I will not Bow!

[MHunterB]

Once you've run - like the Pals did in 1948...

Once you've hidden behind the skirts of your women and children - like the Pals do in operating bases and rocket-launchers from within their civilian population centers...

It's a little hard to make a Dignity Comeback...

What about all the Jews who ran from the Muslim countries like rats after 1948?

Been watching Fritz Hippler films again, have you?

 

[Sally]

Once you've run - like the Pals did in 1948...

Once you've hidden behind the skirts of your women and children - like the Pals do in operating bases and rocket-launchers from within their civilian population centers...

It's a little hard to make a Dignity Comeback...

What about all the Jews who ran from the Muslim countries like rats after 1948?

Been watching Fritz Hippler films again, have you?

Say, let us mention all the Egyptian soldiers who left their footwear in the Sinai. If Victory had been born at that time, he might have left Gaza and joined those Egyptian soldiers who ran away from the Israelis. Maybe during his summer break from school, he can help out Al Qaeda in Gaza now.

 

[toastman]

What does that have to do with who ran despite overwhelming numbers in their favor?

Cowardice is no excuse for fleeing like a rat.

Your reading comprehension is pretty brutal.

The Jews who were expelled had no other choice, as they were surrounded in EVERY direction by over a billion of hostile Muslims

The 'Palestinians' ran in despite of being an overwhelming majority AND having the surrounding Arab states on their side. Now THAT'S what I call running away like a dirty rat

 

[toastman]

As were most Arabs in Palestine. The Jews still kicked them out.

They wish they did, of course.

Arab population of Israel went from more than a million to 156,000.

Thats called ethnic cleansing.

No, it's called running away like rats

 

[Victory67]

Your reading comprehension is pretty brutal.

The Jews who were expelled had no other choice, as they were surrounded in EVERY direction by over a billion of hostile Muslims

The 'Palestinians' ran in despite of being an overwhelming majority AND having the surrounding Arab states on their side. Now THAT'S what I call running away like a dirty rat

Now you're just lying. A good 50% of the so-called Jewish refugees left becuase they chose to leave. That's why Jews still live in Morocco, Iran, Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They wish they did, of course.

Arab population of Israel went from more than a million to 156,000.

Thats called ethnic cleansing.

No, it's called running away like rats

Actually it was Israel's military attacking Palestinian civilians.

 

[Indeependent]

They weren't running AWAY, they were running TOWARDS. And THAT'S what's killing you.

No, they ran away like rats. What's killing me is your anti-Semitism.

Its very sad to see.

Don't worry, the world is catching on to Israel.

 

[Kondor3]

Arab population of Israel went from more than a million to 156,000.

Thats called ethnic cleansing.

No, it's called running away like rats

Actually it was Israel's military attacking Palestinian civilians.

Given that Israel was a brand spanking new country without a military, and that it was relying upon militias that fought with each other as much as they fought with the Arabs, and given that the Arabs had militias of their own, this comes off as a damned weak attempt at excuse-making for running away like chickenshits and not standing their ground to defend home and hearth. Run away, lose the day.

 

[Indeependent]

No, it's called running away like rats

Actually it was Israel's military attacking Palestinian civilians.

Given that Israel was a brand spanking new country without a military, and that it was relying upon militias that fought with each other as much as they fought with the Arabs, and given that the Arabs had militias of their own, this comes off as a damned weak attempt at excuse-making for running away like chickenshits and not standing their ground to defend home and hearth. Run away, lose the day.

The Arab world, for the most part, was expecting a victorious Germany and thus never equipped their pawns for war.

 

[Kondor3]

Actually it was Israel's military attacking Palestinian civilians.

Given that Israel was a brand spanking new country without a military, and that it was relying upon militias that fought with each other as much as they fought with the Arabs, and given that the Arabs had militias of their own, this comes off as a damned weak attempt at excuse-making for running away like chickenshits and not standing their ground to defend home and hearth. Run away, lose the day.

The Arab world, for the most part, was expecting a victorious Germany and thus never equipped their pawns for war.

"Be prepared"

One ignores that maxim at one's own peril.

Not to mention that they had two years following the end of the War to conjure-up compensating strength.

I guess the Jews just wanted "it" (victory, a country of their own) more.

