"If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

[xsited1]

2 Thessalonians 3:10

Discuss.

 

[Avatar4321]

Evidence that to a Christian, the western concept of government welfare is satanic.

 

[eagleseven]

A good rule to live by.

 

[Modbert]

This is the passage in context:

10For even (T)when we were with you, we used to give you this order: (U)if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.

11For we hear that some among you are (V)leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like (W)busybodies.

12Now such persons we command and (X)exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to (Y)work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.

13But as for you, (Z)brethren, (AA)do not grow weary of doing good.

14If anyone does not obey our instruction (AB)in this letter, take special note of that person (AC)and do not associate with him, so that he will be (AD)put to shame.

15Yet (AE)do not regard him as an enemy, but (AF)admonish him as a (AG)brother.

So much for being considered "Satanic" Avatar.

 

[Modbert]

Evidence that to a Christian, the western concept of government welfare is satanic.

A good rule to live by.

I'm going to take Irony for $200, Alex.

He who does not work, neither shall he eat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He who does not work, neither shall he eat is a Biblical aphorism derived from II Thessalonians 3:10, which became a slogan for new colonies and socialist societies.

According to Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, it is the first principle of socialism. The phrase is mentioned in his 1917 work, State and Revolution (chapter 5, section 3). Through this slogan Lenin explains that in a socialist society only productive individuals would be allowed access to the articles of consumption.

This is not really directed at lazy or unproductive workers[citation needed], but rather the bourgeoisie. Marxist theory holds that the bourgeoisie buy the commodity labor-power of workers and enlists them in the process of production. Profits are then made by the expropriation of surplus value. Accordingly, in a communist society, with the abolition of property and the law of value, there would be no class of individuals that lives off the labor of others. (see Wolf and Resnick, 2002)

In the 1936 Soviet Constitution, Article Twelve states:
In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."
The principle has been loosely applied in nearly all socialist states.

So, when's the first Communist meeting all?

 

[eagleseven]

It was Lenin's opinion that the bourgeoisie (middle class) did no work.

He was clearly wrong, which led to the eventual collapse of his Soviet Union.

 

[Modbert]

It was Lenin's opinion that the bourgeoisie (middle class) did no work.

He was clearly wrong, which led to the eventual collapse of his Soviet Union.

More than 80 years later?

Soviet Union collapsed for many reasons. And you seemed to miss the 1936 Soviet Constitution which applies that rule to EVERYONE.

Article Twelve:

In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."

Plus, the fact it's been applied in nearly all Socialist states.

Your response?

 

[MajikMyst]

Sounds like slavery to me.. Wasn't that outlawed??

 

[xsited1]

This is the passage in context:

10For even (T)when we were with you, we used to give you this order: (U)if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.

11For we hear that some among you are (V)leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like (W)busybodies.

12Now such persons we command and (X)exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to (Y)work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.

13But as for you, (Z)brethren, (AA)do not grow weary of doing good.

14If anyone does not obey our instruction (AB)in this letter, take special note of that person (AC)and do not associate with him, so that he will be (AD)put to shame.

15Yet (AE)do not regard him as an enemy, but (AF)admonish him as a (AG)brother.

So much for being considered "Satanic" Avatar.

Consider the entire chapter (2 Thessalonians 3) to get the context. Paul is trying to set an example. God’s plan is to provide for our needs through our work. This is part of God’s character, because God is always at work, taking time to rest only after the work is completed. A person who is lazy and without purpose is easily seduced by Satan. That's why it's important to avoid such people and those who enable them.

 

[xsited1]

Sounds like slavery to me.. Wasn't that outlawed??

Funny troll post! I bow to your trolliness!

 

[xsited1]

Evidence that to a Christian, the western concept of government welfare is satanic.

A good rule to live by.

I'm going to take Irony for $200, Alex.

He who does not work, neither shall he eat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He who does not work, neither shall he eat is a Biblical aphorism derived from II Thessalonians 3:10, which became a slogan for new colonies and socialist societies.

According to Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, it is the first principle of socialism. The phrase is mentioned in his 1917 work, State and Revolution (chapter 5, section 3). Through this slogan Lenin explains that in a socialist society only productive individuals would be allowed access to the articles of consumption.

