I have a theory on the UFO phenomenan; they are demonic
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You are a fruit cake, bro.
I like how you led Kbuck to believe that you believe in the same Satan and demons he believes in. That was a slick move of deceit on your part.
But I know that you are referring to non-supernatural entities because you don't believe in anything which is supernatural, least of all God.
Militant atheists gonna militant atheist.
What's your interpretation for the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard in Matthew 20:1-16, faker?
Show everyone your true colors, bro.
They are real, no illusion.
Remember, we don't know what 96% of the universe is made of or even where it is. The prophets seem to be describing a vehicle of some sort out of which living creatures with the semblance of a man with a semblance of a hand emerge. They made it clear that these creatures were real but not of this world nor human and had abilities that defy known physics including direct access to the human mind. They communicate telepathically as the prophets said, using images and words without sound.
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I have no doubt he thinks he is a genius. But he isn't smart enough to realize that I can defeat his silly deception by asking him to explain the parables of Christ. Which is why you will either see him run away or make a very silly interpretation. Either way his deception is exposed.I find his posts interesting. And remember, a lot of geniuses are simultaneously insane too.
Dark matter is made up.
DrLove
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My thoughts is that K9 be Kraykray 
Lastamender
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You have thoughts of your own? When did this start? His theory is as good as anyone else's. Tolerating other opinions is where you are sadly lacking.My thoughts is that K9 be Kraykray
Stryder50
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Passport to Magonia: On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Worlds
byJacques F. Vallée
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Over two decades ago, eminent scientist Vallee wrote a provocative book about alleged UFO landings, folklore, and certain unexplained phenomena. That long-out-of-print book--which discussed the most interesting reports of more than 1,000 apparently reliable witnessess--has become an underground classic and is now being reissued.
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Passport to Magonia: On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Wo…
Over two decades ago, eminent scientist Vallee wrote a …
Stryder50
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From the perspective that one can't get "something" from "nothing", then the Universe would be made from substance of the Creator, hence the Universe is the Creator.Are you one of those crazy guys that think that the universe made itself?My thoughts is that K9 be Kraykray
Or to answer your question, Yes!
Stryder50
Platinum Member
The Intel and Black Ops "communities" have kept a fairly tight lid on the UFO/UAP phenomena since 1947 (if not earlier), and few in upper levels of elected government positions are ever fully in the "need to know" loop. Obama-nation was definitely one whom would fail at higher level security clearances to know the real truth.
‘We don’t know exactly what they are’: Obama says UFO sightings appear real
The former president also said the government doesn’t have a stash of alien specimens.nypost.com
Are UFOs a threat to national security? We may find out in 6 months
Congress wants to know if unidentified aircraft are evidence that foreign adversaries are techonlogically ahead of the US military.taskandpurpose.com
Your second link echoes what has been circulating and regurgitated every couple of years for the past seven decades.
Stryder50
Platinum Member
A more disturbing, though no less unconventional than that of most religions, has to do with something from earliest human written history and one of the first civilizations. The concept of the Anunnaki, oft translated as "Those from Heaven to Earth came".
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The Anunnaki (also transcribed as Anunaki, Annunaki, Anunna, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of deities of the ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians.[1] In the earliest Sumerian writings about them, which come from the Post-Akkadian period, the Anunnaki are deities in the pantheon, descendants of An and Ki, the god of the heavens and the goddess of earth, and their primary function was to decree the fates of humanity. Since the second half of the twentieth century, they have been the subject of new, upcoming Modern Archaeologists and Sumerian translators, such as Irving Finkel.
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Over a series of published books (starting with Chariots of the Gods? in 1968), Swiss pseudoarcheologist Erich von Däniken claimed that extraterrestrial "ancient astronauts" had visited a prehistoric Earth. Von Däniken explains the origins of religions as reactions to contact with an alien race, and offers interpretations of Sumerian texts and the Old Testament as evidence.[69][70][71]
In his 1976 book The Twelfth Planet, Russian-American author Zecharia Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were actually an advanced humanoid extraterrestrial species from the undiscovered planet Nibiru, who came to Earth around 500,000 years ago and constructed a base of operations in order to mine gold after discovering that the planet was rich in the precious metal.[69][70][72] According to Sitchin, the Anunnaki hybridized their species and Homo erectus via in vitro fertilization in order to create humans as a slave species of miners.[69][70][72] Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were forced to temporarily leave Earth's surface and orbit the planet when Antarctic glaciers melted (which, if the Arctic glaciers also melted, would raise water levels a couple hundred meters), causing the Great Flood,[73] which also destroyed the Anunnaki's bases on Earth.[73] These had to be rebuilt, and the Anunnaki, needing more humans to help in this massive effort, taught mankind agriculture.[73]
Ronald H. Fritze writes that, according to Sitchin, "the Annunaki built the pyramids and all the other monumental structures from around the ancient world that ancient astronaut theorists consider so impossible to build without highly advanced technologies."[69] Sitchin expanded on this mythology in later works, including The Stairway to Heaven (1980) and The Wars of Gods and Men (1985).[74] In The End of Days: Armageddon and the Prophecy of the Return (2007), Sitchin predicted that the Anunnaki would return to earth, possibly as soon as 2012, corresponding to the end of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar.[70][74] Sitchin's writings have been universally rejected by mainstream historians, who have labelled his books as pseudoarchaeology,[75] asserting that Sitchin seems to deliberately misrepresent Sumerian texts by quoting them out of context, truncating quotations, and mistranslating Sumerian words to give them radically different meanings from their accepted definitions.[76]
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en.wikipedia.org
See also;
www.annunaki.org
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The Anunnaki (also transcribed as Anunaki, Annunaki, Anunna, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of deities of the ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians.[1] In the earliest Sumerian writings about them, which come from the Post-Akkadian period, the Anunnaki are deities in the pantheon, descendants of An and Ki, the god of the heavens and the goddess of earth, and their primary function was to decree the fates of humanity. Since the second half of the twentieth century, they have been the subject of new, upcoming Modern Archaeologists and Sumerian translators, such as Irving Finkel.
