I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

Nowhere does it say that it does not say anything about pre-existing rights., have you read the mandate text or are just blabbing BS you have heard? .

What it says is:

" in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

And what was done to prejudice the civil and religious rights?

Comedian I see.

Unable to answer the simple question I see. Cant find any evidence of any prejudice the non Jews just the Jews ?

 

[Phoenall]

The mandate clearly states that there was to be a Jewish Home IN PALESTINE, not a Jewish state...

Interpretation A: yours - a Jewish home - embedded within a nonexistent polity.

Interpretation B: theirs - a Jewish NATIONAL home - carved from the unincorporated region known loosely as Palestine.

It's an old argument.

Balfour (the foundation and basis for everything that followed) used the phrase 'Jewish NATIONAL home', not 'Jewish home'.

NATIONAL... as in 'NATION'...!!!

Making Interpretation B at least as valid as A; all bullshit weasel-like clarifications to the contrary notwithstanding.

Interpretation B has the added merit of having been brought to Reality by the 'side' that was more politically savvy and better-prepared, and now maintained by the will and determination of most of the Jews of the world, and the Israelis in particular.

The Jews changed their destiny by making Interpretation B the operative one in the Real World.


Insignificant and immaterial, for those subscribing to Interpretation B.

The absence of such mention may easily and meritoriously be set aside as an implicit assumption that these others would find their own destinies in those portions of Old Palestine which were NOT allocated to be part of the new Jewish NATIONAL homeland.

An easy work-around, for those who wish to use it.

"...The Mandate does require that the rights of the Christians and Muslims not be impinged IN PALESTINE..."

True.

Then again, neither Balfour nor its successor Intentions articulated in the Mandate had envisioned either (1) the Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948, as the Palestinians ran away and abandoned their lands, nor (2) repeated attacks by both neighboring Arab states and the Palestinians themselves, which served to abandon and set aside those rights, for all practical purposes, by not accepting the LON and UN proposals for a peaceful Partition, and forcing the Jews of Old Palestine to 'tweak' their implementation of the UN Proposal, for safety's sake, and conveniently supplying the Jews with the very rationale and basis and excuse they needed for undertaking that tweaking.

When you shoot at people, you must expect return fire.

When you start the shooting, and then lose, you cannot expect much sympathy.

Thus, the Muslim-Arab Palestinians find themselves in one helluva self-inflicted dilemma.

Palestine was never Britain's to give away.

And they didn't.

THEY DID AS SHOWN HERE

Article 5.





The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power.




(Britain then gave Transjordanian Palestine- about 70% of Palestine- to King Abdullah and called it Transjordan. It is now called Jordan. This is not to say that that the Jews were promised that they could settle in all of Palestine. Palestine was a loose regional term in those days and even included Damascus. See article 25 and chapter 11 on the Weizmann-Faisal agreement)

 

[Phoenall]

i Thus, the Muslim-Arab Palestinians find themselves in one helluva self-inflicted dilemma.

You don't think Irgun and Haganah terrorists killing Christian and Muslim women and children while ethnically cleansing Arab villages might have cause Palestinians to leave? You think it was self-inflicted?

Unbelievable. it's like you people have been living in a separate reality. This is such a biased forum, I've seen nothing like it. It is like Stormfront with an opposite point of view.

Not when there are transcripts of the arab armies radio announcements asking the muslims to leave so that the armies will not be hindered in the genocide of the Jews. They lost and so the arab muslims lost their homes for ever, get over it and demand that Saudi do something to relieve the hardships faced by the refugees.

 

[MrMax]

Arabs attacked and lost.

Moral of the story? Next time they should try another tactic rather than simply attacking.

 

[Phoenall]

Very good points, but I think that we are past the point where there is any possibility of the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. The Israelis in power don't want one and there are too many Jews now living in what could have been a sovereign Palestinian state. They cannot be moved out.

The Palestinians are slowly coming the realization that a sovereign Palestinian state is not longer a viable option.

From the Palestinian point of view, the best thing they can do is sit tight, peacefully protest their plight as people living under the control of Israel without any rights of a citizen of Israel and allow demographics to do what they will. It may be in a generation or two, but non-Jews will become the majority in the lands controlled by Israel, at which point it will become untenable for the Israelis to withhold rights and citizenship to the non-Jews under their control.

Population transfer will not happen. Not even the U.S. would condone such an action.

In the meantime a few more generations of Palestinians will wallow in that self-imposed plight, whining about Israel's policies while hoping that someday Israel may grant them citizenship. Not the smartest path to a bright future. As Kondor notes, what is available to them is shrinking as we post. They may realize the folly of their ways, accept some compromise, and then become an independent territory of a neighboring Arab State like Jordan. Israel will not commit demographic suicide and to suggest the Palestinians continue to kick the bet with their "pair of deuces" while Israel is showing aces is not just silliness, it's criminal.

