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Well then, what would be your concern about having a party there? if you're into Saturday night frat parties, go to Saturday night frat parties?
I have a question....
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Don't forget to pay tuition and books and room and board, though.. Otherwise, you may miss out on the party life there.
This whole topic is called by Aristotle "metaphysics" because it is beyond physics.
Theology is a part of metaphysics.
Aristotle mostly speculates logically about "The Prime Mover", which is a corollary to San Tomas Aquinas' "First Cause".
Aristotle noticed that planets, the Sun, the Moon, comets, and asteroids all move through the heavens, therefore he surmised that Someone must have put these all into motion, Someone greater than them all.
San Tomas Aquinas noticed that all living things on this Earth die eventually, therefore he speculated logically that all things were created by Someone that cannot die.
The Two are Both related. They are essentially the same phenomenon.
In modern times you can believe in The Big Bang if you want, but you must also then ask philosophically, who caused it? That which caused it is the First Cause and Prime Mover -- a God.
Jewish, Christian, and Muslim (in that order) theology each tell us there are daemons which are diabolical (these are Greek words from The New Testament) and which were cast down to the Earth from God's Heaven where they originally were created with all the other angels and The Seven Archangels, Seraphim, and Cherubim of God.
The daemons are immortal, same as our own souls, same as the angels and the Seven Archangels, Seraphim, and Cherubim of God, and God himself.
The daemons try us to see if we will act diabolical just like them, or if we will act instead like the other angels of God.
The reward for us is then based on our works. Not on our faith alone. Faith without works is dead. See Matthew Chapter 25 starting at verse 31:
"When the Son Of Man (Jesus) shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall He sit upon the thrown of his glory. And before Him shall be gathered all nations. And He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats ... ."
Theology is a part of metaphysics.
Aristotle mostly speculates logically about "The Prime Mover", which is a corollary to San Tomas Aquinas' "First Cause".
Aristotle noticed that planets, the Sun, the Moon, comets, and asteroids all move through the heavens, therefore he surmised that Someone must have put these all into motion, Someone greater than them all.
San Tomas Aquinas noticed that all living things on this Earth die eventually, therefore he speculated logically that all things were created by Someone that cannot die.
The Two are Both related. They are essentially the same phenomenon.
In modern times you can believe in The Big Bang if you want, but you must also then ask philosophically, who caused it? That which caused it is the First Cause and Prime Mover -- a God.
Jewish, Christian, and Muslim (in that order) theology each tell us there are daemons which are diabolical (these are Greek words from The New Testament) and which were cast down to the Earth from God's Heaven where they originally were created with all the other angels and The Seven Archangels, Seraphim, and Cherubim of God.
The daemons are immortal, same as our own souls, same as the angels and the Seven Archangels, Seraphim, and Cherubim of God, and God himself.
The daemons try us to see if we will act diabolical just like them, or if we will act instead like the other angels of God.
The reward for us is then based on our works. Not on our faith alone. Faith without works is dead. See Matthew Chapter 25 starting at verse 31:
"When the Son Of Man (Jesus) shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall He sit upon the thrown of his glory. And before Him shall be gathered all nations. And He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats ... ."
Exactly.
The Hebrew Tenakh (Old Testament) calls the head daemon Satan -- a Hebrew word meaning false accuser.
The Greek New Testament calls him Diablos -- the devil -- meaning diabolical.
Fallacy of affirmation of the consequent and also argument from ignorance.
You don't know one way or the other therefor you know nothing.
Please refer to the complete list of fallacies below and look up "affirmation of the consequent" and also "argument from ignorance".
List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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But only a few salivate over the chance to cast the first stone
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If you want me to accept the reality of Hell, show it to me. There are simply too many mythologies competing for me to just blindly accept one as the right one without proof.
I'm willing to concede the possibility of it, but until it is shown, I just discount it. Your hell is no more valid than Hel or Hades or wherever bad Buhddists go.
I'm willing to concede the possibility of it, but until it is shown, I just discount it. Your hell is no more valid than Hel or Hades or wherever bad Buhddists go.
Jesus talks about that as recorded by St. John in John 8:7 remember?
You will be shown it soon enough.
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Lol wat
Donald Trump is the richest meanest frat boy that I have ever seen.
I am sure he will want some of Lucifer's action.
(Lucifer is a Latin name chosen by St. Gerome when he translated Diablos from Greek into Latin.)
... casting the first stone ... that's what.
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You are right that no such place exists as described by the faithful, but, if you had all of that crap in your head perverting every thought,perception, and emotion to the point where you became so confused that you couldn't distinguish reality from a fantasy or the truth from a lie what would you call that if not hell?
Wouldn't life in this world, reality itself, seem like a never ending torment day and night, like a consuming fire that will never go out?
You want someone to show you what is right before your eyes?
Be opened and see.
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My favorite Greek/Russian Orthodox story is the one about St. Mary and her tomb, which was found opened and empty the next day.
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