I reluctantly admit I think my wife is right.

[Billiejeens]

Yes. Trump has taken over the Republican party. Unfortunately for the dems, progressives have witnessed this and have decided they can take over the democrat party but they are wrong. Instead, their push has caused the democrat party toward becoming extinct.

From your typing to God's ear.

 

[Chuz Life]

Start a thread with your assertion. I'd love to see the evidence you provide.

I appreciate the suggestion, but I have enough on my plate for now.

 

[Mashmont]

By facts, sure. I'm still waiting for one of the board's conservatives to give me an example of compelling facts in contradiction to my beliefs.

It's like Ross Perot. In 1992 he claimed he was starting a party because neither of the other two endorsed fiscal conservatism. Then three years later, when we had the great 104th Congress which endorsed everything Perot championed---Perot was nowhere to be found.

People say they want to be convinced....but they don't.

 

[Dragonlady]

Every thought begins with an emotional message from the limbic system up to the Prefrontal cortex. Emotions can determine what we think we know when the ability to get the message right is poor. That ability is called coherence.

Furthermore, emotion overrules logic every single time.

Trump says he doesn’t prepare for negotiations, he just walks in, reads the room and goes with his gut instincts”. He says he trusts his gut because it’s made him rich.

This is how and why Trump’s companies have gone bankrupt 7 times and counting. Trump has gotten rich by going bankrupt - sucking all of the cash out of his businesses while piling on debt and then walking away from the debt.

He’s doing the same thing now to the US economy - giving himself and his rich friends massive tax cuts, while piling on the debt.

I’m waiting for Trump to sign the nation into Chapter 11.

 

[Dragonlady]

Well, are you suggesting that you would ever have YOUR mind changed? Posting here at USMB should be an indication that, no matter the amount of proof one shows to someone, nobody will ever have their mind changed here.

The two sides are too divided to ever change directions.

The problem being one side is lying 100% of the time so the billionaires who control right wing media can continue to receive massive tax cuts.

They’ve convinced Relublican voters that the Democrats and the mainstream media are lying, evil and criminal, with absolutely no evidence or corruption charges to show for literally hundreds of investigations of Democrats since Nixon was forced from office

Republicans have been demonizing Democrats just to stay in power. By every economic measure you can make, the nation thrives when Democrats are in office and the economy collapses every time a Republican is in the White House.

These are FACTS not feelings.

 

[j-mac]

Furthermore, emotion overrules logic every single time.

Trump says he doesn’t prepare for negotiations, he just walks in, reads the room and goes with his gut instincts”. He says he trusts his gut because it’s made him rich.

This is how and why Trump’s companies have gone bankrupt 7 times and counting. Trump has gotten rich by going bankrupt - sucking all of the cash out of his businesses while piling on debt and then walking away from the debt.

He’s doing the same thing now to the US economy - giving himself and his rich friends massive tax cuts, while piling on the debt.

I’m waiting for Trump to sign the nation into Chapter 11.

Well, you’re generally wrong about everything now, so waiting might be a good thing for you…

 

[Dragonlady]

It's like Ross Perot. In 1992 he claimed he was starting a party because neither of the other two endorsed fiscal conservatism. Then three years later, when we had the great 104th Congress which endorsed everything Perot championed---Perot was nowhere to be found.

People say they want to be convinced....but they don't.

Gingerich may have endorsed everything Perot stood for but he sowed the seeds of the 2008 economic collapse by deregulating Wall Street and allowing derivative sales of subprime mortgages.

The Republican House and Senate forced through the legislation which was signed into law by a President fighting 6 years of harassment by a Special Counsel investigating everything that happened, including Vince Foster’s suicide.

Democrats keep patching up the economy, only to have FOX gin up some phony story like Benghazi, Hillary’s emails, or Biden’s “corruption” - all on no evidence and none of which resulted in a single criminal charge.

Meanwhile, Republicans are going to jail by the dozens.

 

[Moonglow]

You guys sound like the life of the party.

The Communist Party.

Of which there is none in the USA that holds power.

 

[Nostra]

I threw a birthday party for my wife the other day. One of the attendees began speaking about a man she employees to work around the house (her husband died 5 years ago) to do odd jobs. Nice guy, I know him, he is a trump fan. She told us about how she had corrected him on a factual matter concerning politics. Referring him to the Snopes website for future reference. A debate ensued among the party attendees as to the efficacy of doing so. IOW, would being proven wrong change his mind about anything? Changing Beliefs - The Science PT

I said it is a worthwhile endeavor to confront someone with a misinformed belief. Most of the other folks there agreed with me. My wife dissented. After giving it further thought, and reflecting on my experience here, I'm coming around to her way of thinking. Why?

I just got in to a debate (by way of emails) with a friend of over 60 years about trump firing McEntarfer (he is a huge trump guy). The BLS lady. I sent him this cut and paste.......

Erika McEntarfer, the fired B.L.S. commissioner, is a highly respected economist with extensive experience in the production and analysis of government data. But she does not make policy in the way that someone like Powell does. Nor does the commissioner traditionally even make the particular numbers that the B.L.S. releases. Instead those numbers are produced by the 2,000 nonpartisan career staff members who work in the agency, in this case compiling the survey responses from the more than 100,000 businesses that report their employment to the B.L.S. every month. The numbers are finalized before they get to the commissioner, a political appointee but one who often serves across administrations. The role is much more about managing and overseeing the agency and making long-term decisions.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08/01/opinion/thepoint#bls-commissioner-trump-fire-erika-mcentarfer

.........explaining why the firing was misguided. He responded by sending an article about Hillary Clinton, written by Matt Tiabbi, about why she should be in jail.