Israel will have little choice. Even the U.S. eventually abandoned its support for South Africa which at the time was strategically more important.

YOU LOST IN 1948, 1967 and again in 1973. Israel has all the choices, it is the arab muslims that are running out of choices. Even the other arabs are turning their backs on the Palestinians and once Syria loses to an arab winter like Egypt has it only leaves iran.

 

[Phoenall]

Comedian I see.

You're stuck for a response. Thought so.

You were serious. The Israelis murdered thousands of civilian Christians and Muslims, destroyed their towns and villages, poisoned their wells drove them out of Palestine. And you ask what civil rights were prejudiced?

Evidence from a non partisan palestinian source that shows thousands murdered by the Israelis ( this means post 1949 as that was when Israel became a Nation, prior to this it was fighting a war against arab colonists and land thieves.)

 

[aris2chat]

And according to the San Remo Mandate the British were obliged to facilitate the Jews settling in the Palestine.

And it was also to assist the immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship. These citizens would be on equal footing with the other Palestinians in Palestine.

An exclusive Jewish state was not a part of the plan.

San Remo's Mandate: Israel's 'Magna Carta' - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
San Remo Resolution - Council on Foreign Relations

 

[Phoenall]

Very good points, but I think that we are past the point where there is any possibility of the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. The Israelis in power don't want one and there are too many Jews now living in what could have been a sovereign Palestinian state. They cannot be moved out.

The Palestinians are slowly coming the realization that a sovereign Palestinian state is not longer a viable option.

From the Palestinian point of view, the best thing they can do is sit tight, peacefully protest their plight as people living under the control of Israel without any rights of a citizen of Israel and allow demographics to do what they will. It may be in a generation or two, but non-Jews will become the majority in the lands controlled by Israel, at which point it will become untenable for the Israelis to withhold rights and citizenship to the non-Jews under their control.

Population transfer will not happen. Not even the U.S. would condone such an action.

The US would not have a say in the matter, just look at the break up of Yugoslavia, Sudan and Darfur

Neither Yugoslavia or Sudan was receiving massive U.S. financial and diplomatic support. Israel would be sanctioned to bankruptcy if it carried out ethnic cleansing and/or genocide.

IRRELEVANT to the subject matter population transfer has taken place in other parts of the world with not a peep out of any world power.
Why hasn't the P.A been sanctioned to bankruptcy for its ethnic cleansing and genocide of Christians. I have given you many examples from a Christian website to show the extent of the problem.

 

[SAYIT]

Very good points, but I think that we are past the point where there is any possibility of the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. The Israelis in power don't want one and there are too many Jews now living in what could have been a sovereign Palestinian state. They cannot be moved out.

The Palestinians are slowly coming the realization that a sovereign Palestinian state is not longer a viable option.

From the Palestinian point of view, the best thing they can do is sit tight, peacefully protest their plight as people living under the control of Israel without any rights of a citizen of Israel and allow demographics to do what they will. It may be in a generation or two, but non-Jews will become the majority in the lands controlled by Israel, at which point it will become untenable for the Israelis to withhold rights and citizenship to the non-Jews under their control.

Population transfer will not happen. Not even the U.S. would condone such an action.

The US would not have a say in the matter, just look at the break up of Yugoslavia, Sudan and Darfur

Neither Yugoslavia or Sudan was receiving massive U.S. financial and diplomatic support. Israel would be sanctioned to bankruptcy if it carried out ethnic cleansing and/or genocide.

Your dream is based on a false premise. Israeli "controlled" lands are not Israel and do not require Israeli citizenship for the inhabitants who can, with a bit of work, establish a "long desired" national home of their own. They just can't have Israel.

 

[montelatici]

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

The mandate clearly states that there was to be a Jewish Home IN PALESTINE, not a Jewish state. The mandate only discusses Palestine, no other countries are mentioned for the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. The Mandate does require that the rights of the Christians and Muslims not be impinged IN PALESTINE.

Where do you come off making outrageous claims when the opposite of what you say is written in black and white and presented to you on a platter?

And the Palestine that is mentioned is what is now Lebanon, Syria, trans Jordan and Israel. And you are wrong on your premise that the mandate only states Christians and muslims as it also gives the same rights to the Jews. So you see little boy when the mandate created Syria from the land of Palestine and then created trans Jordan it defined the rights of the Jews in those new nations under British control. Neither became an independent state until after Israel was recognised and were both still part of the British and French mandate of Palestine. Have you read the full terms of the mandate and seen exactly what it contains.
Things like this

or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;

Article 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 5.





The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power.

