Ok, I got a question for ya...........

[BlackSand]

I don't know about all that, I'm UK with the NHS that I've had no fault with for nearly 60 years.

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I guess my objection is more about attitude ...
And the idea I really don't want to grant the government power it doesn't have.
It's a good thing you trust your government to a point you'll bet your life on it.

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[davebb]

Wow, free stuff. What a novel idea.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Why should health care be free, but not food?

Thats another thread, if you would like to start one on it.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Maybe you people squabbling about the term "free" don't know exactly what the retail term "free" means exactly.
And yes, healthcare IS a retail establishment.

Most of us were raised and went to school learning words have specific meanings.
"Free" meaning that a person or an item/service does not have any attachments to anything else, where the person or item/service is obligated to be compensated down the line at some point. But that is where the term "free and clear" comes from.

Political and retail "free" doesn't get the same definition as "free and clear".

Political "free" means you are granted a precise and specific freedom of choice at that particular time, but will have to pay for it later on, at the givers time frame.

Retail "free" means you are offered something "free", but in reality, the cost is built in to the other items which are purchased.
Great example: Olive Garden.
All those "free" bread sticks and "free" salad aren't FREE and CLEAR. The prices are added into the cost of the entree's, drinks, and desserts. So you PAY for them, but they are made into a novelty act to get you to come in and eat there.

THIS is what "free healthcare" is.
We ALL will pay for it in other ways, but "free" means you don't have any upfront cost. You can see a doctor for basic ailments and health upkeep and not expect to pay anything. But if you have a problem that consists of more than what will be covered under BASIC healthcare, then it will be up to the individual to find a healthcare plan/doctor/organization that will help them best with their personal issues.

 

[dblack]

Thats another thread, if you would like to start one on it.

Not really. It's extending your reasoning for free health care. You said it should be free because it's a necessity. They are many other necessities. They should be free too, right? If not, then why should health care?

 

[dblack]

Maybe you people squabbling about the term "free" don't know exactly what the retail term "free" means exactly.
And yes, healthcare IS a retail establishment.

Most of us were raised and went to school learning words have specific meanings.
"Free" meaning that a person or an item/service does not have any attachments to anything else, where the person or item/service is obligated to be compensated down the line at some point. But that is where the term "free and clear" comes from.

Political and retail "free" doesn't get the same definition as "free and clear".

Political "free" means you are granted a precise and specific freedom of choice at that particular time, but will have to pay for it later on, at the givers time frame.

Retail "free" means you are offered something "free", but in reality, the cost is built in to the other items which are purchased.
Great example: Olive Garden.
All those "free" bread sticks and "free" salad aren't FREE and CLEAR. The prices are added into the cost of the entree's, drinks, and desserts. So you PAY for them, but they are made into a novelty act to get you to come in and eat there.

THIS is what "free healthcare" is.
We ALL will pay for it in other ways, but "free" means you don't have any upfront cost. You can see a doctor for basic ailments and health upkeep and not expect to pay anything. But if you have a problem that consists of more than what will be covered under BASIC healthcare, then it will be up to the individual to find a healthcare plan/doctor/organization that will help them best with their personal issues.

That's a snazzy but of equivocation there. Regardless, most people think of "free" as "doesn't cost anything". Maybe you should use a different word if that's not what you mean.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

That's a snazzy but of equivocation there. Regardless, most people think of "free" as "doesn't cost anything". Maybe you should use a different word if that's not what you mean.

What word would you suggest?

"Free" is the current word of preference from all sides. So, thats what I use.

 

[dblack]

Our system wouldn't be like other countries.
It would still work the same as it does now.

ONLY difference is, ALL of your BASIC needs are paid for with YOUR/OUR tax dollars that have gone into the national healthcare pool.

So, if you don't pay taxes, your healthcare IS free. Or rather, someone else pays for it.

Not only would this cut a lot of price gouging out, it would allow everybody to find their own doctor who is subscribed to the national healthcare system.

How would it cut "price gouging"?

Anyone abusing the system would be cut off or fined.

So like people who smoke? Overeat, that sort of thing?

There would be safeguards in place.

What kind of "safeguards"?

 

[dblack]

What word would you suggest?

Communally funded?

"Free" is the current word of preference from all sides. So, thats what I use.

Not this one. Seems like you're playing word games to me.

 

[Greenbeard]

That means doctors and nurses have to work for free.

Just like cops and teachers work for free.