I will not Bow!

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep saying this, only because you mistakenly believe that both the Arab Palestinian and the Jewish Agency had to accept. And again, you would be wrong.

And, allocated is a misleading term. Land was allocated by the partition plan but since the plan was never implemented Israel never acquired that land.

(OBSERVATIONs)

4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.

Any dispute relating to the application or the interpretation of this declaration shall be referred, at the request of either party, to the International Court of Justice, unless the parties agree to another mode of settlement.

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

SOURCE: A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947

1. Summary

The delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. Our position on borders has undergone a significant transformation since 1948. Our national movement once laid claim to its rights over all of historic Palestine, an area that includes modern day Israel. Since 1988, however, in the interest of achieving peace and ending the conflict, we limited our national aspirations to statehood to 22 percent of historic Palestine, seeking a state of our own in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital (that is, all of the territory occupied by Israel in 1967). Despite this, Israel continues to create “facts on the ground,” building its Wall and more settlements amongst other things, grabbing more Palestinian land in violation of international law.​

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.
SOURCE: A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

SOURCE: Borders Summary

(COMMENT)

The salient points in the relevant passages are:

• The Jewish agency had a Provisional Council of Government ready prior to April 1948.
• The Arab Higher Committee did not invoke the dispute clause or bring an objection before the International Court of Justice.
• The Successor Government to the Mandatory, made a report and public declaration that the Mandate was implemented.
• The Palestinians agree to the international legitimacy of GA Resolution 181(II).
• The Palestinians agree to the recognition of the borders as those established by the Armistice Lines.

I hope this was a clarification you can agree with.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep saying this, only because you mistakenly believe that both the Arab Palestinian and the Jewish Agency had to accept. And again, you would be wrong.

And, allocated is a misleading term. Land was allocated by the partition plan but since the plan was never implemented Israel never acquired that land.

(OBSERVATIONs)

4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.

If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.



SOURCE: A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947

1. Summary

The delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. Our position on borders has undergone a significant transformation since 1948. Our national movement once laid claim to its rights over all of historic Palestine, an area that includes modern day Israel. Since 1988, however, in the interest of achieving peace and ending the conflict, we limited our national aspirations to statehood to 22 percent of historic Palestine, seeking a state of our own in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital (that is, all of the territory occupied by Israel in 1967). Despite this, Israel continues to create “facts on the ground,” building its Wall and more settlements amongst other things, grabbing more Palestinian land in violation of international law.​

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.
SOURCE: A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

SOURCE: Borders Summary

(COMMENT)

The salient points in the relevant passages are:

• The Jewish agency had a Provisional Council of Government ready prior to April 1948.
• The Arab Higher Committee did not invoke the dispute clause or bring an objection before the International Court of Justice.
• The Successor Government to the Mandatory, made a report and public declaration that the Mandate was implemented.
• The Palestinians agree to the international legitimacy of GA Resolution 181(II).
• The Palestinians agree to the recognition of the borders as those established by the Armistice Lines.

I hope this was a clarification you can agree with.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Successor Government to the Mandatory, made a report and public declaration that the Mandate was implemented.

You keep posting that. What was implemented?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The establishment of the Jewish State.

You keep posting that. What was implemented?

(COMMENT)

The portion of the Resolution agreed to by the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The establishment of the Jewish State.

You keep posting that. What was implemented?

(COMMENT)

The portion of the Resolution agreed to by the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

 

[Indeependent]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The establishment of the Jewish State.

You keep posting that. What was implemented?

(COMMENT)

The portion of the Resolution agreed to by the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

I think you need an audience with Netanyahu to clear the air.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The establishment of the Jewish State.


(COMMENT)

The portion of the Resolution agreed to by the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

I think you need an audience with Netanyahu to clear the air.

Cool, do you think you could schedule a televised debate?

 

[Indeependent]

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

I think you need an audience with Netanyahu to clear the air.

Cool, do you think you could schedule a televised debate?