(Britain then gave Transjordanian Palestine- about 70% of Palestine- to King Abdullah and called it Transjordan. It is now called Jordan. This is not to say that that the Jews were promised that they could settle in all of Palestine. Palestine was a loose regional term in those days and even included Damascus. See article 25 and chapter 11 on the Weizmann-Faisal agreement)

Article 6.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

(destroys your European invasion theory and islamonazi lies)

Article 7.

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine

Article 25.

In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine

(Palestine originally included land in what is now Jordan)

as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions,

(Jewish immigration east of the Jordan might be put on hold if the Mandate authorities thought it inapplicable.)

and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

The San Remo agreement 1920

So you see the mandate says that Jordan is part of Palestine and that it was given to the hashemites illegally

1. The Palestine that was mentioned did not include anything but Palestine. Syria and Lebanon were the subject of the French Mandate.

2. (destroys your European invasion theory and islamonazi lies) Were the Jews not from Europe? Were they from Mars? It really doesn't matter to the indigenous people that a European country authorizes immigration of Europeans, it is still an invasion. Do you think the native americans were any less concerned about the arrival of the Europeans because the British and Spanish crowns authorized the settlement by Europeans. It was an invasion.

3. (Palestine originally included land in what is now Jordan)


Jordan was included in the unsigned draft of the Palestine Mandate for eight months, from July 1920 to March 1921 when Trans-Jordan was given to the Hashemites. The League of Nations gave the mandatory responsibility only in July 1922, after Trans-Jordan had already been transferred. (Note the date of signing it is in black and white).

Prince Abdullah was handed the state of Transjordan by the British in 1921

Transjordan and Israel: Examining the Foundations of a Special Relationship - Student Pulse

 

[Sally]

By the way Kondor you are probably the most partisan hack I have dealt with. You compare to the famous Sciroco on another forum. He expresses the same point of view and is the forum's laughingstock.

Thank you for your feedback.

Kondor is like one of those Danish or Dutch people who save Jews during the Holocaust. A righteous Gentile.

That is a great comparison, and I think most of the readers realize how intelligent he is. Meanwhile the other poster sounds like she is doing her term project for some class in her madrassa. I wonder what grade she will great for all her hard work.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Thank you for your feedback.

Kondor is like one of those Danish or Dutch people who save Jews during the Holocaust. A righteous Gentile.

That is a great comparison, and I think most of the readers realize how intelligent he is. Meanwhile the other poster sounds like she is doing her term project for some class in her madrassa. I wonder what grade she will great for all her hard work.

Definitely out of his/her league with USMB, as can be shown from time to time with his/her lies, dodging questions, absences from the forum when asked for proof etc. He/she even mentioned another forum's message board a couple of days ago.

 

[montelatici]

The US would not have a say in the matter, just look at the break up of Yugoslavia, Sudan and Darfur

Neither Yugoslavia or Sudan was receiving massive U.S. financial and diplomatic support. Israel would be sanctioned to bankruptcy if it carried out ethnic cleansing and/or genocide.

Your dream is based on a false premise. Israeli "controlled" lands are not Israel and do not require Israeli citizenship for the inhabitants who can, with a bit of work, establish a "long desired" national home of their own. They just can't have Israel.

The South Africans tried that ploy with the Bantustans. Doesn't work.

 

[Sally]

Neither Yugoslavia or Sudan was receiving massive U.S. financial and diplomatic support. Israel would be sanctioned to bankruptcy if it carried out ethnic cleansing and/or genocide.

Your dream is based on a false premise. Israeli "controlled" lands are not Israel and do not require Israeli citizenship for the inhabitants who can, with a bit of work, establish a "long desired" national home of their own. They just can't have Israel.

The South Africans tried that ploy with the Bantustans. Doesn't work.

Oh, if only montelatici had to spend a year in Soweto to experience real apartheid.

 

[MHunterB]

Nowhere does it say that it does not say anything about pre-existing rights., have you read the mandate text or are just blabbing BS you have heard? .

What it says is:

" in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

And what was done to prejudice the civil and religious rights?

How about kicking hundreds of thousands of people out of their homes for starters?

The Arab League nations had that policy towards their Jewish citizens: why do you never take issue with their actions?

 

[Phoenall]

The mandate clearly states that there was to be a Jewish Home IN PALESTINE, not a Jewish state. The mandate only discusses Palestine, no other countries are mentioned for the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. The Mandate does require that the rights of the Christians and Muslims not be impinged IN PALESTINE.

Where do you come off making outrageous claims when the opposite of what you say is written in black and white and presented to you on a platter?

And the Palestine that is mentioned is what is now Lebanon, Syria, trans Jordan and Israel. And you are wrong on your premise that the mandate only states Christians and muslims as it also gives the same rights to the Jews. So you see little boy when the mandate created Syria from the land of Palestine and then created trans Jordan it defined the rights of the Jews in those new nations under British control. Neither became an independent state until after Israel was recognised and were both still part of the British and French mandate of Palestine. Have you read the full terms of the mandate and seen exactly what it contains.
Things like this

or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;

Article 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 5.





