I will not Bow!

[Sweet_Caroline]

And according to the San Remo Mandate the British were obliged to facilitate the Jews settling in the Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't know what the 2.000 years of pograms have to do with my hypothesis that Nazi occupied countries would have behaved like Italy and Italians had they been free to do so.

Yes you do.

You're just being obtuse.

But I will spell it out for you, nonetheless.

The 2000 years of pogroms, persecutions, expulsions and massacres of Jews, correlate to the mindset of the Europeans of those times, and the undercurrent of anti-Semitism still highly extant and operative across the European continent at the time of the Holocaust.

Translation: Any collection of peoples whose culture and traditions and society are deeply immersed in a centuries-old persecution of another, are far more likely, as a people, to support and participate in any attempt to actually exterminate the target population.

And, if you cannot see that correlation, then I doubt that anything else that I say in that regard will prove efficacious.

Well, that means that you believe that white Americans, because of the history, could easily return to lynching blacks. I don't think so.

Don't you, well if the civil rights laws were repealed and the old race laws reinstated you would see an upsurge in attacks on blacks. But you miss the point that 2000 years of state sanctioned hatred for the Jews is a hard thing to abolish overnight. The muslims have only been practising it for 1400 years and they have it as a religious command so it will be there when the Sun goes cold. Just look at your own all consuming hatred for the Jews and explain why you feel that way ?

 

[Phoenall]

Well, that means that you believe that white Americans, because of the history, could easily return to lynching blacks. I don't think so.

That sort of persecution only lasted 200-400 years, not 2000.

And it was not based on the idea that Blacks had killed the Son of God, nor was it based upon the idea that Blacks controlled Commerce and Banking, nor was it based upon the idea that Blacks kept to themselves and were therefore suspect, nor was it based upon the idea that Blacks were an insidious parasitical drain upon Western civilization, as the Jews had unfairly been attributed as being.

Apples and oranges, and a Major League -caliber faux analogy.

Our colleague's original observation about long-running, deep-running anti-Semitism in Europe is a well-documented and incontrovertible and unassailable fact, despite your protestations to the contrary, and her observation stands - having sufficient merit and substance to do so regardless of your attempted (and failed) assault on its veracity.

End of seqeuence.

So, if something lasts 400-500 years it is different from lasting 2,000 years. I see.

No you don't see, that is the problem. Imagine facing the hatred you spew out for the Jews every day of your life for no other reason than you are alive. That is your all consuming hate of the Jews

 

[P F Tinmore]

And according to the San Remo Mandate the British were obliged to facilitate the Jews settling in the Palestine.

And it was also to assist the immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship. These citizens would be on equal footing with the other Palestinians in Palestine.

An exclusive Jewish state was not a part of the plan.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

And according to the San Remo Mandate the British were obliged to facilitate the Jews settling in the Palestine.

And it was also to assist the immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship. These citizens would be on equal footing with the other Palestinians in Palestine.

An exclusive Jewish state was not a part of the plan.

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And according to the San Remo Mandate the British were obliged to facilitate the Jews settling in the Palestine.

And it was also to assist the immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship. These citizens would be on equal footing with the other Palestinians in Palestine.

An exclusive Jewish state was not a part of the plan.

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

Indeed, it has been said many times but it is not true.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

And it was also to assist the immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship. These citizens would be on equal footing with the other Palestinians in Palestine.

An exclusive Jewish state was not a part of the plan.

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

Indeed, it has been said many times but it is not true.

Of course it is true. Why deny what happened, unless you want it not to be so.

 

[Kondor3]

Both sides can argue their Starting Position with some considerable merit.

Which, in the end, gets us nowhere.

In the Real World, the situation is what it is.

And, when both sides dig in their heels and will not compromise in the practical world...

That leaves very little to do but deal with Reality rather than what might have been.

The reality of the situation is, that Israel has the upper hand, and will continue to hold it.

A high-end straight flush, as opposed to the pair of deuces that the Palestinians are holding.

Like fools, the Palestinians keep 'kicking' the bet with that pair of deuces, rather than simply 'calling'.

And, of course, the Israelis, with their vastly superior hand, keep 'kicking' the pot again.

And, of course, the Israelis have a far bigger stack of chips to play with, as well.

As the scattered collection of Palestinian-held lands continues to rapidly evaporate and shrink towards oblivion, until the Palestinians are damned-near standing on top of each others' shoulders...