My takeaway is none of the evidence provided about how the labor stats are compiled has changed his mind about whether McEntarfer deserved to be fired. It's not something he is willing to consider. I suspect my friend's around the house worker reacted the same way when his belief was challenged. He will use the sources of info he relies on to reinforce his false belief and disregard the factual info on Snopes. And so it goes.

Who would listen to someone stupid enough to marry you?

 

[j-mac]

Gingerich may have endorsed everything Perot stood for but he sowed the seeds of the 2008 economic collapse by deregulating Wall Street and allowing derivative sales of subprime mortgages.

The Republican House and Senate forced through the legislation which was signed into law by a President fighting 6 years of harassment by a Special Counsel investigating everything that happened, including Vince Foster’s suicide.

Democrats keep patching up the economy, only to have FOX gin up some phony story like Benghazi, Hillary’s emails, or Biden’s “corruption” - all on no evidence and none of which resulted in a single criminal charge.

Meanwhile, Republicans are going to jail by the dozens.

I’m going to help you out here…This is why you dems lost to Trump…

The Democratic Party has caused an 'affordability crisis' and 'set the world on fire' | Fox Business Video

TrendMacro CIO Don Luskin discusses higher prices that American families are facing with President-elect Trump set to enter office on 'The Evening Edit.'

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[OODA_Loop]

Of which there is none in the USA that holds power.

A hit bird always flutters.

 

[berg80]

It's like Ross Perot. In 1992 he claimed he was starting a party because neither of the other two endorsed fiscal conservatism. Then three years later, when we had the great 104th Congress which endorsed everything Perot championed---Perot was nowhere to be found.

People say they want to be convinced....but they don't.

I don't think I implied I wanted to be convinced my beliefs are factually inaccurate. But I'm willing to entertain efforts to prove they are.

 

[berg80]

I’m going to help you out here…This is why you dems lost to Trump…

Because they explain things in ways stupid people don't understand? What Dragonlady said about the origins of the collapse of housing in 2008 is correct. Even Allan Greenspan admitted as much when he acknowledged he had to question his belief in the idea unfettered capital markets are self correcting.

 

[Nostra]

The problem being one side is lying 100% of the time so the billionaires who control right wing media can continue to receive massive tax cuts.

They’ve convinced Relublican voters that the Democrats and the mainstream media are lying, evil and criminal, with absolutely no evidence or corruption charges to show for literally hundreds of investigations of Democrats since Nixon was forced from office

Republicans have been demonizing Democrats just to stay in power. By every economic measure you can make, the nation thrives when Democrats are in office and the economy collapses every time a Republican is in the White House.

These are FACTS not feelings.

Lies.

 

[Moonglow]

A hit bird always flutters.

Like two peas in a pod.

 

[BackAgain]

Of which there is none in the USA that holds power.

Except, of course, for the Democrat Party.

 

[Mashmont]

Gingerich may have endorsed everything Perot stood for but he sowed the seeds of the 2008 economic collapse by deregulating Wall Street and allowing derivative sales of subprime mortgages.

The Republican House and Senate forced through the legislation which was signed into law by a President fighting 6 years of harassment by a Special Counsel investigating everything that happened, including Vince Foster’s suicide.

Democrats keep patching up the economy, only to have FOX gin up some phony story like Benghazi, Hillary’s emails, or Biden’s “corruption” - all on no evidence and none of which resulted in a single criminal charge.

Meanwhile, Republicans are going to jail by the dozens.

The market collapsed because Democrat-controlled Fannie and Freddie covered thousands of bad loans to unqualified (colored) borrowers. When Republicans tried to put a stop to it, Democrats screamed "Racism!". Then the efforts to stop it got pulled back.

 

[Dragonlady]

The market collapsed because Democrat-controlled Fannie and Freddie covered thousands of bad loans to unqualified (colored) borrowers. When Republicans tried to put a stop to it, Democrats screamed "Racism!". Then the efforts to stop it got pulled back.

No it did not. The market was already collapsing when Fannie and Freddie were allowed into the market. They didn’t start subprime lending until late in the process.

Who Was to Blame for the Subprime Crisis?

From lenders to buyers to hedge funds, when it comes to the subprime mortgage crisis, everyone had blood on their hands.

www.investopedia.com

The market collapsed because of subprime lending and selling derivatives. The deregulation of Wall Street.

 

[Nostra]

No it did not. The market was already collapsing when Fannie and Freddie were allowed into the market. They didn’t start subprime lending until late in the process.

Who Was to Blame for the Subprime Crisis?

From lenders to buyers to hedge funds, when it comes to the subprime mortgage crisis, everyone had blood on their hands.

www.investopedia.com

The market collapsed because of subprime lending and selling derivatives. The deregulation of Wall Street.

Lies.

 

[Billiejeens]

The market collapsed because Democrat-controlled Fannie and Freddie covered thousands of bad loans to unqualified (colored) borrowers. When Republicans tried to put a stop to it, Democrats screamed "Racism!". Then the efforts to stop it got pulled back.

I can't believe that this still needs to be explained.