I will not Bow!

[Kondor3]

Sounds like the Palestinians haven't figured out yet that they're being driven out and can't stop it and haven't gotten off their asses yet and moved away...

It is amazing to read that pro-Israelis are concerned about anti_israeli bias in the media. If any people/country have gotten a pass in the U.S. media it is Israel and the Jewish majority in Israel. Americans are basically brainwashed from childhood to believe that Israel (the world's 5th or 6th military power) is a poor little country under threat from powerful Arab powers. That could not be further from the truth.
Israel's Jews oppress millions of non-Jews just because of their religion, and that's a fact.

And just how does "oppression" take place? Are there signs on the beaches of Tel Aviv saying 'No dogs or non-Jews allowed'? Do towns in Israel have signs saying "Muslims/Christians, don't let the sun set on you here'? Do Israelis picnic at lynchings of Muslims and Christians, and make picture postcards for soveniers?

Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

 

[montelatici]

Sounds like the Palestinians haven't figured out yet that they're being driven out and can't stop it and haven't gotten off their asses yet and moved away...

And just how does "oppression" take place? Are there signs on the beaches of Tel Aviv saying 'No dogs or non-Jews allowed'? Do towns in Israel have signs saying "Muslims/Christians, don't let the sun set on you here'? Do Israelis picnic at lynchings of Muslims and Christians, and make picture postcards for soveniers?

Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

The Palestinians aren't going anywhere.

 

[Kondor3]

Sounds like the Palestinians haven't figured out yet that they're being driven out and can't stop it and haven't gotten off their asses yet and moved away...

Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

The Palestinians aren't going anywhere.

The Palestinians own propaganda maps tell us a different story...

 

[montelatici]

"MOSCOVITCH: Annexation of the West Bank to Israel would substantially skyrocket Arab population numbers, and the birth rates of non-Jews would remain high and potentially surpass the Jewish Israeli population. For this reason, it is imperative that Israel not annex the West Bank and negotiate a comprehensive peace with the Palestinians to ensure Israeli security and provide the Palestinians with sovereignty in their own state.

Without a two-state solution and the annexation of the Palestinian population of the West Bank, Israel will eventually turn into a single, bi-national state that would dissolve Israel's Jewish identity."

High Arab birth rate in Israel raises concerns about country?s Jewish identity

 

[Kondor3]

When the Palestinians are standing five high on each others' shoulders, because they're squeezed onto something the size of a postage stamp, they'll leave...

The Reconquista continues apace, and accelerates...

 

[aris2chat]

It is amazing to read that pro-Israelis are concerned about anti_israeli bias in the media. If any people/country have gotten a pass in the U.S. media it is Israel and the Jewish majority in Israel. Americans are basically brainwashed from childhood to believe that Israel (the world's 5th or 6th military power) is a poor little country under threat from powerful Arab powers. That could not be further from the truth.
Israel's Jews oppress millions of non-Jews just because of their religion, and that's a fact.

And just how does "oppression" take place? Are there signs on the beaches of Tel Aviv saying 'No dogs or non-Jews allowed'? Do towns in Israel have signs saying "Muslims/Christians, don't let the sun set on you here'? Do Israelis picnic at lynchings of Muslims and Christians, and make picture postcards for soveniers?

Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

Peaceful assembly laws in Israel are not the same as the US. A demonstration of protest would need a permit. Palestinian protesting in the WB or gaza are under completely different laws than Israel. I doubt that a palestinian can just protest in Israeli control territory without permit.
Tamimi has been out for a year. A member of his family is guilty of killing a settler in the WB.
As for the Bedouin villages, they are living in substandard conditions where services cannot be provided for them. They have gone through years of legal battles and they must be moved to recognized villages. Where they were was only a temporary location and never owned by them or intended to be permanent. They are only being moved a short distance down the road where they will have water, sewage, garbage pickup, schools, healthcare and electricity. There are minimum standards for housing for health and safety that are not met in a shanty tent dwelling without proper water or sanitary conditions.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

And just how does "oppression" take place? Are there signs on the beaches of Tel Aviv saying 'No dogs or non-Jews allowed'? Do towns in Israel have signs saying "Muslims/Christians, don't let the sun set on you here'? Do Israelis picnic at lynchings of Muslims and Christians, and make picture postcards for soveniers?

Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

Peaceful assembly laws in Israel are not the same as the US. A demonstration of protest would need a permit. Palestinian protesting in the WB or gaza are under completely different laws than Israel. I doubt that a palestinian can just protest in Israeli control territory without permit.
Tamimi has been out for a year. A member of his family is guilty of killing a settler in the WB.
As for the Bedouin villages, they are living in substandard conditions where services cannot be provided for them. They have gone through years of legal battles and they must be moved to recognized villages. Where they were was only a temporary location and never owned by them or intended to be permanent. They are only being moved a short distance down the road where they will have water, sewage, garbage pickup, schools, healthcare and electricity. There are minimum standards for housing for health and safety that are not met in a shanty tent dwelling without proper water or sanitary conditions.

If the Bedouins want to live in third-world accommodations, why don't they move to Ethiopia? Whenever there's a black-out, it sucks for me. And they complain just because Israel wants to improve their lives.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

When the Palestinians are standing five high on each others' shoulders, because they're squeezed onto something the size of a postage stamp, they'll leave...

The Reconquista continues apace, and accelerates...

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

 

[Kondor3]

When the Palestinians are standing five high on each others' shoulders, because they're squeezed onto something the size of a postage stamp, they'll leave...

The Reconquista continues apace, and accelerates...

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

 

[montelatici]

When the Palestinians are standing five high on each others' shoulders, because they're squeezed onto something the size of a postage stamp, they'll leave...

The Reconquista continues apace, and accelerates...

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

Closer to the day that Israel becomes a secular state. Non-Jews will be a majority in the land Israel controls within a few years and a majority within 10.

 

[Hossfly]

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

Closer to the day that Israel becomes a secular state. Non-Jews will be a majority in the land Israel controls within a few years and a majority within 10.

No biggie. Ever heard of David. Or that Samson dude with an ass's jawbone? BOOM!

 

[Kondor3]

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

Closer to the day that Israel becomes a secular state. Non-Jews will be a majority in the land Israel controls within a few years and a majority within 10.

Allowing non-Jews to become a voting majority within Israel would spell the death of the Jewish state.

The Israelis will evict and expel the Palestinians in large numbers in a preemptive and proactive fashion, long before any such threat can materialize.

After waiting for 2000 years to get their ancestral and spiritual homeland back, and after having 6,000,000 of their men, women and children slaughtered within Living Memory, and after spending the past 66 years building and sustaining and defending their Resurrected Homeland... they will do damned-near anything to protect that Homeland.

That will involve Expulsion, rather than Massacre.

It is the logical and inevitable outcome of the present state of affairs, and the threat posed by the Palestinians if they are allowed to become a demographic threat.

What the rest of the world thinks won't matter a damn when the time comes.

More importantly, most of the rest of the world won't do anything more than pay lip service to international law, but otherwise won't lift a finger to stop it, when the time comes for the Israelis to expel the Palestinians.

The Israelis know this already.

The Palestinians don't believe it can happen to them, and are outright daring the Israelis to do it.

They are going to get their wish, sooner rather than later.

 

[pbel]

When the Palestinians are standing five high on each others' shoulders, because they're squeezed onto something the size of a postage stamp, they'll leave...

The Reconquista continues apace, and accelerates...

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...You keep thinking that this conflict is between the unarmed Palestinians and Israel only...You forget that Israel has warred with all her neighbors and her puny land mass is an easy target in the age of Rockets, that's why she fears Iran, one hit and its over. Time will allow for Armament parity. Fifty years, a hundred? What's the difference.



And none of her enemies fear death...

 

[montelatici]

Hopefully, it won't come to war. Like in South Africa, the warring parties, full of hate for each other, can come to terms and the rights of all the people can be protected in a single state. So, it won't be called the Jewish State, as long as Jews are guaranteed their civil, religious and other rights, it will be ok.

 

[Kondor3]

...I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...