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Pseudoarchaeology and conspiracy theories
Main article: Ancient astronautsOver a series of published books (starting with Chariots of the Gods? in 1968), Swiss pseudoarcheologist Erich von Däniken claimed that extraterrestrial "ancient astronauts" had visited a prehistoric Earth. Von Däniken explains the origins of religions as reactions to contact with an alien race, and offers interpretations of Sumerian texts and the Old Testament as evidence.[69][70][71]
In his 1976 book The Twelfth Planet, Russian-American author Zecharia Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were actually an advanced humanoid extraterrestrial species from the undiscovered planet Nibiru, who came to Earth around 500,000 years ago and constructed a base of operations in order to mine gold after discovering that the planet was rich in the precious metal.[69][70][72] According to Sitchin, the Anunnaki hybridized their species and Homo erectus via in vitro fertilization in order to create humans as a slave species of miners.[69][70][72] Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were forced to temporarily leave Earth's surface and orbit the planet when Antarctic glaciers melted (which, if the Arctic glaciers also melted, would raise water levels a couple hundred meters), causing the Great Flood,[73] which also destroyed the Anunnaki's bases on Earth.[73] These had to be rebuilt, and the Anunnaki, needing more humans to help in this massive effort, taught mankind agriculture.[73]
Ronald H. Fritze writes that, according to Sitchin, "the Annunaki built the pyramids and all the other monumental structures from around the ancient world that ancient astronaut theorists consider so impossible to build without highly advanced technologies."[69] Sitchin expanded on this mythology in later works, including The Stairway to Heaven (1980) and The Wars of Gods and Men (1985).[74] In The End of Days: Armageddon and the Prophecy of the Return (2007), Sitchin predicted that the Anunnaki would return to earth, possibly as soon as 2012, corresponding to the end of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar.[70][74] Sitchin's writings have been universally rejected by mainstream historians, who have labelled his books as pseudoarchaeology,[75] asserting that Sitchin seems to deliberately misrepresent Sumerian texts by quoting them out of context, truncating quotations, and mistranslating Sumerian words to give them radically different meanings from their accepted definitions.[76]
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Anunnaki - Wikipedia
See also;
The Annunaki (Anunnaki) | Ancient Sumerians Role In Humanity
The Annunaki according to ancient Sumerian theory first arrived on Earth around 450,000 years ago. They created modern man as slave labor species by sampling their DNA with homo erectus.
www.annunaki.org
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Stryder50
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Origins of the NSDAP/Nazis seem to involve some founders with interests in the occult ...
The Thule Society (/ˈtuːlə/; German: Thule-Gesellschaft), originally the Studiengruppe für germanisches Altertum ("Study Group for Germanic Antiquity"), was a German occultist and Völkisch group founded in Munich shortly after World War I, named after a mythical northern country in Greek legend. The society is notable chiefly as the organization that sponsored the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP; German Workers' Party), which was later reorganized by Adolf Hitler into the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP or Nazi Party). According to Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw, the organization's "membership list ... reads like a Who's Who of early Nazi sympathizers and leading figures in Munich", including Rudolf Hess, Alfred Rosenberg, Hans Frank, Julius Lehmann, Gottfried Feder, Dietrich Eckart, and Karl Harrer.[2]
Author Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke contends that Hans Frank and Rudolf Hess had been Thule members, but other leading Nazis had only been invited to speak at Thule meetings or they were entirely unconnected with it.[3][4] According to Johannes Hering, "There is no evidence that Hitler ever attended the Thule Society."[5]
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Beliefs
A primary focus of the Thule Society was a claim concerning the origins of the Aryan race. In 1917, people who wanted to join the "Germanic Order", out of which the Thule Society developed in 1918, had to sign a special "blood declaration of faith" concerning their lineage:
"Thule" (Greek: Θούλη) was a land located by Greco-Roman geographers in the farthest north (often displayed as Iceland).
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The followers of the Thule Society were very interested in racial theory and, in particular, in combating Jews and Communists. ...
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The Thule Society has become the center of many conspiracy theories concerning Nazi Germany, due to its occult background (like the Ahnenerbe section of the SS). Such theories include the creation of vril-powered Nazi UFOs.
