I will not Bow!

[toastman]

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...You keep thinking that this conflict is between the unarmed Palestinians and Israel only...You forget that Israel has warred with all her neighbors and her puny land mass is an easy target in the age of Rockets, that's why she fears Iran, one hit and its over. Time will allow for Armament parity. Fifty years, a hundred? What's the difference.



And none of her enemies fear death...

You really think any of the Arab states are going to attack Israel and draw them i to a war?? If that's the case, then why are no Arab states attacking Israel now??

Could it be that they clearky remember what happened the last three times that happened?
Could it be that they know Israel has several hundred nukes??
Could it be that they know Israel has the most highy trained army that is armed to the teeth?
Could it be that they know that Israel has America's backing?

 

[toastman]

...I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...

All part of the friendly service, in counterpointing the horseshit that the pro-Palestinian side comes up with... no extra charge.


Stop it, Pbel, yer scarin' everybody, with that Big Bad Ummah of yours.


And you forget that Israel has kicked each and every one of their asses.

Repeatedly.

Their neighbors have had enough of tangling with Israel for a while.

Besides, who's left on their feet in the region, on the Arab side, capable of successfully assaulting Israel?

The answer = nobody.

Egypt is in the crapper. Syria is in the crapper. Iraq is in the crapper. Lebanon is in the crapper. Libya is in the crapper.

What's left?

Jordan? Hell, they've joined with Israel and Egypt to monitor and fence-off and blockade the mad-dog Palestinians.

Saudi Arabai and her pissant micro-shiekdoms nearby simply aren't up to the challenge, and would get their asses kicked by the Israelis in fairly short order.

Iran? They talk big, but they aren't going to do shit, in the end, other than irritate Israel by proxy. They won't take-on Israel directly. They know they'll get their asses kicked if they do. And they know that the United States will help Israel to do it, if it comes down to that.

Pakistan? Hell, they don't dare take their eyes off the Indians, and they can't even control their own Northwestern Provinces, never mind screw with somebody else, thousands of miles away.


If the Iranians nuke Israel, Israel's own beyond-the-borders nuclear capacity would hit them back hard, giving better than they received. And, the United States would probably take the opportunity to cook-down a few choice Iranian targets, as any good ally would.

No... the Iranians theocrats are crazy, but they're not stupid. If they insist upon putting-on the Martyr's Hat, however, both Israel and the United States will accommodate them.


That assumes that Israel - already with a formidable lead - remains standing still, waiting for the others to catch up. Unlikely.


A hundred years from now, the descendants of today's so-called Palestinians will be living happy and properous lives in Jordan, Lebanon and other places, the Jewish Reconquista will be a fait accompli, and there will be nothing left to fight about.

"...And none of her enemies fear death..."

When they're fighting for something they believe in strongly enough, I'm sure they're just as capable of fearless behavior as any other collection of peoples.

The problem for you is, they no longer care enough about the Palestinians to risk such an outcome... not that they ever really did in the first place... but they've even eased-up on paying Lip Service to the idea of such aid... and some of them now even collaborate with the Israelis to wall-off those mad dogs.

The Muslims shot their wad in 1948, 1967 and 1973, and have poured enough blood and treasure into the Fight for Palestine to satisfy their honor and Allah... they've had enough, and won't be in any condition to do anything about it again, for some generations, if ever, by which time, the basis for the dispute will be dispersed and off the scope.

Man, you are boring, same old re-play...

Pbel, if there is anyone that repeats the same old crap, it's you.

You can't handle Kondor's posts because you know it's the truth.

 

[toastman]

Man, you are boring, same old re-play...

Pot, meet kettle...

At least I'm not a Tattle Teller! please don't turn me in for trying to educate you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

You?? Educating someone else???
Educating them on what, Palestinian propaganda??

 

[pbel]

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...You keep thinking that this conflict is between the unarmed Palestinians and Israel only...You forget that Israel has warred with all her neighbors and her puny land mass is an easy target in the age of Rockets, that's why she fears Iran, one hit and its over. Time will allow for Armament parity. Fifty years, a hundred? What's the difference.



