ICE decides 4th amendment no longer applies too them

[Concerned American]

ICE ERO agents cannot lawfully assert probable cause (PC) or reasonable suspicion (RS) over U.S. citizens,

Illegal immigrants are known criminals and are not U.S. CITIZENS. Next. The rest of your cut and paste is irrelevant. If ICE agents have probable reason to believe there is an known criminal in a residence, as LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, they are entitled to enter the residence. You, like Moroner and Care4None are NOT lawyers, nor are you constitutional scholars. Now run your trolling off to somewhere the children post--they might believe your claptrap.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

ICE is a law enforcement agency. They have the right to arrest known criminals. Yes, they can enter a residence if there is a known criminal inside. You, nor your sock Moroner are constitutional scholars, lawyers or anything else other than troll, democrat apologists and rabble rousers. Why don't you disregard a law enforcement officer's right to stop you and ask you for ID and just drive your car at him--see what happens. FAFO, genius.

ERO is not a law enforcement division of ICE (Enforcement Removal Operations). They are NOT the police.

 

[Rogue AI]

ERO is not a law enforcement division of ICE (Enforcement Removal Operations). They are NOT the police.

Not even remotely close.

Enforcement and Removal Operations

www.ice.gov

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Illegal immigrants are known criminals and are not U.S. CITIZENS. Next. The rest of your cut and paste is irrelevant. If ICE agents have probable reason to believe there is an known criminal in a residence, as LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, they are entitled to enter the residence. You, like Moroner and Care4None are NOT lawyers, nor are you constitutional scholars. Now run your trolling off to somewhere the children post--they might believe your claptrap.

ERO agents (enforcement removal operations) are NOT law enforcement and they ONLY have authority over "aliens", those in the country without permission, whether they snuck in or overstayed their visa.

I find it highly amusing though that it bothers you all so much that we can think for ourselves and most of the time reach valid as well as correct conclusions. What have you all been promised that makes you behave this way? Deny factual information and then attack the people who bring it up?

You don't have to be an attorney to engage in debate with others on public policies and current events in the news which are important in that they're negatively impacting the lives of many Americans every single day.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Yup, not an ounce of concern for the innocent victims of your hordes of illegal aliens. Choosing foreigners over Americans, very contemporary Democrat of you.

She just said she's concerned about those who are not here unlawfully INCLUDING U.S. citizens and other lawful residents.

Is it the order of the words that has you confused?

 

[Rogue AI]

She just said she's concerned about those who are not here unlawfully INCLUDING U.S. citizens and other lawful residents.

Is it the order of the words that has you confused?

He/she/it is concerned about the rioters. They can answer for themselves on what concerns them. Get back in your sock drawer.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Not even remotely close.

Enforcement and Removal Operations

www.ice.gov

Your hyperlinked page says this:

"As part of its critical mission, ERO manages all aspects of the immigration enforcement process, including the identification, arrest, detention and removal of aliens who are subject to removal or are unlawfully present in the U.S."

I color-coded it to help you understand what it says:
Blue: This is the agency under discussion - ERO (enforcement removal operations)
Red: These are the actions that can be taken by the agency in blue above, ERO
Green: These are the people against whom the agency in blue can take the actions in red

U.S. citizens are not in scenario above

 

[Rogue AI]

Your hyperlinked page says this:

"As part of its critical mission, ERO manages all aspects of the immigration enforcement process, including the identification, arrest, detention and removal of aliens who are subject to removal or are unlawfully present in the U.S."

I color-coded it to help you understand what it says:
Blue: This is the agency under discussion - ERO (enforcement removal operations)
Red: These are the actions that can be taken by the agency in blue above, ERO
Green: These are the people against whom the agency in blue can take the actions in red

U.S. citizens are not in scenario above

US citizens are subject to detainment if they interfere, put agents at risk, or refuse to identify themselves. That is not in dispute. So try harder and go play crayons elsewhere.

 

[Concerned American]

ERO agents (enforcement removal operations) are NOT law enforcement and they ONLY have authority over "aliens", those in the country without permission, whether they snuck in or overstayed their visa.

What part of AUTHORITY OVER ALIENS, THOSE IN THE COUNTRY WITHOUT PERMISSION, IOW illegally, do you not understand? I think your ability to think for yourself does not include even the most rudimentary aspects of LOGIC.

 

[Concerned American]

That’s what the Trump administration thinks.

The great Karnac has spoken.

 

[Care4all]

Yup, not an ounce of concern for the innocent victims of your hordes of illegal aliens. Choosing foreigners over Americans, very contemporary Democrat of you.

Huh?

 

[martybegan]

It’s not a judicial warrant. The 4th amendment is designed to keep the government out of your home without a judicial warrant.

Where does the 4th amendment explicitly call for a judicial warrant? It calls for a warrant, true. But legislatively congress delegated immigration issues to executive magistrates.

Now if they want to search the PROPERTY for evidence, THEN they would need an additional warrant, and probably by law a judicial one. But for searching for the PERSON who has a detainer/warrant whatever, the 4th amendment is covered.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[2aguy]

ICE has decided on their own that the executive branch, on their own without any judicial involvement, can forcibly enter homes.

This is a clear violation of the 4th amendment and we’ve seen this in action in jurisdictions around the country.

The memo outlining the policy has been tightly controlled, clearly not wanting this information to get out.

Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge's warrant, memo says

An Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press reveals that the agency allows immigration officers to forcibly enter homes to make arrests without a judicial warrant.

apnews.com

This is the kind of constitutional violation that I think warrants criminal prosecution.

No....actually, obama decided that, and Supreme Court rulings agreed with him.......you dope.

 

[2aguy]

Here, let me help these democrats in a way they might be able to understand.

Go and watch the movie "The Fugitive," with Harrison Ford. That will explain everything you need to know when federal agents are pursuing a criminal.

ICE has authority to enter a property to make an arrest against someone with an order of deportation against them. They have that warrant for that arrest.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Left loves the Constitution…, and then when the Left does not like the the Constitution, they remind us that the Constitution was written by White Owning Slave Owners.

Irrelevant crybabying. Low IQ, useless tu quoque

 

[LeftofLeft]

Irrelevant crybabying. Low IQ, useless tu quoque

How do you feel about the Constitution.

 

[Anathema]

This is the kind of constitutional violation that I think warrants criminal prosecution.

Definitely. Any illegal found behind the door after it gets kicked in should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[sparky]

How do you feel about the Constitution.

confused

~S~

 

[g5000]

ICE has decided on their own that the executive branch, on their own without any judicial involvement, can forcibly enter homes.

This is a clear violation of the 4th amendment and we’ve seen this in action in jurisdictions around the country.

The memo outlining the policy has been tightly controlled, clearly not wanting this information to get out.

Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge's warrant, memo says

An Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press reveals that the agency allows immigration officers to forcibly enter homes to make arrests without a judicial warrant.

apnews.com

This is the kind of constitutional violation that I think warrants criminal prosecution.

ICE Deems Being In Privacy Of Own Home Obstruction Of Justice​

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Our Nazi regime is making it more and more difficult to parody them!

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[scruffy]

That warrant comes from an immigration judge, who is an employee of the executive branch. These do not come from article 3 judges and therefore the administration is usurping judicial power for itself.

So suddenly immigration judges are worthless?

President Trump sure has you flip flopping like fish out of water.