“i will repeal obamacare on day one”

[chikenwing]

You missed the point of Obama care. It is here to FORCE freeloaders into carrying insurance


This is the really good part,how will it be that these so called free loaders,that can't afford the premiums now,will be magically afford them later?

If you say they will get help paying them,where will that help come from?

 

[mudwhistle]

In fact, there is about 2578 pages of it. Have you read it, all of it?

And I am waiting for the full story, mud. Half truths are whole lies.

'mud above is not telling the whole story: let's wait for it.

I don't have time to tell the whole story.

BTW, have you read the entire bill?

All 2700 plus pages of it?

I know you've never read the whole thing ether so STFU.

And you're gonna need a link to show how many pages it is.

Last thing I've heard is nobody knows exactly how long it is. The last count was over 2700 pages. Some of it was added shortly after it was signed. http://obamacarewatcher.org/

Since then over 6000 pages of new regulations has been added. http://healthblog.ncpa.org/over-600...nts-added-to-federal-register-and-other-news/

 

[del]

“I WILL REPEAL OBAMACARE ON DAY ONE”
And leave 45 million people without healthcare and 26,000 will die prematurely.

The then clueless that no one will be left without healthcare, because “if someone has a heart attack, paramedics will pick them up, take them to the hospital and treat them.” Period. But what he so conveniently omitted was that; Paramedics will send you a bill. Hospital will release you with follow with you cardiologist which you do not have and would not see you because you do not have healthcare insurance. The hospital will send you a $30,000 bill that you cannot pay, they will be turned over to collection agency and you still cannot pay and then you will have to file bankrupt leaving the hospital in the red for $30,000 that will be passed on to Americans who do have healthcare with higher hospital bills and higher premiums, etc. And there are still Village Idiots that agree with him in repealing ObamaCare. They are people who hate Obama so much that they are willing to die to get him out of office.

This is another example on how out of touch Romney is with unemployed and uninsured Americans. Of course Romney don’t understand. He buys his wife horses to treat her MS. Would RomneyCare pay for me to have a horse to treat my MS?

People will auto insurance pay for uninsured motorists insurance.

Obamacare has not provided health care for a single American.

Obamacare is simply a mandate forcing us to buy insurance. Obamacare hasn't treated one single patient. It is simply a mandate forcing us to buy insurance. It is also a mandate forcing insurance companies to cover people that don't need insurance......thus raising their premiums.

One of our members lied to me and said her 20 something year old son got coverage because of it under her policy.

She neglected to mention he was a police officer with his own insurance.

just like romneycare

 

[Big Black Dog]

“i will repeal obamacare on day one”

This is just one of the many reasons I intend to vote for Romney.

 

[Toronado3800]

I admit if folks just plain have no money Romney/Obama care can not collect from them. I agree the tax penalty is not near enough to encourage freeloaders to get insurance. I also admit soon exotic healthcare prodedures will be even more expensive and it will be worse if economy of scale does not make it available to all.

Still I like their idea of forcing freeloaders to sign up and pay SOMETHING. The welfare system is another problem. FDR would roll in his grave

 

[toomuchtime_]

“I WILL REPEAL OBAMACARE ON DAY ONE”
And leave 45 million people without healthcare and 26,000 will die prematurely.

The then clueless that no one will be left without healthcare, because “if someone has a heart attack, paramedics will pick them up, take them to the hospital and treat them.” Period. But what he so conveniently omitted was that; Paramedics will send you a bill. Hospital will release you with follow with you cardiologist which you do not have and would not see you because you do not have healthcare insurance. The hospital will send you a $30,000 bill that you cannot pay, they will be turned over to collection agency and you still cannot pay and then you will have to file bankrupt leaving the hospital in the red for $30,000 that will be passed on to Americans who do have healthcare with higher hospital bills and higher premiums, etc. And there are still Village Idiots that agree with him in repealing ObamaCare. They are people who hate Obama so much that they are willing to die to get him out of office.

This is another example on how out of touch Romney is with unemployed and uninsured Americans. Of course Romney don’t understand. He buys his wife horses to treat her MS. Would RomneyCare pay for me to have a horse to treat my MS?