And none of her enemies fear death...

You really think any of the Arab states are going to attack Israel and draw them i to a war?? If that's the case, then why are no Arab states attacking Israel now??

Could it be that they clearky remember what happened the last three times that happened?
Could it be that they know Israel has several hundred nukes??
Could it be that they know Israel has the most highy trained army that is armed to the teeth?
Could it be that they know that Israel has America's backing?

Toast, it is very obvious that the Arab Nation is not ready to do anything serious for many years to come...If Israel retains E. Jerusalem and continues to occupy and annex land there is nothing to do except terrorism to Israel and the West...

All of the ME Economies are feudalistic, no banks, no upward mobility for the people...Thus the Arab Awakening.

In time as things get sorted out, the kings and dictators will be gone. Saudi Arabia paid for all of Pakistan's nukes with oil money.

When the Revolutions are over(20-50 years, ME Economies will develop...Because of the sheer size i.e. populations within a short time they will be able to afford Armament parrity.

If hate still exists because of conflict, this area needs a tiny spark to end it. That's what's coming without a peace deal and acceptance...

 

[pbel]

Pot, meet kettle...

At least I'm not a Tattle Teller! please don't turn me in for trying to educate you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

You?? Educating someone else???
Educating them on what, Palestinian propaganda??

honest, you're so patently un-educated about international relations and economics, that you'll trip your-self up.

 

[toastman]

At least I'm not a Tattle Teller! please don't turn me in for trying to educate you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

You?? Educating someone else???
Educating them on what, Palestinian propaganda??

honest, you're so patently un-educated about international relations and economics, that you'll trip your-self up.

Please explain how you arrived at that conclusion

 

[pbel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

You?? Educating someone else???
Educating them on what, Palestinian propaganda??

honest, you're so patently un-educated about international relations and economics, that you'll trip your-self up.

Please explain how you arrived at that conclusion

political science.

 

[Phoenall]

Sounds like the Palestinians haven't figured out yet that they're being driven out and can't stop it and haven't gotten off their asses yet and moved away...

Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

The Palestinians aren't going anywhere.

Don't be so sure their own might just round them up and send them out

 

[Phoenall]

"MOSCOVITCH: Annexation of the West Bank to Israel would substantially skyrocket Arab population numbers, and the birth rates of non-Jews would remain high and potentially surpass the Jewish Israeli population. For this reason, it is imperative that Israel not annex the West Bank and negotiate a comprehensive peace with the Palestinians to ensure Israeli security and provide the Palestinians with sovereignty in their own state.

Without a two-state solution and the annexation of the Palestinian population of the West Bank, Israel will eventually turn into a single, bi-national state that would dissolve Israel's Jewish identity."

High Arab birth rate in Israel raises concerns about country?s Jewish identity

Simple answer is to impose a tax on children that applies to all. Up to 2 are allowed tax free, but go over and taxation rises till you cant afford any more. So 3 children sees an increase in tax of 20%, 4 sees 40% 5 sees 100%. This will affect everyone from all religions and races so cant be seen as racist of anti anything.

 

[Phoenall]

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

Closer to the day that Israel becomes a secular state. Non-Jews will be a majority in the land Israel controls within a few years and a majority within 10.

Not if birth control laws are brought in and the militants evicted under International law

 

[Phoenall]

I've been there and that statement is a bit exxaggerated, but we get your point. Like Cher said in the song "Half-breed": "When you're not wanted, you don't stick around." Some people can't take a hint.

Agreed.

Nevertheless...

Nudging them out is more humane than driving them into the sea, as the Palestinians would have done to the Jews, if they'd fought harder and actually won in 1948.

It's more dangerous doing it the slow, nudging way, and it costs more, and takes a generation or two, but the Israelis will get there... judging by the Palestinians' own maps, they're almost there now as it is.