The Palestinians are rapidly running out of chips, but they're so deep into this betting sequence that it's like an addiction... they know, intellectually, that they're going to lose, but, subconsciously, they can't help themselves, and keep bumping the pot...

Time to simply 'call' the bet, next round, cut their losses, and walk away from the table with at least a few chips left to their name...

They could have saved themselves the time and trouble, and a shitload of chips, but their inexperience and political immaturity and lack of common-sense and cohesion have cost them dearly...

They need someone sane, to arise as a leader, to take them away from all this, and lead them into some other land that will have them, as new and valued members of a different society...

I'm sure that the entire world - and even the Jews - would be more than happy to kick in a few score billions of dollars, to see them safely shifted elsewhere, and set up with enough to make a new and good start - to build new and far happier lives - something akin to Compensation, or Wargeld...

There is no way that the Palestinians walk away from the poker table, victorious - no way.

Compromise, or Population Transfer coupled with Compensation - are the only practical solutions to their desperate, self-inflicted plight.

The only alternative is that the Palestinians will lose everything - a state of affairs that is rapidly approaching on the timeline for all of this.

Losers, in a lost cause, beating a dead horse, to no practical and useful purpose.

It's over.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Excellent viewpoint Kondor.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

Indeed, it has been said many times but it is not true.

Of course it is true. Why deny what happened, unless you want it not to be so.

I don't deny what happened. What happened was not what was supposed to be. It is Israel that denies what happened.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Indeed, it has been said many times but it is not true.

Of course it is true. Why deny what happened, unless you want it not to be so.

I don't deny what happened. What happened was not what was supposed to be. It is Israel that denies what happened.

What do you mean it was not what was supposed to be?

 

[montelatici]

And according to the San Remo Mandate the British were obliged to facilitate the Jews settling in the Palestine.

And it was also to assist the immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship. These citizens would be on equal footing with the other Palestinians in Palestine.

An exclusive Jewish state was not a part of the plan.

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

The mandate clearly states that there was to be a Jewish Home IN PALESTINE, not a Jewish state. The mandate only discusses Palestine, no other countries are mentioned for the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. The Mandate does require that the rights of the Christians and Muslims not be impinged IN PALESTINE.

Where do you come off making outrageous claims when the opposite of what you say is written in black and white and presented to you on a platter?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

And it was also to assist the immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship. These citizens would be on equal footing with the other Palestinians in Palestine.

An exclusive Jewish state was not a part of the plan.

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

The mandate clearly states that there was to be a Jewish Home IN PALESTINE, not a Jewish state. The mandate only discusses Palestine, no other countries are mentioned for the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. The Mandate does require that the rights of the Christians and Muslims not be impinged IN PALESTINE.

Where do you come off making outrageous claims when the opposite of what you say is written in black and white and presented to you on a platter?

The land was reconstituted as a home for the Jews recognizing their pre-existing right to that land. The arabs were given the same rights in other countries.

 

[montelatici]

Both sides can argue their Starting Position with some considerable merit.

Which, in the end, gets us nowhere.

In the Real World, the situation is what it is.

And, when both sides dig in their heels and will not compromise in the practical world...

That leaves very little to do but deal with Reality rather than what might have been.

The reality of the situation is, that Israel has the upper hand, and will continue to hold it.

A high-end straight flush, as opposed to the pair of deuces that the Palestinians are holding.

Like fools, the Palestinians keep 'kicking' the bet with that pair of deuces, rather than simply 'calling'.

And, of course, the Israelis, with their vastly superior hand, keep 'kicking' the pot again.

And, of course, the Israelis have a far bigger stack of chips to play with, as well.

As the scattered collection of Palestinian-held lands continues to rapidly evaporate and shrink towards oblivion, until the Palestinians are damned-near standing on top of each others' shoulders...

The Palestinians are rapidly running out of chips, but they're so deep into this betting sequence that it's like an addiction... they know, intellectually, that they're going to lose, but, subconsciously, they can't help themselves, and keep bumping the pot...

Time to simply 'call' the bet, next round, cut their losses, and walk away from the table with at least a few chips left to their name...

They could have saved themselves the time and trouble, and a shitload of chips, but their inexperience and political immaturity and lack of common-sense and cohesion have cost them dearly...

They need someone sane, to arise as a leader, to take them away from all this, and lead them into some other land that will have them, as new and valued members of a different society...