People will auto insurance pay for uninsured motorists insurance.

Bullshit. The US already had government provided affordable healthcare before the Democrats' political stunt called Obamacare, which should more properly be called Obamascam.

HRSA health centers care for you, even if you have no health insurance. You pay what you can afford, based on your income. Health centers provide

•checkups when you're well

•treatment when you're sick

•complete care when you're pregnant

•immunizations and checkups for your children

•dental care and prescription drugs for your family

•mental health and substance abuse care if you need it

Health centers are in most cities and many rural areas. Type in your address and click the 'Find Health Centers' button to find health centers near you.

HRSA - Find a Health Center - Search Page

These clinics are available virtually everywhere in the US. In addition, all low income areas in the US have many privately funded free and low cost clinics. The Democrats initially wanted to drastically cut funding for these government clinics and it was only after Diane Feinstein threatened to vote against the bill that the funding was restored.

There were problems with our healthcare delivery system, primarily with the cost of hospital care, inpatient and outpatient, to the uninsured, but they could have been easily fixed in the first few months of the Obama administration by having the insurance companies that administer Medicaid HMO's provide hospital care only insurance policies, which would be relatively inexpensive, and providing assistance based on income to those who needed it to pay the premiums.

The problems with our healthcare delivery system were never as dire or as widespread as Obama and the Democrats pretended, and Obama proved this point in his 2009 speech before a joint session of Congress when he demonstrated the only way to justify Obamacare was to lie about the need for it.

To highlight abusive practices, Mr. Obama referred to an Illinois man who "lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about." The president continued: "They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it."

Although the president has used this example previously, his conclusion is contradicted by the transcript of a June 16 hearing on industry practices before the Subcommittee of Oversight and Investigation of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. The deceased's sister testified that the insurer reinstated her brother's coverage following intervention by the Illinois Attorney General's Office. She testified that her brother received a prescribed stem-cell transplant within the desired three- to four-week "window of opportunity" from "one of the most renowned doctors in the whole world on the specific routine," that the procedure "was extremely successful," and that "it extended his life nearly three and a half years."

The president's second example was a Texas woman "about to get a double mastectomy when her insurance company canceled her policy because she forgot to declare a case of acne." He said that "By the time she had her insurance reinstated, her breast cancer more than doubled in size."

The woman's testimony at the June 16 hearing confirms that her surgery was delayed several months. It also suggests that the dermatologist's chart may have described her skin condition as precancerous, that the insurer also took issue with an apparent failure to disclose an earlier problem with an irregular heartbeat, and that she knowingly underreported her weight on the application.

These two cases are presumably among the most egregious identified by Congressional staffers' analysis of 116,000 pages of documents from three large health insurers, which identified a total of about 20,000 rescissions from millions of policies issued by the insurers over a five-year period. Company representatives testified that less than one half of one percent of policies were rescinded (less than 0.1% for one of the companies).

Scott Harrington: Fact-Checking the President on Health Insurance - WSJ.com

 

[mudwhistle]

I admit if folks just plain have no money Romney/Obama care can not collect from them. I agree the tax penalty is not near enough to encourage freeloaders to get insurance. I also admit soon exotic healthcare prodedures will be even more expensive and it will be worse if economy of scale does not make it available to all.

Still I like their idea of forcing freeloaders to sign up and pay SOMETHING. The welfare system is another problem. FDR would roll in his grave

It's too much of a burden for them. They were counting on getting it for free.

What they'll do is put in for Social Security disability benefits.

Many with pre-existing conditions will demand insurance even though they never paid a cent.

 

[Greenbeard]

Obamacare has not provided health care for a single American.

Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion already covering a half-million Americans
More Young Adults Have Insurance After Health Care Law, Study Says
Enrollment Climbs in Preexisting Condition Insurance Plan

So you have read it??,can you disseminate it down to a two or three paragraph explanation ,so the vast majority of the people that will be affected by it can understand it??

The approach of the law isn't hard to understand.