Not much longer, now - as History measures time - until the Palestinians have no choice but to acknowledge Reality, and pack up and leave - amongst those not already emigrated.

I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...You keep thinking that this conflict is between the unarmed Palestinians and Israel only...You forget that Israel has warred with all her neighbors and her puny land mass is an easy target in the age of Rockets, that's why she fears Iran, one hit and its over. Time will allow for Armament parity. Fifty years, a hundred? What's the difference.



And none of her enemies fear death...

The way Iran is going it will face an arab spring of its own that will set it back 1,000 years. While this is going Israel will be developing weapons that will destroy people but leave houses upright, or the other way round. Sonics and light can be used to temporarily disable people, or even to disable them permanently. High pressure low volume explosives that send out shock waves to knock down buildings, ultra low frequency sound wave to turn bones to Jelly. Ultra high sound waves that scramble brains, modulated sound waves that can kill silently. We have all these now, just not the transmission methods that are portable.

 

[Phoenall]

Hopefully, it won't come to war. Like in South Africa, the warring parties, full of hate for each other, can come to terms and the rights of all the people can be protected in a single state. So, it won't be called the Jewish State, as long as Jews are guaranteed their civil, religious and other rights, it will be ok.

It will still be a Jewish state and all Israel has to do is follow Islamic procedure and make muslims 4th class citizens. Give them a contract that ties them down and they lose everything.

 

[Phoenall]

Hopefully, it won't come to war. Like in South Africa, the warring parties, full of hate for each other, can come to terms and the rights of all the people can be protected in a single state. So, it won't be called the Jewish State, as long as Jews are guaranteed their civil, religious and other rights, it will be ok.

I certainly think the Arab League offer of recognition, normal ties, and for me personally is trade...I'm sure with Israeli/Jewish know-how in business would make the ME flourish. end of conflict end of reasons for terrorism on Americans.

The arab league offer has sank out of sight, it was a non starter from the begining

 

[Phoenall]

...I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...

All part of the friendly service, in counterpointing the horseshit that the pro-Palestinian side comes up with... no extra charge.


Stop it, Pbel, yer scarin' everybody, with that Big Bad Ummah of yours.


And you forget that Israel has kicked each and every one of their asses.

Repeatedly.

Their neighbors have had enough of tangling with Israel for a while.

Besides, who's left on their feet in the region, on the Arab side, capable of successfully assaulting Israel?

The answer = nobody.

Egypt is in the crapper. Syria is in the crapper. Iraq is in the crapper. Lebanon is in the crapper. Libya is in the crapper.

What's left?

Jordan? Hell, they've joined with Israel and Egypt to monitor and fence-off and blockade the mad-dog Palestinians.

Saudi Arabai and her pissant micro-shiekdoms nearby simply aren't up to the challenge, and would get their asses kicked by the Israelis in fairly short order.

Iran? They talk big, but they aren't going to do shit, in the end, other than irritate Israel by proxy. They won't take-on Israel directly. They know they'll get their asses kicked if they do. And they know that the United States will help Israel to do it, if it comes down to that.

Pakistan? Hell, they don't dare take their eyes off the Indians, and they can't even control their own Northwestern Provinces, never mind screw with somebody else, thousands of miles away.


If the Iranians nuke Israel, Israel's own beyond-the-borders nuclear capacity would hit them back hard, giving better than they received. And, the United States would probably take the opportunity to cook-down a few choice Iranian targets, as any good ally would.

No... the Iranians theocrats are crazy, but they're not stupid. If they insist upon putting-on the Martyr's Hat, however, both Israel and the United States will accommodate them.


That assumes that Israel - already with a formidable lead - remains standing still, waiting for the others to catch up. Unlikely.


A hundred years from now, the descendants of today's so-called Palestinians will be living happy and properous lives in Jordan, Lebanon and other places, the Jewish Reconquista will be a fait accompli, and there will be nothing left to fight about.

"...And none of her enemies fear death..."