Between you and Roccor where you constantly lose?
Or change strategies?
I think most people would tune out after 3 minutes.

 

[Sally]

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

I think you need an audience with Netanyahu to clear the air.

Cool, do you think you could schedule a televised debate?

Sure, Mr. Tinmore. It would probably go just like this debate.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixYEZ9M_dU]benjamin netanyahu 28 years old - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What are you talking about. What "foreign organization?"

The establishment of the Jewish State.

You keep posting that. What was implemented?

(COMMENT)

The portion of the Resolution agreed to by the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

(COMMENT)

Pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," the Provisional Government for the State of Israel declared independence.

CABLEGRAM DATED 15 MAY 1948 ADDRESSED TO THE
SECRETARY-GENERAL BY FOREIGN SECRETARY OF THE PROVISIONAL
GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL​

HAVE HONOUR INFORM YOU THAT NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR JEWISH STATE CONSISTING OF MEMBERS OF ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE JEWISH BODIES PALESTINE WHICH HAD APPLIED TO UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION FOR RECOGNITION AS PROVISIONAL COUNCIL GOVERNMENT UNDER PART ONE B FOUR OF RESOLUTION OF GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON NOVEMBER 29TH 1947 MET YESTERDAY MAY 14TH AND ISSUED PROCLAMATION DECLARING FOLLOWING “ON NOVEMBER 29 1947 GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF UNITED NATIONS ADOPTED RESOLUTION FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF INDEPENDENT JEWISH STATE IN PALESTINE AND CALLED UPON INHABITANTS OF COUNTRY TO TAKE SUCH STEPS AS MAY BE NECESSARY ON THEIR PART TO PUT THE PLAN INTO EFFECT.​

The UN Palestine Commission was the designated Successor Government. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

You know all this, yet use your questions to attempt to confuse the issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What are you talking about. What "foreign organization?"

The establishment of the Jewish State.


(COMMENT)

The portion of the Resolution agreed to by the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

(COMMENT)

Pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," the Provisional Government for the State of Israel declared independence.

CABLEGRAM DATED 15 MAY 1948 ADDRESSED TO THE
SECRETARY-GENERAL BY FOREIGN SECRETARY OF THE PROVISIONAL
GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL​

HAVE HONOUR INFORM YOU THAT NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR JEWISH STATE CONSISTING OF MEMBERS OF ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE JEWISH BODIES PALESTINE WHICH HAD APPLIED TO UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION FOR RECOGNITION AS PROVISIONAL COUNCIL GOVERNMENT UNDER PART ONE B FOUR OF RESOLUTION OF GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON NOVEMBER 29TH 1947 MET YESTERDAY MAY 14TH AND ISSUED PROCLAMATION DECLARING FOLLOWING “ON NOVEMBER 29 1947 GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF UNITED NATIONS ADOPTED RESOLUTION FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF INDEPENDENT JEWISH STATE IN PALESTINE AND CALLED UPON INHABITANTS OF COUNTRY TO TAKE SUCH STEPS AS MAY BE NECESSARY ON THEIR PART TO PUT THE PLAN INTO EFFECT.​

The UN Palestine Commission was the designated Successor Government. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

You know all this, yet use your questions to attempt to confuse the issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN Palestine Commission was the designated Successor Government.

Isn't it the duty of a government to protect its citizens?

Where was it when Israel was driving the Palestinians out of their homes?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The establishment of the Jewish State.

You keep posting that. What was implemented?

(COMMENT)

The portion of the Resolution agreed to by the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

LOL You're so full of propaganda shit.

Can you please show me the link you use to read about Israels DOI ?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What are you talking about. What "foreign organization?"

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

(COMMENT)

Pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," the Provisional Government for the State of Israel declared independence.

