Democratic demands for ICE changes

[Polishprince]

Of 2500 people arrested by the ICEstapo, only 212 had criminal records, some of them for crimes as petty as DUI.

MEANWHILE, they hadn't even asked for criminals already in the prisons.

For instance, that Hmong Grandfather (US Citizen) who was rousted naked from his home in freezing weather was supposedly because they were looking for a sex offender. Except said sex offender had been in State custody since 2024.

DUI isn't a "petty" offense. If you were caught boozing it up while driving in Krapistan, you'd be expelled to America.

Even Americans are punished severely, a friend of mine was falsely accused of DUI and was condemned to his choice of 30 days or 30 AA meetings and he chose the latter.

 

[martybegan]

None of these sound unreasonable.

Our civilian police forces already do all these things... and they go after real criminals, not someone who has a paperwork violation.



If the communities are up in arms about what you are doing, you should probably stop doing it.

Trump has sent in 1/4 of all available ICEstapo agents into the 49th largest city because the governor said mean things about him during the last election. The total number of arrests they've made has been 2500, but only 212 of them have serious criminal records.

If skittled haired idiots are 'up in arms" then the right thing is being done.

Classic test of wills, and your side is losing it.

 

[rightwinger]

Who cares where they are?

Local officials should coordinate with them.

Goes both ways

ICE acts like the enemy
That is why they are treated that way

 

[TNHarley]

Goes both ways

ICE acts like the enemy
That is why they are treated that way

What goes both ways?

You mean because they are facing hostile local govts and citizens?
Why do you think ICE is going so smoothly in other states? Try to think for once. Once in your life. Just try it.

 

[rightwinger]

It slows them down.

The Constitution is like that

 

[Polishprince]

The Constitution is like that

the Constitution gives the federal government a right to deport undesirable aliens. You may think that child molesting drug-dealing MS 13'ers should be able to stay in America indefinitely, but the people don't.

That's why President Trump got an overwhelming mandate in 2024

 

[PeanutGallery]

What goes both ways?

You mean because they are facing hostile local govts and citizens?
Why do you think ICE is going so smoothly in other states? Try to think for once. Once in your life. Just try it.

You're asking a WHOLE lot there. Perhaps you should ask for something a little more attainable?

 

[marvin martian]

Most are common procedures for all law enforcement

1. Targeted Enforcement – DHS officers cannot enter private property without a judicial warrant; end indiscriminate arrests; improve warrant procedures and standards; require verification that a person is not a U.S. citizen before holding them in immigration detention.
2. No Masks – Prohibit ICE and immigration enforcement agents from wearing face coverings.
3. Require ID – Require DHS officers conducting immigration enforcement to display their agency, unique ID number and last name; require them to verbalize their ID number and last name if asked.
4. Protect Sensitive Locations – Prohibit funds for enforcement near medical facilities, schools, child care facilities, churches, polling places, courts and other sensitive locations.
5. Stop Racial Profiling – Ban stops, questioning and searches based on presence at certain locations, jobs, spoken language, accent, race or ethnicity.
6. Uphold Use of Force Standards – Codify reasonable use-of-force policy, expand training and require officer certification; remove officers from the field pending investigations after incidents.
7. Ensure State and Local Coordination and Oversight – Preserve state and local authority to investigate potential crimes and excessive force; require evidence preservation and sharing; require consent of states and localities for large-scale operations outside targeted enforcement.
8. Build Safeguards into the System – Require immediate access to attorneys in detention; allow states to sue DHS for violations; prohibit limits on member visits to ICE facilities regardless of funding source.
9. Body Cameras for Accountability, Not Tracking – Mandate body-worn cameras and establish storage/access rules; prohibit tracking or databases of individuals engaged in First Amendment activities.
10. No Paramilitary Police – Regulate and standardize uniforms and equipment to align with civil enforcement.

ID is racist.

Right?

 

[PeanutGallery]

The Constitution is like that

If they're following the rules and laws that have been passed by legislation, then the remedy is to challenge the constitutionality of those rules and laws. Putting up barricades and asking for "papers" isn't how one responds to ICE. At least, that sounds right to people with some common sense.

 

[rightwinger]

If they're following the rules and laws that have been passed by legislation, then the remedy is to challenge the constitutionality of those rules and laws. Putting up barricades and asking for "papers" isn't how one responds to ICE. At least, that sounds right to people with some common sense.

They should conform to the same rules and laws that other law enforcement must conform to

People have a right to be left alone

 

[TNHarley]

You're asking a WHOLE lot there. Perhaps you should ask for something a little more attainable?

touche lol

 

[PeanutGallery]

They should conform to the same rules and laws that other law enforcement must conform to

People have a right to be left alone

And ICE has the right to perform their duties as well. You seem to be missing that part for some reason. BTW, what are these universal rules and laws that other law enforcement must conform to that ICE needs to follow? Can you post a link so we can see it?