I'm sure that the entire world - and even the Jews - would be more than happy to kick in a few score billions of dollars, to see them safely shifted elsewhere, and set up with enough to make a new and good start - to build new and far happier lives - something akin to Compensation, or Wargeld...

There is no way that the Palestinians walk away from the poker table, victorious - no way.

Compromise, or Population Transfer coupled with Compensation - are the only practical solutions to their desperate, self-inflicted plight.

The only alternative is that the Palestinians will lose everything - a state of affairs that is rapidly approaching on the timeline for all of this.

Losers, in a lost cause, beating a dead horse, to no practical and useful purpose.

It's over.

Very good points, but I think that we are past the point where there is any possibility of the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. The Israelis in power don't want one and there are too many Jews now living in what could have been a sovereign Palestinian state. They cannot be moved out.

The Palestinians are slowly coming the realization that a sovereign Palestinian state is not longer a viable option.

From the Palestinian point of view, the best thing they can do is sit tight, peacefully protest their plight as people living under the control of Israel without any rights of a citizen of Israel and allow demographics to do what they will. It may be in a generation or two, but non-Jews will become the majority in the lands controlled by Israel, at which point it will become untenable for the Israelis to withhold rights and citizenship to the non-Jews under their control.

Population transfer will not happen. Not even the U.S. would condone such an action.

 

[montelatici]

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

The mandate clearly states that there was to be a Jewish Home IN PALESTINE, not a Jewish state. The mandate only discusses Palestine, no other countries are mentioned for the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. The Mandate does require that the rights of the Christians and Muslims not be impinged IN PALESTINE.

Where do you come off making outrageous claims when the opposite of what you say is written in black and white and presented to you on a platter?

The land was reconstituted as a home for the Jews recognizing their pre-existing right to that land. The arabs were given the same rights in other countries.

Nowhere does it say that it does not say anything about pre-existing rights., have you read the mandate text or are just blabbing BS you have heard? .

What it says is:

" in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The mandate clearly states that there was to be a Jewish Home IN PALESTINE, not a Jewish state. The mandate only discusses Palestine, no other countries are mentioned for the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. The Mandate does require that the rights of the Christians and Muslims not be impinged IN PALESTINE.

Where do you come off making outrageous claims when the opposite of what you say is written in black and white and presented to you on a platter?

The land was reconstituted as a home for the Jews recognizing their pre-existing right to that land. The arabs were given the same rights in other countries.

Nowhere does it say that it does not say anything about pre-existing rights., have you read the mandate text or are just blabbing BS you have heard? .

What it says is:

" in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

And what was done to prejudice the civil and religious rights?

 

[toastman]

And it was also to assist the immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship. These citizens would be on equal footing with the other Palestinians in Palestine.

An exclusive Jewish state was not a part of the plan.

Palestine was to be a Jewish state. The Arabs were given their own countries. You know that and it has been told to you many times.

The mandate clearly states that there was to be a Jewish Home IN PALESTINE, not a Jewish state. The mandate only discusses Palestine, no other countries are mentioned for the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. The Mandate does require that the rights of the Christians and Muslims not be impinged IN PALESTINE.

Where do you come off making outrageous claims when the opposite of what you say is written in black and white and presented to you on a platter?

But there is a Jewish State now, and it's called Israel. And the same country that assigned the Mandate also recognized Israel's declaration of independence.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The land was reconstituted as a home for the Jews recognizing their pre-existing right to that land. The arabs were given the same rights in other countries.

Nowhere does it say that it does not say anything about pre-existing rights., have you read the mandate text or are just blabbing BS you have heard? .

What it says is:

" in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

And what was done to prejudice the civil and religious rights?

How about kicking hundreds of thousands of people out of their homes for starters?

 

[montelatici]

The land was reconstituted as a home for the Jews recognizing their pre-existing right to that land. The arabs were given the same rights in other countries.

Nowhere does it say that it does not say anything about pre-existing rights., have you read the mandate text or are just blabbing BS you have heard? .

What it says is:

" in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

And what was done to prejudice the civil and religious rights?

Comedian I see.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Nowhere does it say that it does not say anything about pre-existing rights., have you read the mandate text or are just blabbing BS you have heard? .

What it says is:

" in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

And what was done to prejudice the civil and religious rights?

Comedian I see.

You're stuck for a response. Thought so.