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Thule Society - Wikipedia
This rabbit hole does go deeper;
The Nazi Party, the Thule Society, the Occult, and Freemasonry
www.bibliotecapleyades.net
Stryder50
Platinum Member
One elaboration of the above;
thirdreichocculthistory.blogspot.com
Then the counter point;
The seemingly impossible ascent of this diminutive demagogue and his string of victories against the once so proud French and British, and of course that great Soviet evil to the east, demanded an easy explanation.
In 1973 a British writer called Trevor Ravenscroft offered one. Spear of Destiny: The Occult Power Behind the Spear Which Pierced the Side of Christ was a sensation, in it Ravenscroft revealed how as a struggling artist in Vienna, Adolf Hitler had been captivated by a tour guide’s tale of the Holy Lance (also known as the Hofburg Spear). One of the crown jewels of the Holy Roman Emperors, the Hofburg Spear was said to be the Spear of Destiny, used by the Roman legionary Gaius Cassius Longinus to pierce the side of Christ at the Crucifixion.
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However, Ravenscroft's book is more about the occult origins of the NSDAP and Hilter's dabblings in the occult and less about the spear of it's title. Makes for an interesting read and perspective.
His book in pdf;
The Spear of Destiny
© Copyright Peter Crawford 2014 © Copyright Peter Crawford 2014 Heiligen Johannes der Evangelist © Copyright Peter Crawfo...
thirdreichocculthistory.blogspot.com
Then the counter point;
Nazi Myths Debunked: Hitler, Wagner and the Spear of Destiny
From the very second Adolf Hitler stepped in front of a packed audience, onlookers reached toward the otherworldly to describe his powers. Those enthralled by his venomous strongman creed of Aryan superiority saw him as a messianic figure, the ‘magician’ of Ernst Schertel’s feverish writings, while those who began to fear for their own lives saw something demonic.
The seemingly impossible ascent of this diminutive demagogue and his string of victories against the once so proud French and British, and of course that great Soviet evil to the east, demanded an easy explanation.
In 1973 a British writer called Trevor Ravenscroft offered one. Spear of Destiny: The Occult Power Behind the Spear Which Pierced the Side of Christ was a sensation, in it Ravenscroft revealed how as a struggling artist in Vienna, Adolf Hitler had been captivated by a tour guide’s tale of the Holy Lance (also known as the Hofburg Spear). One of the crown jewels of the Holy Roman Emperors, the Hofburg Spear was said to be the Spear of Destiny, used by the Roman legionary Gaius Cassius Longinus to pierce the side of Christ at the Crucifixion.
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Syria Civil War at the Imperial War Museum: What Do Russia, Iran and the US Really Want? | All About History
To mark the centenary of its foundation IWM London explores and explains the tragedy of the Syrian Civil War
www.historyanswers.co.uk
However, Ravenscroft's book is more about the occult origins of the NSDAP and Hilter's dabblings in the occult and less about the spear of it's title. Makes for an interesting read and perspective.
His book in pdf;
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Actually, you might have a point. Demons and Aliens are both figments of human imagination.
Why would a "Demon" need a humanoid body? (Or an Angel, for that matter?)
Here's the reality- You can draw a straight line comparison between what Hollywood tells us aliens should look like and what people who encounter aliens say they look like.
Case in point. When the first UFO's were reported in 1947 (not counting earlier mystery airships and foo fighters and ghost rockets), most people assumed they were unknown, possibly Russian, aircraft.
Then Hollywood got into the act. Movies like The Day the Earth Stood Still were put out that posited that UFO's were alien craft, and aliens look like humans. (TDTESS has a very Christian Allegory. A man who calls himself "Mr. Carpenter" comes to Earth with an important message, dies, comes back to life, and threatens us all with destruction if we don't clean up our act.)
Well, the next year, after another UFO flap, people started seeing human like aliens. There were even UFO cults that spoke of Space Brothers who were here to enlighten us. Of course, these aliens were white people, because why wouldn't they be.
In the 1970s, that changed. Why? Because Hollywood told us Aliens should look like THIS.
We can thank a film called "An Interrupted Journey" for that. It retold the story of Betty and Barney Hill, an interracial couple who claimed to be abducted by aliens. Although they described human looking aliens as their kidnappers, they rough drawings they did lead to the producers of the film creating the classic "Gray" alien look. This was built upon by other Hollywood creators, with Steven Spielberg being the worst offender.
So what is interesting about UFO's is how a MYTH develops in a culture, not necessarily accurate accounts of encounters. Just like previous generations created myths about pixies and dwarves and demons, we create images of aliens in the space age.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
yes, some people doubt a book that has talking snakes and giants in it, for some reason.
Now, here's the thing about the Bible and Demons. The earliest books of the Bible don't mention Satan or demons at all.
The later books of the OT show demons as agents of God. For instance, the Book of Job, Satan (or "the Accuser" is part of a celestial council who comes and goes in heaven as he pleases, and engages in wagers with God.
It's only in the New Testament that Satan becomes Jesus' enemy. .
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