 

[Indeependent]

Given that Israel was a brand spanking new country without a military, and that it was relying upon militias that fought with each other as much as they fought with the Arabs, and given that the Arabs had militias of their own, this comes off as a damned weak attempt at excuse-making for running away like chickenshits and not standing their ground to defend home and hearth. Run away, lose the day.

The Arab world, for the most part, was expecting a victorious Germany and thus never equipped their pawns for war.

"Be prepared"

One ignores that maxim at one's own peril.

Not to mention that they had two years following the end of the War to conjure-up compensating strength.

I guess the Jews just wanted "it" (victory, a country of their own) more.

Certainly the surrounding Arab Monarchs were not going empower their pawns.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No, it's called running away like rats

Actually it was Israel's military attacking Palestinian civilians.

Given that Israel was a brand spanking new country without a military, and that it was relying upon militias that fought with each other as much as they fought with the Arabs, and given that the Arabs had militias of their own, this comes off as a damned weak attempt at excuse-making for running away like chickenshits and not standing their ground to defend home and hearth. Run away, lose the day.

Of course that is not true. Israel started conscripting troops in December of 1947.

Britain had destroyed most of the Palestinian militias.

 

[toastman]

Arab population of Israel went from more than a million to 156,000.

Thats called ethnic cleansing.

No, it's called running away like rats

Actually it was Israel's military attacking Palestinian civilians.

'Palestinian propaganda. Palestinian fled and were expelled during the 1947-48 Mandatory Palestine Civil War and again during the 1948 Arab - Israeli war

You know what a war is?? It's when BOTH sides are fighting each other. The difference is, the Jews won both wars. Had the Arabs won any of them, every single Jews would have been expelled. Stop whining because the Palestinians and Arabs kept losing wars they started..

You're too bias for anyone to believe what you say Tinmore.

 

[Kondor3]

Actually it was Israel's military attacking Palestinian civilians.

Given that Israel was a brand spanking new country without a military, and that it was relying upon militias that fought with each other as much as they fought with the Arabs, and given that the Arabs had militias of their own, this comes off as a damned weak attempt at excuse-making for running away like chickenshits and not standing their ground to defend home and hearth. Run away, lose the day.

Of course that is not true. Israel started conscripting troops in December of 1947.

Britain had destroyed most of the Palestinian militias.

Yes.

The Brits had disbanded most of the Palestinian militias and decapitated their leadership during the revolt of 1936.

The Jews had two (2) years.. 1945-1947... to build-up something viable, militarily.

The Arabs had had eleven (11) years... 1936-1947... to do the same...

Like I said, the Jews wanted the prize more than the Arabs, and hustled and did things in secret, to make it happen...

Major Arab Fail.

 

[toastman]

In other words, the Jews had their shit together, the Arabs didn't, specially during the 1948 war

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Any perceived disadvantage was purely an excuse on the part of poor military commanders and the ineptitude of the Arab Diplomatic Corps.

Actually it was Israel's military attacking Palestinian civilians.

Given that Israel was a brand spanking new country without a military, and that it was relying upon militias that fought with each other as much as they fought with the Arabs, and given that the Arabs had militias of their own, this comes off as a damned weak attempt at excuse-making for running away like chickenshits and not standing their ground to defend home and hearth. Run away, lose the day.

Of course that is not true. Israel started conscripting troops in December of 1947.

Britain had destroyed most of the Palestinian militias.

(COMMENT)

It was the intent of the UK to leave both sides equally disarmed; no police and no militia.

However, there were provisions in the Partition Plan for a militia.

8. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall, within the shortest time possible, recruit an armed militia from the residents of that State, sufficient in number to maintain internal order and to prevent frontier clashes.

This armed militia in each State shall, for operational purposes, be under the command of Jewish or Arab officers resident in that State, but general political and military control, including the choice of the militia's High Command, shall be exercised by the Commission.

SOURCE: A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947

The Arabs, having rejected participation in the implementation process, did not have the opportunity to set up the arrangements.