This is not really directed at lazy or unproductive workers[citation needed], but rather the bourgeoisie. Marxist theory holds that the bourgeoisie buy the commodity labor-power of workers and enlists them in the process of production. Profits are then made by the expropriation of surplus value. Accordingly, in a communist society, with the abolition of property and the law of value, there would be no class of individuals that lives off the labor of others. (see Wolf and Resnick, 2002)

In the 1936 Soviet Constitution, Article Twelve states:
In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."
The principle has been loosely applied in nearly all socialist states.

So, when's the first Communist meeting all?

It's just another example of the State taking advantage of the people. That's why it's important not to allow the State to have too much power.

If anyone is interested, check out the Protestant work ethic, also known as the Puritan Work Ethic.

 

[Modbert]

Consider the entire chapter (2 Thessalonians 3) to get the context. Paul is trying to set an example. God’s plan is to provide for our needs through our work. This is part of God’s character, because God is always at work, taking time to rest only after the work is completed. A person who is lazy and without purpose is easily seduced by Satan. That's why it's important to avoid such people and those who enable them.

Except to regard it as "Satanic" is regarding it as your enemy, which you're not suppose to be doing.

 

[Modbert]

It's just another example of the State taking advantage of the people. That's why it's important not to allow the State to have too much power.

If anyone is interested, check out the Protestant work ethic, also known as the Puritan Work Ethic.

Puritan Work Ethic, while great, is overshadowed by some of their other actions to say the least.

And the Soviet Constitution is where that verse was applied. Do you not like that fact?

 

[xsited1]

Consider the entire chapter (2 Thessalonians 3) to get the context. Paul is trying to set an example. God’s plan is to provide for our needs through our work. This is part of God’s character, because God is always at work, taking time to rest only after the work is completed. A person who is lazy and without purpose is easily seduced by Satan. That's why it's important to avoid such people and those who enable them.

Except to regard it as "Satanic" is regarding it as your enemy, which you're not suppose to be doing.

That's part of the "love your enemy" doctrine that confuses many. Taken to the extreme, a Christian should love Satan. A person who refuses to work and expects to be taken care of is a bad influence and should be avoided because they are easily seduced by Satan. You try to help them as much as possible, but if they continue to refuse all help you "shake the dust from your feet as you leave a home or city that will not receive you or hear your words."

 

[xsited1]

It's just another example of the State taking advantage of the people. That's why it's important not to allow the State to have too much power.

If anyone is interested, check out the Protestant work ethic, also known as the Puritan Work Ethic.

Puritan Work Ethic, while great, is overshadowed by some of their other actions to say the least.

And the Soviet Constitution is where that verse was applied. Do you not like that fact?

I don't like the State or any other entity using what is good and pure to take advantage of people. This is a simple concept the eludes many.

 

[Modbert]

That's part of the "love your enemy" doctrine that confuses many. Taken to the extreme, a Christian should love Satan. A person who refuses to work and expects to be taken care of is a bad influence and should be avoided because they are easily seduced by Satan. You try to help them as much as possible, but if they continue to refuse all help you "shake the dust from your feet as you leave a home or city that will not receive you or hear your words."

Last I checked, Jesus was a non-violent fellow. You know, golden rule, turn the other cheek, etc.

That's the word of what Paul feels. Taking what Jesus does from the bible, he would continue to help even if refused.

 

[Modbert]

I don't like the State or any other entity using what is good and pure to take advantage of people. This is a simple concept the eludes many.

Care to explain further on how applies to what I asked?

 

[xsited1]

I don't like the State or any other entity using what is good and pure to take advantage of people. This is a simple concept the eludes many.

Care to explain further on how applies to what I asked?

Sure. I don't like the State or any other entity using what is good and pure to take advantage of people. This is a simple concept that eludes many.

 

[Modbert]

Sure. I don't like the State or any other entity using what is good and pure to take advantage of people. This is a simple concept that eludes many.

So when the State makes what you feel is "good and pure" (this, for example) and applies it as law, you think it is taking advantage of the people?

 

[xsited1]

Sure. I don't like the State or any other entity using what is good and pure to take advantage of people. This is a simple concept that eludes many.

So when the State makes what you feel is "good and pure" (this, for example) and applies it as law, you think it's is taking advantage of the people?

Of course, but this is a difficult concept for those who do not understand what it means to live in a free society. In this example, redistributing wealth from someone who works for a living to someone who does not want to work is stealing. This is covered in the Ten Commandments. If someone is raised expecting to be cared for by the State (read "stealing from someone else to provide for you"), they will have no idea that this is wrong and immoral.