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[Mortimer]

So people shouldn't be able to do anything if it impacts society? You shouldn't be able to eat sugar because someone else might think you're fat? You shouldn't be able to use transportation that uses fuel because it might impact someone else?

And how, exactly, does a gay person fucking another gay person impact society?

Actually you might be surprised at how many gay people had kids. When I was at university I knew a girl who's father (a father of two kids) came out as gay.

People in the olden days got married and had kids because that's what you had to do. Regardless of your sexuality.

We disagree probably on the definitions of family and sexuality, i have a concept of regulated sexuality which is wrong outside marriage between man and a woman, you probably dont have that regulations. For me there are several regulations like to not fuck a relative for example, or a animal, or the same sex, most people do not believe in that anymore they consider it outdated. Thats why you think that has no negative impact on society because you have no problem with free sexuality and pornography. Im not only against gay sex, but also against the pornography widely available.

 

[Mortimer]

Actually you might be surprised at how many gay people had kids. When I was at university I knew a girl who's father (a father of two kids) came out as gay.

And you really notice nothing suspicious or wrong here? How a married man and father comes out as gay?

 

[JohnDB]

And you really notice nothing suspicious or wrong here? How a married man and father comes out as gay?

Homosexuality is and always has been considered moral turpitude.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I dont think gay people are under attack, no one i know hates gay people. It is a state and civilisation ideology, almost every political party and even the catholic church celebrates pride month and every business. last year i was in croatia in june in umag, and they sold rainbowflags everywhere.

You "don't think" gay people are under attack?

You live in Austria, you live in a place where the Catholic Church puts up rainbow flags.

In the US it's a lot different. Austria has attempted to become a more tolerant place, it has a lot of influence from West Germany which spent a lot of time after WW2 making its people tolerant.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And you really notice nothing suspicious or wrong here? How a married man and father comes out as gay?

Yes, that a gay man feels he has to get married to a woman. This was like 15 years ago that I met this person, and she was in her 20s then, so her father probably got married early 1980s when things weren't so open.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Homosexuality is and always has been considered moral turpitude.

No, not really.

In Thailand it isn't.
In the past it wasn't, in certain well known societies like ancient Greece it was common for learned men to have a boy of some kind.

 

[skye]

The local Catholic University here in my province put up the rainbow flag and celebrated pride. I protested and now it seems they have taken down the social media post where they celebrate pride.

Good on you, Mortimer!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Good on you, Mortimer!

Yeah, good on your Mort, get those fucking gays who are in your face. Freedom is for fucking pussies.

 

[skye]

Yeah, good on your Mort, get those fucking gays who are in your face. Freedom is for fucking pussies.

I didn't say that.

You said it.

Try to control yourself please.

 

[Mortimer]

Yeah, good on your Mort, get those fucking gays who are in your face. Freedom is for fucking pussies.

I consider it a state ideology, sorry man, and I dont consider to have anything to do with freedom anymore, that would be if gay sex or sodomy were punished by law, but it isnt. In Austria the police has rainbowflags and I might get censored or arrested by them. So actually my freedom of conscious is restricted, I also have no right to pull out my kid from sex education lessons or like that.

 

[Mortimer]

Yeah, good on your Mort, get those fucking gays who are in your face. Freedom is for fucking pussies.

In the US you have a right to homeschooling you dont need to send your kid to public schools in Austria you are not allowed to do so.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I didn't say that.

You said it.

Try to control yourself please.

Yes, I know I said that. Why would you think you said something in a post I wrote?

Very confusing.

 

[skye]

Good on you Mortimer!

 

[frigidweirdo]

I consider it a state ideology, sorry man, and I dont consider to have anything to do with freedom anymore, that would be if gay sex or sodomy were punished by law, but it isnt. In Austria the police has rainbowflags and I might get censored or arrested by them. So actually my freedom of conscious is restricted, I also have no right to pull out my kid from sex education lessons or like that.

A "state ideology"?

Freedom is not absolute. Absolute freedom would be anarchy. And anarchy would lead to strong men taking control and enslaving everyone.

Freedom, when it is balanced, means that individuals can do whatever they like as long as it doesn't harm others.

So an individual can have sex with whomever they like. But with limitations. They have to be consenting. They have to be over the legal age (because minors can't consent). They can't do it if it's going to spread something like HIV/AIDS.

That's freedom.
You are allowed to hate gay people. Freedom allows the freedom to go against freedom. But it doesn't allow for you to actively do something about it. You can't shoot gay people. You can't prevent them being normal first class citizens.

 

[Mortimer]

A "state ideology"?

Freedom is not absolute. Absolute freedom would be anarchy. And anarchy would lead to strong men taking control and enslaving everyone.

Freedom, when it is balanced, means that individuals can do whatever they like as long as it doesn't harm others.

So an individual can have sex with whomever they like. But with limitations. They have to be consenting. They have to be over the legal age (because minors can't consent). They can't do it if it's going to spread something like HIV/AIDS.

That's freedom.
You are allowed to hate gay people. Freedom allows the freedom to go against freedom. But it doesn't allow for you to actively do something about it. You can't shoot gay people. You can't prevent them being normal first class citizens.

Yes like state church, state ideology, like marxism was the state ideology of the soviet union. The capitol has the rainbowflag, the military the police has the rainbowflag, every political party, and even the churches both protestant and catholic. And I guess if I burned a rainbow flag i would be arrested, so yes it is a state ideology.

 

[Oddball]

The local Catholic University here in my province put up the rainbow flag and celebrated pride. I protested and now it seems they have taken down the social media post where they celebrate pride.

Now enroll in helicopter pilot training.

You will be needed and appreciated.

 

[Mortimer]

Good on you Mortimer!

Thank you BUT unfortunately my protest did not change anything it is still there. Maybe I was just banned for some time from the site. I see it now again.

 

[skye]

Thank you BUT unfortunately my protest did not change anything it is still there. Maybe I was just banned for some time from the site. I see it now again.

But you tried, and that's what counts!

 

[frigidweirdo]

In the US you have a right to homeschooling you dont need to send your kid to public schools in Austria you are not allowed to do so.

Okay, and?
Kids don't really have much freedom, they're limited because they're kids.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes like state church, state ideology, like marxism was the state ideology of the soviet union. The capitol has the rainbowflag, the military the police has the rainbowflag, every political party, and even the churches both protestant and catholic. And I guess if I burned a rainbow flag i would be arrested, so yes it is a state ideology.

Tolerance as a state ideology isn't such a bad thing, wouldn't you say?

Where would you rather live, in a society with conflict, danger at every corner, or a safe place?

You live in Austria, a safe country. A country where you can go out at night.

Why not move the South Africa and see how scared you feel.