The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”​

No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948

After the outbreak of hostilities, the Security Council noted that:

Taking into consideration that the Provisional Government of Israel has indicated its acceptance in principle of a prolongation of the truce in Palestine; that the States members of the Arab League have rejected successive appeals of the United Nations Mediator, and of the Security Council in its resolution 53 (1948) of 7 July 1948, for the prolongation of the truce in Palestine; and that there has consequently developed a renewal of hostilities in Palestine,

1. Determines that the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace within the meaning of Article 39 of the Charter of the United Nations;

SOURCE: S/RES/54 (1948) S/902 15 July 1948

The Arab League, having refused - on several occasions - to accept a truce (noted above), only accepted the Armistice in 1949 when it was obvious they were at a military disadvantage on the battlefield; endanger of losing still more control over territory initially seized by force.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

Once you've run - like the Pals did in 1948...

Once you've hidden behind the skirts of your women and children - like the Pals do in operating bases and rocket-launchers from within their civilian population centers...

It's a little hard to make a Dignity Comeback...

What about all the Jews who ran from the Muslim countries like rats after 1948?

forced out by pogroms?

"Overall, the number of Jews fleeing Arab countries for Israel in the years following Israel’s independence was nearly double the number of Arabs leaving Palestine. The contrast between the Jewish refugees and the Palestinian refugees grows even starker considering the difference in cultural and geographic dislocation - most of the Jewish refugees traveled hundreds or thousands of miles to a tiny country whose inhabitants spoke a different language and lived with a vastly different culture. Most Palestinian refugees traveled but a few miles to the other side of the 1949 armistice lines while remaining inside a linguistically, culturally and ethnically similar society. " @



Jewish refugees from Arab lands: Don?t forget what we lost, too | The Economist

 

[Victory67]

forced out by pogroms?

"Overall, the number of Jews fleeing Arab countries for Israel in the years following Israel’s independence was nearly double the number of Arabs leaving Palestine. The contrast between the Jewish refugees and the Palestinian refugees grows even starker considering the difference in cultural and geographic dislocation - most of the Jewish refugees traveled hundreds or thousands of miles to a tiny country whose inhabitants spoke a different language and lived with a vastly different culture. Most Palestinian refugees traveled but a few miles to the other side of the 1949 armistice lines while remaining inside a linguistically, culturally and ethnically similar society. " @



Jewish refugees from Arab lands: Don?t forget what we lost, too | The Economist

Actually the numbers are pretty similar.

The difference is that Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran, didn't claim to be liberal Democracies and Israel did.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Given that Israel was a brand spanking new country without a military, and that it was relying upon militias that fought with each other as much as they fought with the Arabs, and given that the Arabs had militias of their own, this comes off as a damned weak attempt at excuse-making for running away like chickenshits and not standing their ground to defend home and hearth. Run away, lose the day.

Of course that is not true. Israel started conscripting troops in December of 1947.

Britain had destroyed most of the Palestinian militias.

Yes.

The Brits had disbanded most of the Palestinian militias and decapitated their leadership during the revolt of 1936.

It is true that most Palestinian leadership was imprisoned, exiled, or killed.

The Jews had two (2) years.. 1945-1947... to build-up something viable, militarily.

Not really. Britain allowed/assisted the Jews to form militias to protect their settlements since the 1920s. There were some problems after the 1939 White Paper because the Jews thought that Britain reneged on its promise of a Jewish state.

The Arabs had had eleven (11) years... 1936-1947... to do the same...

Not really, Britain stood on them to the end. Not to mention that Palestine was not being pumped full of foreign money like Israel.

Like I said, the Jews wanted the prize more than the Arabs, and hustled and did things in secret, to make it happen...

Major Arab Fail.

 

[Indeependent]

Of course that is not true. Israel started conscripting troops in December of 1947.

Britain had destroyed most of the Palestinian militias.

Yes.

The Brits had disbanded most of the Palestinian militias and decapitated their leadership during the revolt of 1936.

It is true that most Palestinian leadership was imprisoned, exiled, or killed.


Not really. Britain allowed/assisted the Jews to form militias to protect their settlements since the 1920s. There were some problems after the 1939 White Paper because the Jews thought that Britain reneged on its promise of a Jewish state.

The Arabs had had eleven (11) years... 1936-1947... to do the same...

Not really, Britain stood on them to the end. Not to mention that Palestine was not being pumped full of foreign money like Israel.

Major Arab Fail.

[/QUOTE]

Translation...Arabs don't give a damn about each other.
I couldn't have explained it any clearer.