CABLEGRAM DATED 15 MAY 1948 ADDRESSED TO THE
SECRETARY-GENERAL BY FOREIGN SECRETARY OF THE PROVISIONAL
GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL​

HAVE HONOUR INFORM YOU THAT NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR JEWISH STATE CONSISTING OF MEMBERS OF ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE JEWISH BODIES PALESTINE WHICH HAD APPLIED TO UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION FOR RECOGNITION AS PROVISIONAL COUNCIL GOVERNMENT UNDER PART ONE B FOUR OF RESOLUTION OF GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON NOVEMBER 29TH 1947 MET YESTERDAY MAY 14TH AND ISSUED PROCLAMATION DECLARING FOLLOWING “ON NOVEMBER 29 1947 GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF UNITED NATIONS ADOPTED RESOLUTION FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF INDEPENDENT JEWISH STATE IN PALESTINE AND CALLED UPON INHABITANTS OF COUNTRY TO TAKE SUCH STEPS AS MAY BE NECESSARY ON THEIR PART TO PUT THE PLAN INTO EFFECT.​

The UN Palestine Commission was the designated Successor Government. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

You know all this, yet use your questions to attempt to confuse the issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN Palestine Commission was the designated Successor Government.

Isn't it the duty of a government to protect its citizens?

Where was it when Israel was driving the Palestinians out of their homes?

Why are you deflecting ??

 

[Hossfly]

I think you need an audience with Netanyahu to clear the air.

Cool, do you think you could schedule a televised debate?

Sure, Mr. Tinmore. It would probably go just like this debate.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixYEZ9M_dU]benjamin netanyahu 28 years old - YouTube[/ame]

Just your typical Netanyahu "shoot 'em out of the saddle" response. They don't stand a chance.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The establishment of the Jewish State.


(COMMENT)

The portion of the Resolution agreed to by the Jewish Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

LOL You're so full of propaganda shit.

Can you please show me the link you use to read about Israels DOI ?

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

My statement is correct.

 

[Hossfly]

Not true. Foreign organizations unilaterally declared Israel. The UN had nothing to do with it.

LOL You're so full of propaganda shit.

Can you please show me the link you use to read about Israels DOI ?

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

My statement is correct.

So what? The so called Palestinians are all immigrants too. From Syria, Egypt, Jordan. Get the picture?

 

[P F Tinmore]

LOL You're so full of propaganda shit.

Can you please show me the link you use to read about Israels DOI ?

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

My statement is correct.

So what? The so called Palestinians are all immigrants too. From Syria, Egypt, Jordan. Get the picture?

Not true, most Palestinians have ancestors who predate the Ottoman Empire.

I hear that a lot but the immigration statistics do not agree.

Actually, the Arab population declined from about 93% at the turn of the century to about 65% by 1948.

Edit: Nice deflection though.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

My statement is correct.

So what? The so called Palestinians are all immigrants too. From Syria, Egypt, Jordan. Get the picture?

Not true, most Palestinians have ancestors who predate the Ottoman Empire.

I hear that a lot but the immigration statistics do not agree.

Actually, the Arab population declined from about 93% at the turn of the century to about 65% by 1948.

Edit: Nice deflection though.

Which means you are correct (in your mind) OR victory67 is correct (in his mind) .
You can't BOTH be correct on this issue.

 

[Hossfly]

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

My statement is correct.

So what? The so called Palestinians are all immigrants too. From Syria, Egypt, Jordan. Get the picture?

Not true, most Palestinians have ancestors who predate the Ottoman Empire.

I hear that a lot but the immigration statistics do not agree.

Actually, the Arab population declined from about 93% at the turn of the century to about 65% by 1948.

Edit: Nice deflection though.

The Jews have ancestors who pre-date the Ottoman Empire, Arabs and Islam. Your move.

 

[Victory67]

The Jews have ancestors who pre-date the Ottoman Empire, Arabs and Islam. Your move.

Name one Jew, just one, who can traces his ancestors back to Palestine.

 

[Victory67]

So what? The so called Palestinians are all immigrants too. From Syria, Egypt, Jordan. Get the picture?

Research by Brits and Jews shows this to be false.