ARMY OF THUGS: ICE breaks into private home without a warrant assaults home owner (4th Amendment is trash)

[citygator]

No one has ever argued it does.

The administrative warrant is a warrant. What Camara is saying that is that it can't be the administrative person in the field that makes the reasonableness determination. In the ICE cases, they are acting on a Final Order of Removal from an Immigration Judge. The "reasonable" standard of the 4th amendment has been met.

The argument fails because it conflates custody authority with home-entry authority. A Final Order of Removal and ICE administrative warrant authorize detention, not entry into a residence. Camara does not say internal executive adjudication substitutes for a judicial warrant; it explicitly requires neutral judicial authorization before entering a home once consent is refused.

Under Payton v. New York (1980), even criminal arrest warrants signed by judges do not authorize home entry without separate judicial approval. Allowing ICE to enter homes based on executive-branch warrants would collapse the Fourth Amendment’s core safeguard: independent judicial review before the government crosses the threshold of a private residence.

I cant believe you are arguing cops can come inside your house without a judge signing a search warrant.

 

[struth]

You do have a right to tell them to **** off and not open the door

Sure you can, they were let in, then verbally assaulted

If you want to be a dick don’t play the victim afterwards

 

[Zincwarrior]

The 4th amendment only requires a warrant for unreasonable searches and seizures

If there is already a deportation order for someone.m, seizing that person to deport them is more then reasonable

They require a valid warrant to enter any domicile. Thats 250 year old law.

The issue is whether its considered a valid warrant for this purpose. Here is where we all shut up and wait for the courts and constitutional attorneys to adjudicate.

 

[struth]

They require a valid warrant to enter any domicile. Thats 250 year old law.

The issue is whether its considered a valid warrant for this purpose. Here is where we all shut up and wait for the courts and constitutional attorneys to adjudicate.

No they don’t

The fourth amendment only requires a warrant for unreasonable searches and seizures

That’s 250 year old law

 

[Zincwarrior]

No they don’t

The fourth amendment only requires a warrant for unreasonable searches and seizures

That’s 250 year old law

And thats an unreasonable search.

 

[leftwinger]

We are going to go broke from all the lawsuits that will be paid eventually by this piece of shit organization. Defund ICE.

The 4th amendment is trash. It isnt worth the 250 year old paper it is written on.

"They're inside my house with no warrant—I'm a U.S. citizen!" she tells 911 operator. "He's not an immigrant!"The adults in the family—who were trying to protect the young children also present in the home—did manage to chase the 2 ICE agents away before they were able detain anyone.The incident occurred in San Antonio, Texas.

Always a headline "story". Always BS upon closer review. Stain lie everytime. Yawning//

 

[Rawley]

The argument fails because it conflates custody authority with home-entry authority. A Final Order of Removal and ICE administrative warrant authorize detention, not entry into a residence. Camara does not say internal executive adjudication substitutes for a judicial warrant; it explicitly requires neutral judicial authorization before entering a home once consent is refused.

If it's "explicit" you can cite the holding.

Under Payton v. New York (1980), even criminal arrest warrants signed by judges do not authorize home entry without separate judicial approval. Allowing ICE to enter homes based on executive-branch warrants would collapse the Fourth Amendment’s core safeguard: independent judicial review before the government crosses the threshold of a private residence.

I cant believe you are arguing cops can come inside your house without a judge signing a search warrant.

I'm not. Again, you seem very confused.

 

[citygator]

Always a headline "story". Always BS upon closer review. Stain lie everytime. Yawning//

Two days and no official statements from ICE, U.S. Marshals, or police have clarified the target or outcome amid rising tensions over immigration enforcement. They are fucked.

They may be looking for a real bad criminal but they cant go in houses without a warrant.

 

[struth]

And thats an unreasonable search.

What is?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Two days and no official statements from ICE, U.S. Marshals, or police have clarified the target or outcome amid rising tensions over immigration enforcement. They are fucked.

They may be looking for a real bad criminal but they cant go in houses without a warrant.

They need to sue.

 

[marvin martian]

The home owner has ON VIDEO that they were unwelcome in her home and demanded they leave unless they had a warranat. You heard that. You saw that. The cops never presented a warrant. Feel free to prove they have a secret warrant, which wouldnt matter because you HAVE TO SHOW a warrant. They did not.

The order of removal is the warrant. Police don't need to get another warrant when one already exists. If that were the case, every wanted criminal would just need to stay inside their home to avoid arrest forever.

 

[BackAgain]

The issue is concerning searching domiciles. Thats not permitted via Constitution.

No. That’s not the issue. You remain wrong.

The issue is whether, in order to apprehend an illegal alien, ICE Agents must have an arrest warrant.

The claim made by the ridiculous shittycroc is that Camara somehow stands for the proposition that even administrative searches require search warrants.

Here’s a link to the case:

Roland CAMARA, Appellant, v. MUNICIPAL COURT OF the CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO.

www.law.cornell.edu

It addresses administrative warrants for searches. Not for arrests.

If any law enforcement officer has actual probable cause (like a prior order of the removal of an illegal alien), the apprehension of the alien isn’t a search matter. It is simply a matter of picking up the one who is wanted.

Camara dealt with an administrative search (without a search warrant) for housing laws. Not an arrest warrant.

 

[Rawley]

No they don’t

The fourth amendment only requires a warrant for unreasonable searches and seizures

That’s 250 year old law

Kinda, sorta, not really. The 4th Amendment protects against unreasonable searches. So even if you have a warrant, you can't conduct an unreasonable search.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The issue is whether, in order to apprehend an illegal alien, ICE Agents must have an arrest warrant.

A valid warrant to enter a domicile. That historically was a JUDICIAL warrant, Brad.

 

[struth]

Kinda, sorta, not really. The 4th Amendment protects against unreasonable searches. So even if you have a warrant, you can't conduct an unreasonable search.

That’s true

Excellent point

 

[Zincwarrior]

That’s true

Excellent point

Considering this is not a criminal issue, I would submit everyone posting here doesn't have a ******* clue. This is the rarified reserve of Constitutional lawyers, not us.

If you disagree you are ignorant.

 

[Rawley]

That’s true

Excellent point

The issue here is whether only a warrant issued by and Article 3 Judge can satisfy the "reasonableness" standard of the Fourth Amendment.

I doubt that is the way the Court will come down, when/if it is ever litigated.

 

[struth]

Considering this is not a criminal issue, I would submit everyone posting here doesn't have a ******* clue. This is the rarified reserve of Constitutional lawyers, not us.

If you disagree you are ignorant.

Th fourth amendment isn’t limited to criminal matters

It’s anyone time the govt wants to conduct and search or a seizure

 

[struth]

The issue here is whether only a warrant issued by and Article 3 Judge can satisfy the "reasonableness" standard of the Fourth Amendment.

I doubt that is the way the Court will come down, when/if it is ever litigated.

Why would a warrant issued by an art 3 court be considered unreasonable?

 

[BackAgain]

No Action Taken. X post is backed up with video

No. It’s not.