All part of the friendly service, in counterpointing the horseshit that the pro-Palestinian side comes up with... no extra charge.

"...You keep thinking that this conflict is between the unarmed Palestinians and Israel only..."

Stop it, Pbel, yer scarin' everybody, with that Big Bad Ummah of yours.

"...You forget that Israel has warred with all her neighbors and her puny land mass is an easy target in the age of Rockets..."

And you forget that Israel has kicked each and every one of their asses.

Repeatedly.

Their neighbors have had enough of tangling with Israel for a while.

Besides, who's left on their feet in the region, on the Arab side, capable of successfully assaulting Israel?

The answer = nobody.

Egypt is in the crapper. Syria is in the crapper. Iraq is in the crapper. Lebanon is in the crapper. Libya is in the crapper.

What's left?

Jordan? Hell, they've joined with Israel and Egypt to monitor and fence-off and blockade the mad-dog Palestinians.

Saudi Arabai and her pissant micro-shiekdoms nearby simply aren't up to the challenge, and would get their asses kicked by the Israelis in fairly short order.

Iran? They talk big, but they aren't going to do shit, in the end, other than irritate Israel by proxy. They won't take-on Israel directly. They know they'll get their asses kicked if they do. And they know that the United States will help Israel to do it, if it comes down to that.

Pakistan? Hell, they don't dare take their eyes off the Indians, and they can't even control their own Northwestern Provinces, never mind screw with somebody else, thousands of miles away.

"...that's why she fears Iran, one hit and its over..."

If the Iranians nuke Israel, Israel's own beyond-the-borders nuclear capacity would hit them back hard, giving better than they received. And, the United States would probably take the opportunity to cook-down a few choice Iranian targets, as any good ally would.

No... the Iranians theocrats are crazy, but they're not stupid. If they insist upon putting-on the Martyr's Hat, however, both Israel and the United States will accommodate them.

"...Time will allow for Armament parity..."

That assumes that Israel - already with a formidable lead - remains standing still, waiting for the others to catch up. Unlikely.

"...Fifty years, a hundred? What's the difference."

A hundred years from now, the descendants of today's so-called Palestinians will be living happy and properous lives in Jordan, Lebanon and other places, the Jewish Reconquista will be a fait accompli, and there will be nothing left to fight about.

"...And none of her enemies fear death..."

When they're fighting for something they believe in strongly enough, I'm sure they're just as capable of fearless behavior as any other collection of peoples.

The problem for you is, they no longer care enough about the Palestinians to risk such an outcome... not that they ever really did in the first place... but they've even eased-up on paying Lip Service to the idea of such aid... and some of them now even collaborate with the Israelis to wall-off those mad dogs.

The Muslims shot their wad in 1948, 1967 and 1973, and have poured enough blood and treasure into the Fight for Palestine to satisfy their honor and Allah... they've had enough, and won't be in any condition to do anything about it again, for some generations, if ever, by which time, the basis for the dispute will be dispersed and off the scope.

It's over.

The Israelis are holding a high-end straight flush.

The Palestinians are holding a pair of deuces.

The Palestinians are almost out of playing-chips, and the bet is coming 'round to them again.

 

[pbel]

Hopefully, it won't come to war. Like in South Africa, the warring parties, full of hate for each other, can come to terms and the rights of all the people can be protected in a single state. So, it won't be called the Jewish State, as long as Jews are guaranteed their civil, religious and other rights, it will be ok.

I certainly think the Arab League offer of recognition, normal ties, and for me personally is trade...I'm sure with Israeli/Jewish know-how in business would make the ME flourish. end of conflict end of reasons for terrorism on Americans.

 

[pbel]

...I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...

All part of the friendly service, in counterpointing the horseshit that the pro-Palestinian side comes up with... no extra charge.

"...You keep thinking that this conflict is between the unarmed Palestinians and Israel only..."

Stop it, Pbel, yer scarin' everybody, with that Big Bad Ummah of yours.


And you forget that Israel has kicked each and every one of their asses.

Repeatedly.

Their neighbors have had enough of tangling with Israel for a while.