When they're fighting for something they believe in strongly enough, I'm sure they're just as capable of fearless behavior as any other collection of peoples.

The problem for you is, they no longer care enough about the Palestinians to risk such an outcome... not that they ever really did in the first place... but they've even eased-up on paying Lip Service to the idea of such aid... and some of them now even collaborate with the Israelis to wall-off those mad dogs.

The Muslims shot their wad in 1948, 1967 and 1973, and have poured enough blood and treasure into the Fight for Palestine to satisfy their honor and Allah... they've had enough, and won't be in any condition to do anything about it again, for some generations, if ever, by which time, the basis for the dispute will be dispersed and off the scope.

Man, you are boring, same old re-play...

Just like you with your faux arab league plan and your immature rants then

 

[Phoenall]

Man, you are boring, same old re-play...

Pot, meet kettle...

At least I'm not a Tattle Teller! please don't turn me in for trying to educate you.

You aint got the brains to educate a slug

 

[Phoenall]

I honestly get a kick reading your Kaptain Kourages persona and jingoisms...You keep thinking that this conflict is between the unarmed Palestinians and Israel only...You forget that Israel has warred with all her neighbors and her puny land mass is an easy target in the age of Rockets, that's why she fears Iran, one hit and its over. Time will allow for Armament parity. Fifty years, a hundred? What's the difference.



And none of her enemies fear death...

You really think any of the Arab states are going to attack Israel and draw them i to a war?? If that's the case, then why are no Arab states attacking Israel now??

Could it be that they clearky remember what happened the last three times that happened?
Could it be that they know Israel has several hundred nukes??
Could it be that they know Israel has the most highy trained army that is armed to the teeth?
Could it be that they know that Israel has America's backing?

Toast, it is very obvious that the Arab Nation is not ready to do anything serious for many years to come...If Israel retains E. Jerusalem and continues to occupy and annex land there is nothing to do except terrorism to Israel and the West...

All of the ME Economies are feudalistic, no banks, no upward mobility for the people...Thus the Arab Awakening.

In time as things get sorted out, the kings and dictators will be gone. Saudi Arabia paid for all of Pakistan's nukes with oil money.

When the Revolutions are over(20-50 years, ME Economies will develop...Because of the sheer size i.e. populations within a short time they will be able to afford Armament parrity.

If hate still exists because of conflict, this area needs a tiny spark to end it. That's what's coming without a peace deal and acceptance...

Yes the end of arab colonialism that would mean the end of the M.E. and Oil. Who would put out the fires when the oil wells went up in flames. Who would repair the pumps whem they failed because there would be no westerners there having been murdered or driven out.

 

[Phoenall]

At least I'm not a Tattle Teller! please don't turn me in for trying to educate you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

You?? Educating someone else???
Educating them on what, Palestinian propaganda??

honest, you're so patently un-educated about international relations and economics, that you'll trip your-self up.

Its you that needs educating if you think killing up to 50% of a countries population in a takeover will make it stronger. That causing wars across the M.E. will raise the economies of the nations you attack and invade. Were will the people live after you have destroyed their homes. Were will they be treated for festering wounds when you have blown up the hospitals how will they be fed when the crops are rotting in the fields. Just look at Syria with widespread famine, disease and homelessness. That is the reality of your stupidity

 

[montelatici]

i Israel will be developing weapons that will destroy people but leave houses upright,

Wonderful country and people.

 

[MrMax]

i Israel will be developing weapons that will destroy people but leave houses upright,

Wonderful country and people.

Arabs are still working on perfecting the slingshot.

Losers in cat litter countries too dumb to invent toilet paper.

 

[Phoenall]

i Israel will be developing weapons that will destroy people but leave houses upright,

Wonderful country and people.

The weapons are already in existence and have been for at least 30 years. The new weapons are close orbit satellites with laser guidance that can take out a general putting the troops in disarray . Did you see the footage of the scud missiles in Baghdad that stopped and waved for the cameras.