, their hereditary idolatry there is nothing heavenly about them ever since - tribal zealotry is not religion.

 

[Arlette]

Or do they need something else to be saved from Hell?

Matthew 22:34-40
34 But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Nobody loves their neighbor like themselves. You can't get "saved". Matter of fact, the more you love God the more you hate your neighbors

 

[ding]

no, their beginning where they worship the liar abraham, their hereditary idolatry there is nothing heavenly about them ever since - tribal zealotry is not religion.

That was already addressed here.

 

[ding]

Nobody loves their neighbor like themselves. You can't get "saved". Matter of fact, the more you love God the more you hate your neighbors

Not everyone loves themselves so good.

 

[Lisa558]

Yes, He certainly was, and He came to fulfill the law. He gave us the two most important commandments, and if we follow them, we will end up obeying the spirit of the Law. Do you follow the Mosaic Law, even though the early church did not impose it on believers?

Yes, I am Jewish and practice and follow traditional Judaism.

You realize of course that the concept that Jesus came to “fulfill the Law” is just from the Christian perspective, and Jews do not believe that?

 

[BreezeWood]

That was already addressed here.

being lazy is not an excuse for posting ...

 

[hadit]

Yes, I am Jewish and practice and follow traditional Judaism.

You realize of course that the concept that Jesus came to “fulfill the Law” is just from the Christian perspective, and Jews do not believe that?

Since He Himself said it, if you accept Him, you accept that He did. If you reject Him, you also reject His fulfillment of the Law and still try (and fail) to keep it yourself.

 

[Frankenstein]

Or do they need something else to be saved from Hell?

Matthew 22:34-40
34 But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior is the only “step” to salvation. The message of the Bible is abundantly clear. We have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23). Because of our sin, we deserve to be eternally separated from God (Romans 6:23). Because of His love for us (John 3:16), God took on human form and died in our place, taking the punishment that we deserve (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21). God promises forgiveness of sins and eternal life in heaven to all who receive, by grace through faith, Jesus Christ as Savior (John 1:12; 3:16; 5:24; Acts 16:31).

Salvation is not about certain steps we must follow to earn salvation. Yes, Christians should be baptized. Yes, Christians should publicly confess Christ as Savior. Yes, Christians should turn from sin. Yes, Christians should commit their lives to obeying God. However, these are not steps to salvation. They are results of salvation. Because of our sin, we cannot in any sense earn salvation. We could follow 1000 steps, and it would not be enough. That is why Jesus had to die in our place. We are absolutely incapable of paying our sin debt to God or cleansing ourselves from sin. Only God could accomplish our salvation, and so He did. God Himself completed the “steps” and thereby offers salvation to anyone who will receive it from Him.

Salvation and forgiveness of sins is not about following steps. It is about receiving Christ as Savior and recognizing that He has done all of the work for us. God requires one step of us—receiving Jesus Christ as our Savior from sin and fully trusting in Him alone as the way of salvation. That is what distinguishes the Christian faith from all other world religions, each of which has a list of steps that must be followed in order for salvation to be received. The Christian faith recognizes that God has already completed the steps and simply calls on the repentant to receive Him in faith.

 

[Lisa558]

Since He Himself said it, if you accept Him, you accept that He did. If you reject Him, you also reject His fulfillment of the Law and still try (and fail) to keep it yourself.

Who is this He you are talking about?

 

[hadit]

Who is this He you are talking about?

The cornerstone that you rejected. You know who He is.

 

[Lisa558]

The cornerstone that you rejected. You know who He is.

Don’t be such an arrogant know-it-all. Your religion teaches one thing, and my religion teaches another.

And the only He is know is G-d

 

[ding]

being lazy is not an excuse for posting ...

II.

The Socialism
of the Heresies

During the Middle Ages and the period of the Reformation, doctrines of chiliastic socialism often fomented broad popular movements in Western Europe. Such a situation did not obtain in antiquity, when these ideas were expressed by individual thinkers or within narrow groups. As a result of this evolution, the socialist doctrines, in turn, acquired new and extremely important traits, which they have preserved to this day.

The survey below provides a very general and schematic overview of the development of socialist ideas in this epoch. In order to compensate somewhat for the abstract character of the presentation and to help make more concrete the atmosphere in which these ideas arose, we introduce (in the Appendix following the General Survey) three biographies of eminent representatives of the chiliastic socialism of the period. In the subsequent section, an attempt is made to delineate the ideological framework within which the doctrines of chiliastic socialism developed.

1. General Survey

Beginning with the Middle Ages and the Reformation, doctrines of chiliastic socialism in Western Europe appeared under religious guise. As varied as they were, all these doctrines had in common a characteristic trait--the rejection of numerous aspects of the teachings of the Catholic Church and a fierce hatred for the Church itself. As a result , they developed largely within the framework of the heretical movements. Below we shall review several characteristic Medieval heresies.

 

[hadit]

Don’t be such an arrogant know-it-all. Your religion teaches one thing, and my religion teaches another.

And the only He is know is G-d

What is the name of His son?