Besides, who's left on their feet in the region, on the Arab side, capable of successfully assaulting Israel?

The answer = nobody.

Egypt is in the crapper. Syria is in the crapper. Iraq is in the crapper. Lebanon is in the crapper. Libya is in the crapper.

What's left?

Jordan? Hell, they've joined with Israel and Egypt to monitor and fence-off and blockade the mad-dog Palestinians.

Saudi Arabai and her pissant micro-shiekdoms nearby simply aren't up to the challenge, and would get their asses kicked by the Israelis in fairly short order.

Iran? They talk big, but they aren't going to do shit, in the end, other than irritate Israel by proxy. They won't take-on Israel directly. They know they'll get their asses kicked if they do. And they know that the United States will help Israel to do it, if it comes down to that.

Pakistan? Hell, they don't dare take their eyes off the Indians, and they can't even control their own Northwestern Provinces, never mind screw with somebody else, thousands of miles away.


If the Iranians nuke Israel, Israel's own beyond-the-borders nuclear capacity would hit them back hard, giving better than they received. And, the United States would probably take the opportunity to cook-down a few choice Iranian targets, as any good ally would.

No... the Iranians theocrats are crazy, but they're not stupid. If they insist upon putting-on the Martyr's Hat, however, both Israel and the United States will accommodate them.


That assumes that Israel - already with a formidable lead - remains standing still, waiting for the others to catch up. Unlikely.

"...Fifty years, a hundred? What's the difference."

A hundred years from now, the descendants of today's so-called Palestinians will be living happy and properous lives in Jordan, Lebanon and other places, the Jewish Reconquista will be a fait accompli, and there will be nothing left to fight about.

"...And none of her enemies fear death..."

When they're fighting for something they believe in strongly enough, I'm sure they're just as capable of fearless behavior as any other collection of peoples.

The problem for you is, they no longer care enough about the Palestinians to risk such an outcome... not that they ever really did in the first place... but they've even eased-up on paying Lip Service to the idea of such aid... and some of them now even collaborate with the Israelis to wall-off those mad dogs.

The Muslims shot their wad in 1948, 1967 and 1973, and have poured enough blood and treasure into the Fight for Palestine to satisfy their honor and Allah... they've had enough, and won't be in any condition to do anything about it again, for some generations, if ever, by which time, the basis for the dispute will be dispersed and off the scope.

Man, you are boring, same old re-play...

 

[Kondor3]

...I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...

All part of the friendly service, in counterpointing the horseshit that the pro-Palestinian side comes up with... no extra charge.


Stop it, Pbel, yer scarin' everybody, with that Big Bad Ummah of yours.


And you forget that Israel has kicked each and every one of their asses.

Repeatedly.

Their neighbors have had enough of tangling with Israel for a while.

Besides, who's left on their feet in the region, on the Arab side, capable of successfully assaulting Israel?

The answer = nobody.

Egypt is in the crapper. Syria is in the crapper. Iraq is in the crapper. Lebanon is in the crapper. Libya is in the crapper.

What's left?

Jordan? Hell, they've joined with Israel and Egypt to monitor and fence-off and blockade the mad-dog Palestinians.

Saudi Arabai and her pissant micro-shiekdoms nearby simply aren't up to the challenge, and would get their asses kicked by the Israelis in fairly short order.

Iran? They talk big, but they aren't going to do shit, in the end, other than irritate Israel by proxy. They won't take-on Israel directly. They know they'll get their asses kicked if they do. And they know that the United States will help Israel to do it, if it comes down to that.

Pakistan? Hell, they don't dare take their eyes off the Indians, and they can't even control their own Northwestern Provinces, never mind screw with somebody else, thousands of miles away.


If the Iranians nuke Israel, Israel's own beyond-the-borders nuclear capacity would hit them back hard, giving better than they received. And, the United States would probably take the opportunity to cook-down a few choice Iranian targets, as any good ally would.

No... the Iranians theocrats are crazy, but they're not stupid. If they insist upon putting-on the Martyr's Hat, however, both Israel and the United States will accommodate them.