Fix the deficiencies in insurance markets that make them anticompetitive. Level the playing field, put in more consumer protections to make sure shoppers are being treated fairly, and enable real competition between private insurers on price and quality.

Give states new options in their Medicaid programs for the poor, and reform Medicare to fix the inefficiencies in the way it works and improve care for beneficiaries.

Invest in public health and prevention at the community level to attack our growing chronic disease burden before it starts (and better support people who have those chronic diseases, like diabetes).

Bolster the medical workforce so we have more folks with the skills and training to provide the health services we need.

In other words, simultaneously tackle the problems that have led to 1) people not being able to get insurance and services that they need, 2) care quality remaining well below what our system is capable of, and 3) inefficiencies and poor use of resources that keep costs high and rising. That means taking on three goals at once: making care better, getting people more access to it, and slowing the rise in its costs.

Last thing I've heard is nobody knows exactly how long it is. The last count was over 2700 pages. Some of it was added shortly after it was signed.

The final compiled piece of legislation is 900-odd pages, with very generous page margins.

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

 

[syrenn]

I admit if folks just plain have no money Romney/Obama care can not collect from them. I agree the tax penalty is not near enough to encourage freeloaders to get insurance. I also admit soon exotic healthcare prodedures will be even more expensive and it will be worse if economy of scale does not make it available to all.

Still I like their idea of forcing freeloaders to sign up and pay SOMETHING. The welfare system is another problem. FDR would roll in his grave

simple answer... if you dont pay anything... you dont GET anything. That is the only way to force freeloaders...to do anything.

 

[tjvh]

Tough here. In any other industrial nation, all citizens have health insurance.

But then, 'Conservatives' have allways prefered people they deem as 'weak' die.

You're welcome to relocate yourself to any one of those socialist utopias... I'm sure you wont be missed.

 

[geauxtohell]

Is he still going to do that? I can't keep track anymore.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obamacare has not provided health care for a single American.

Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion already covering a half-million Americans
More Young Adults Have Insurance After Health Care Law, Study Says
Enrollment Climbs in Preexisting Condition Insurance Plan

So you have read it??,can you disseminate it down to a two or three paragraph explanation ,so the vast majority of the people that will be affected by it can understand it??

The approach of the law isn't hard to understand.

Fix the deficiencies in insurance markets that make them anticompetitive. Level the playing field, put in more consumer protections to make sure shoppers are being treated fairly, and enable real competition between private insurers on price and quality.

Give states new options in their Medicaid programs for the poor, and reform Medicare to fix the inefficiencies in the way it works and improve care for beneficiaries.

Invest in public health and prevention at the community level to attack our growing chronic disease burden before it starts (and better support people who have those chronic diseases, like diabetes).

Bolster the medical workforce so we have more folks with the skills and training to provide the health services we need.

In other words, simultaneously tackle the problems that have led to 1) people not being able to get insurance and services that they need, 2) care quality remaining well below what our system is capable of, and 3) inefficiencies and poor use of resources that keep costs high and rising. That means taking on three goals at once: making care better, getting people more access to it, and slowing the rise in its costs.

Last thing I've heard is nobody knows exactly how long it is. The last count was over 2700 pages. Some of it was added shortly after it was signed.

The final compiled piece of legislation is 900-odd pages, with very generous page margins.

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

And Benghazi was about a video.......

 

[toomuchtime_]

Tough here. In any other industrial nation, all citizens have health insurance.

But then, 'Conservatives' have allways prefered people they deem as 'weak' die.

and health insurance is available to everyone here too..... so whats the point OR?

You missed the point of Obama care. It is here to FORCE freeloaders into carrying insurance. This is so poor folks can not flood the emergency room for routine stuff totally on my (and your) tab when they do not have insurance.

Forcing this will fix the math on health insurance costs for a couple decades keeping it affordable as teens and healthy young folks get insurance. It also keeps them from looking into my wallet when they get shot or have a gall bladder go bad from too much fast food and saves me more money.

Romney agrees with me btw. He just wants a strange patchwork system of 50 Obama Romny systems.