The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power.

(Britain then gave Transjordanian Palestine- about 70% of Palestine- to King Abdullah and called it Transjordan. It is now called Jordan. This is not to say that that the Jews were promised that they could settle in all of Palestine. Palestine was a loose regional term in those days and even included Damascus. See article 25 and chapter 11 on the Weizmann-Faisal agreement)

Article 6.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

(destroys your European invasion theory and islamonazi lies)

Article 7.

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine

Article 25.

In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine

(Palestine originally included land in what is now Jordan)

as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions,

(Jewish immigration east of the Jordan might be put on hold if the Mandate authorities thought it inapplicable.)

and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

The San Remo agreement 1920

So you see the mandate says that Jordan is part of Palestine and that it was given to the hashemites illegally

1. The Palestine that was mentioned did not include anything but Palestine. Syria and Lebanon were the subject of the French Mandate.

2. (destroys your European invasion theory and islamonazi lies) Were the Jews not from Europe? Were they from Mars? It really doesn't matter to the indigenous people that a European country authorizes immigration of Europeans, it is still an invasion. Do you think the native americans were any less concerned about the arrival of the Europeans because the British and Spanish crowns authorized the settlement by Europeans. It was an invasion.

3. (Palestine originally included land in what is now Jordan)


Jordan was included in the unsigned draft of the Palestine Mandate for eight months, from July 1920 to March 1921 when Trans-Jordan was given to the Hashemites. The League of Nations gave the mandatory responsibility only in July 1922, after Trans-Jordan had already been transferred. (Note the date of signing it is in black and white).

Prince Abdullah was handed the state of Transjordan by the British in 1921

Transjordan and Israel: Examining the Foundations of a Special Relationship - Student Pulse

Correct the Palestine that existed in 1920 that included what is now Syria and Transjordan

Of no consequence as the mandate was set up to facilitate the migration of Jews from around the world back to their historic home as this shows

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.


Read again another article from the mandate

In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine

(Palestine originally included land in what is now Jordan)

as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions,



The draft was agreed in 1920 and was sat on to allow Jordan to take power , but it was still controlled by Britain until 1949

 

[Phoenall]

Neither Yugoslavia or Sudan was receiving massive U.S. financial and diplomatic support. Israel would be sanctioned to bankruptcy if it carried out ethnic cleansing and/or genocide.

Your dream is based on a false premise. Israeli "controlled" lands are not Israel and do not require Israeli citizenship for the inhabitants who can, with a bit of work, establish a "long desired" national home of their own. They just can't have Israel.

The South Africans tried that ploy with the Bantustans. Doesn't work.

Why cant you practise what you preach and stay on topic.........

 

[montelatici]

Your dream is based on a false premise. Israeli "controlled" lands are not Israel and do not require Israeli citizenship for the inhabitants who can, with a bit of work, establish a "long desired" national home of their own. They just can't have Israel.

The South Africans tried that ploy with the Bantustans. Doesn't work.

Why cant you practise what you preach and stay on topic.........

It is analogous situation, i.e. to claim that people are not citizens of a country, but over which a country has effective sovereign control. Doesn't work.

 

[MHunterB]

It is amazing to read that pro-Israelis are concerned about anti_israeli bias in the media. If any people/country have gotten a pass in the U.S. media it is Israel and the Jewish majority in Israel. Americans are basically brainwashed from childhood to believe that Israel (the world's 5th or 6th military power) is a poor little country under threat from powerful Arab powers. That could not be further from the truth.
Israel's Jews oppress millions of non-Jews just because of their religion, and that's a fact.

And just how does "oppression" take place? Are there signs on the beaches of Tel Aviv saying 'No dogs or non-Jews allowed'? Do towns in Israel have signs saying "Muslims/Christians, don't let the sun set on you here'? Do Israelis picnic at lynchings of Muslims and Christians, and make picture postcards for soveniers?

 

[montelatici]

It is amazing to read that pro-Israelis are concerned about anti_israeli bias in the media. If any people/country have gotten a pass in the U.S. media it is Israel and the Jewish majority in Israel. Americans are basically brainwashed from childhood to believe that Israel (the world's 5th or 6th military power) is a poor little country under threat from powerful Arab powers. That could not be further from the truth.
Israel's Jews oppress millions of non-Jews just because of their religion, and that's a fact.

And just how does "oppression" take place? Are there signs on the beaches of Tel Aviv saying 'No dogs or non-Jews allowed'? Do towns in Israel have signs saying "Muslims/Christians, don't let the sun set on you here'? Do Israelis picnic at lynchings of Muslims and Christians, and make picture postcards for soveniers?

Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."