That assumes that Israel - already with a formidable lead - remains standing still, waiting for the others to catch up. Unlikely.


A hundred years from now, the descendants of today's so-called Palestinians will be living happy and properous lives in Jordan, Lebanon and other places, the Jewish Reconquista will be a fait accompli, and there will be nothing left to fight about.

"...And none of her enemies fear death..."

When they're fighting for something they believe in strongly enough, I'm sure they're just as capable of fearless behavior as any other collection of peoples.

The problem for you is, they no longer care enough about the Palestinians to risk such an outcome... not that they ever really did in the first place... but they've even eased-up on paying Lip Service to the idea of such aid... and some of them now even collaborate with the Israelis to wall-off those mad dogs.

The Muslims shot their wad in 1948, 1967 and 1973, and have poured enough blood and treasure into the Fight for Palestine to satisfy their honor and Allah... they've had enough, and won't be in any condition to do anything about it again, for some generations, if ever, by which time, the basis for the dispute will be dispersed and off the scope.

Man, you are boring, same old re-play...

Pot, meet kettle...

 

[pbel]

All part of the friendly service, in counterpointing the horseshit that the pro-Palestinian side comes up with... no extra charge.


Stop it, Pbel, yer scarin' everybody, with that Big Bad Ummah of yours.


And you forget that Israel has kicked each and every one of their asses.

Repeatedly.

Their neighbors have had enough of tangling with Israel for a while.

Besides, who's left on their feet in the region, on the Arab side, capable of successfully assaulting Israel?

The answer = nobody.

Egypt is in the crapper. Syria is in the crapper. Iraq is in the crapper. Lebanon is in the crapper. Libya is in the crapper.

What's left?

Jordan? Hell, they've joined with Israel and Egypt to monitor and fence-off and blockade the mad-dog Palestinians.

Saudi Arabai and her pissant micro-shiekdoms nearby simply aren't up to the challenge, and would get their asses kicked by the Israelis in fairly short order.

Iran? They talk big, but they aren't going to do shit, in the end, other than irritate Israel by proxy. They won't take-on Israel directly. They know they'll get their asses kicked if they do. And they know that the United States will help Israel to do it, if it comes down to that.

Pakistan? Hell, they don't dare take their eyes off the Indians, and they can't even control their own Northwestern Provinces, never mind screw with somebody else, thousands of miles away.


If the Iranians nuke Israel, Israel's own beyond-the-borders nuclear capacity would hit them back hard, giving better than they received. And, the United States would probably take the opportunity to cook-down a few choice Iranian targets, as any good ally would.

No... the Iranians theocrats are crazy, but they're not stupid. If they insist upon putting-on the Martyr's Hat, however, both Israel and the United States will accommodate them.


That assumes that Israel - already with a formidable lead - remains standing still, waiting for the others to catch up. Unlikely.


A hundred years from now, the descendants of today's so-called Palestinians will be living happy and properous lives in Jordan, Lebanon and other places, the Jewish Reconquista will be a fait accompli, and there will be nothing left to fight about.


When they're fighting for something they believe in strongly enough, I'm sure they're just as capable of fearless behavior as any other collection of peoples.

The problem for you is, they no longer care enough about the Palestinians to risk such an outcome... not that they ever really did in the first place... but they've even eased-up on paying Lip Service to the idea of such aid... and some of them now even collaborate with the Israelis to wall-off those mad dogs.

The Muslims shot their wad in 1948, 1967 and 1973, and have poured enough blood and treasure into the Fight for Palestine to satisfy their honor and Allah... they've had enough, and won't be in any condition to do anything about it again, for some generations, if ever, by which time, the basis for the dispute will be dispersed and off the scope.

Man, you are boring, same old re-play...

Pot, meet kettle...

At least I'm not a Tattle Teller! please don't turn me in for trying to educate you.

 

[Kondor3]

Man, you are boring, same old re-play...

Pot, meet kettle...

At least I'm not a Tattle Teller! please don't turn me in for trying to educate you.

Thank you for your feedback.

Unfortunately, none of that has anything to do with the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

Feel free to serve-up substantive topic-related counterpoint, at your convenience.