 

[rightwinger]

And ICE has the right to perform their duties as well. You seem to be missing that part for some reason. BTW, what are these universal rules and laws that other law enforcement must conform to that ICE needs to follow? Can you post a link so we can see it?

Read post #1

 

[PeanutGallery]

Read post #1

That's a wish list. That's not rules and laws that all law enforcement have to follow. I will address some of them.

#2 Masks. There's no federal law that says that a law enforcement officer has to show their face when they're on duty or arresting somebody. What are ICE's duties? To perform and execute federal immigration law. States are trying to ban it, but it's all for political theater. You have what's happening in CA where the LAPD came out and said that they won't enforce the law.

#3 Require ID. I thought IDs were racist. I guess that only applies to voting. Also, they have to give their ID number and name if asked? There's no federal law compelling law enforcement to give their ID number or last name if asked. Even at the local or state level, it depends on the jurisdiction.

#6 State oversight for federal law enforcement? In what world can a state tell federal law enforcement how to do their jobs? Say hello to the Supremacy Clause. Also, Minneapolis is a city that doesn't cooperate when it comes to immigration. How will they provide oversight over something they don't even enforce?

#10 Standardized uniforms: You never heard of an undercover agent? Do you think they wear the same uniform performing those duties as someone on patrol? This might be the silliest of your suggestions.

 

[rightwinger]

That's a wish list. That's not rules and laws that all law enforcement have to follow. I will address some of them.

#2 Masks. There's no federal law that says that a law enforcement officer has to show their face when they're on duty or arresting somebody. What are ICE's duties? To perform and execute federal immigration law. States are trying to ban it, but it's all for political theater. You have what's happening in CA where the LAPD came out and said that they won't enforce the law.

#3 Require ID. I thought IDs were racist. I guess that only applies to voting. Also, they have to give their ID number and name if asked? There's no federal law compelling law enforcement to give their ID number or last name if asked. Even at the local or state level, it depends on the jurisdiction.

#6 State oversight for federal law enforcement? In what world can a state tell federal law enforcement how to do their jobs? Say hello to the Supremacy Clause. Also, Minneapolis is a city that doesn't cooperate when it comes to immigration. How will they provide oversight over something they don't even enforce?

#10 Standardized uniforms: You never heard of an undercover agent? Do you think they wear the same uniform performing those duties as someone on patrol? This might be the silliest of your suggestions.

Police have an obligation to identify themselves if asked, display a badge and name identification.

ICE has been acting incognito. If an agent abuses you, you have no ability to describe or identify them

ICE dresses as Storm Troopers

 

[PeanutGallery]

Police have an obligation to identify themselves if asked, display a badge and name identification.

Again, according to what? You've already be shown that there's no federal law saying they have an obligation. You're making an argument like a child who has been told no already trying to get someone to change their mind. You're arguing what you'd like it to be. I'm telling you what it ACTUALLY is.

ICE has been acting incognito. If an agent abuses you, you have no ability to describe or identify them

ICE dresses as Storm Troopers

Which I've shown is LEGAL under federal law. You don't like it. Tell the democrats in Congress to make a law. Because governors and mayors trying to do it are useless.

 

[rightwinger]

Which I've shown is LEGAL under federal law. You don't like it. Tell the democrats in Congress to make a law. Because governors and mayors trying to do it are useless.

Which is what they are doing

 

[Polishprince]

Which is what they are doing

What's wrong with undercover ICE agents to break open these cells of illegals? Undercover cops like Johnny Depp aka Donnie Brasco don't bother identifying themselves,

 

[JoeB131]

Ironic you would say that when libs in NYC just arrested and sent Senior Citizen Charles Foehner to a long stretch in the joint for paperwork violations .

DUI isn't a "petty" offense. If you were caught boozing it up while driving in Krapistan, you'd be expelled to America.

I'd ask where Crapistan is on a map, but I think it's next to Poland.

DUI is a scam to generate money for the state. If the state wanted to end drunk driving, they could do it in ten minutes. Equip every car with a blow meter

Even Americans are punished severely, a friend of mine was falsely accused of DUI and was condemned to his choice of 30 days or 30 AA meetings and he chose the latter.

How was he falsely accused? Either he was operating a vehicle when drunk or he wasn't.

And a whole 30 days of AA meetings?

If skittled haired idiots are 'up in arms" then the right thing is being done.

Classic test of wills, and your side is losing it.

If skittled haired idiots are 'up in arms" then the right thing is being done.

Classic test of wills, and your side is losing it.

Um, no, we aren't.

Trump has already sacked Trench-Coat Nazi Cosplayer. The Puppy Killer is keeping quiet, hoping she doesn't lose her job soon. And Trump is pulling 700 ICEStapo Jackboots out of MN.

 

[Polishprince]

How was he falsely accused? Either he was operating a vehicle when drunk or he wasn't.

And a whole 30 days of AA meetings?

Actually, the paperwork he got on the DUI alleged he was driving a maroon Lincoln which was a lie. He had documented proof that his automobile was burgundy.

The local judges in this part of the country are quite draconian in the punishments they give for this kind of offense.