You've missed the point. The individual mandate will have little effect, if any, on the number of additional people who buy health insurance, but the Obamacare requirements of no lifetime limits and the same rate for people with preexisting conditions will drive up insurance rates substantially, by as much as 30% by some estimates, so that some who now can barely afford to pay for their own health insurance will be forced to drop it, so it is not clear at this time whether more Americans or fewer Americans will be able to buy health insurance because of Obamacare.

By 2016, the penalty for not buying health insurance will be only the greater of $695 per adult and $347.50 per child or 2.5% of family income, much less than the cost of buying health insurance, so even if you had to pay this amount, it would cost less than buying the insurance, but in fact, since IRS is restricted by the law to only trying to collect this amount by deducting it from any refund you might have coming, by adjusting your tax deductions, you can avoid having any refund due and thus avoid paying any penalty for not buying health insurance. For these reasons, health insurance premiums will inevitably sky rocket once Obamacare is fully implemented.

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

And Benghazi was about a video.......

Wow. A Benghazi reference in a thread about Obamacare. Benghazi is the far right's version of "9/11 was an inside job." Say it enough times and it takes on a life of it's own.

 

[Greenbeard]

Is he still going to do that? I can't keep track anymore.

I enjoyed anti-ACA zealot Michael Cannon's take on that question. Apparently he noticed that Romney's chief-of-staff-in-waiting runs a firm that's been implementing the ACA for the past two and a half years.

Michael Cannon, a healthcare analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute who strongly opposes the healthcare law, said he’s not sure how much a President Romney could do on “day one.” Cannon is also still skeptical about Romney’s commitment to repeal — a question that dogged him throughout the Republican primary.

“He may decide to tack to the center on ObamaCare … you never know with this guy,” Cannon said.

“Will he divulge where the money has been coming from?” asked Cannon. “Will he stop spending money on that [the federal exchange]? Or will he keep spending money on that because his buddy Mike Leavitt thinks [exchanges are] such great things, and by the way, he makes money off them?”

Leavitt, a former HHS secretary, is leading Romney’s transition team. He runs a consulting business that has helped states plan to set up their exchanges.

 

[mudwhistle]

Is he still going to do that? I can't keep track anymore.

I enjoyed anti-ACA zealot Michael Cannon's take on that question. Apparently he noticed that Romney's chief-of-staff-in-waiting runs a firm that's been implementing the ACA for the past two and a half years.

Michael Cannon, a healthcare analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute who strongly opposes the healthcare law, said he’s not sure how much a President Romney could do on “day one.” Cannon is also still skeptical about Romney’s commitment to repeal — a question that dogged him throughout the Republican primary.

“He may decide to tack to the center on ObamaCare … you never know with this guy,” Cannon said.

“Will he divulge where the money has been coming from?” asked Cannon. “Will he stop spending money on that [the federal exchange]? Or will he keep spending money on that because his buddy Mike Leavitt thinks [exchanges are] such great things, and by the way, he makes money off them?”

Leavitt, a former HHS secretary, is leading Romney’s transition team. He runs a consulting business that has helped states plan to set up their exchanges.

Yeah....sure.

Uh-huh......


Give it up asshole.

Nothing you Obama suckups put out is true. After all of the lies you still expect us to think you're on the level....THIS TIME.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Is he still going to do that? I can't keep track anymore.

He can't repeal it on day one, but what he can do is offer a plethora of exemptions to states that don't wish to comply with Obamacare, but since the individual mandate will do little to offset the costs of insuring those with pre existing conditions and no lifetime limits, the rising costs of health insurance will eventually persuade enough Democrats to agree to replace Obamacare with some other plan that will create fewer hardships for the middle class.

 

[Wry Catcher]

tough.

Well, you're clearly a Republican: "I've got mind, fuck the rest of you"

 

[eflatminor]

tough.

Fuck this 'Christian' nation shit, right?

Christians believe in stealing from productive citizens? I did not know that.

 

[eflatminor]

tough.

Well, you're clearly a Republican: "I've got mind, fuck the rest of you"

Well, you're clearly a Democrat: "You've got what I want, hand it over"