I don't get the logic of trying to restrict Muslims already here

[kaz]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

Ah, you have read the fake news.

There is no muslim ban. Only foreign citizens of the countries US is in war with (for example) are not welcome.

As for logic, muslims commit 99.9% of terrorist attacks, and these places are 3rd world hell holes (meaning rape, theft murder). Do you want to turn into a 3rd world country?

Ah, you haven't read the OP. Nowhere did I say there is a Muslim ban and you didn't answer the question in the OP.

Also, read post #8

 

[BULLDOG]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

There is no Muslim registry.

Yet. Trump wants one.

 

[kaz]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

It makes as much sense as WWII internment camps did, none at all.

This is all part of a larger effort of the power structure to target an outgroup for the masses to focus their frustration on. This power structure at this juncture knows full well it has lost all semblance of legitimacy. The economic system is predatory and no longer has any ties to production, goods/services, work, or a healthy society. The attention and focus of “the people” must be directed elsewhere less the masses turn their anxiety and gaze toward the system itself and question it. Ours is still an authoritarian colonial societal wealth extraction paradigm.

Blah blah, Marxist rhetoric, blah blah

 

[kaz]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

There is no Muslim registry.

Why did you post that? You didn't read the OP?

I did read it and you seem to be talking about possible adverse consequences of a Muslim registry, so it is relevant to say there is no Muslim registry.

OK, since you're not following the news, I'll explain it to you.

Trump and Republicans have talked a lot about how to protect us from terrorists immigrating here and attacking us. Many of the proposals make sense to me. The registry and trying to restrict Muslims already here doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how we do those things and they lead to a reduction in terror for a terrorist who's already here.

So I asked anyone who supports those limits to explain it to me.

Your comment that there is currently no registry is in every way irrelevant to that question. No shit Dick Tracey, I know there's currently no registry. Saying that casts no information on anything in my OP which never said there was

As far as I know there was one mention of a possible Muslim registry during the campaign and no mentions of restricting any activities of Muslims, so it's just not clear what it is you are worried about.

So you're a Nancy Pelosi you have to read it to find out what it says guy, huh? No bother discussing it before we do it

 

[toomuchtime_]

If and when a Muslim registry is created, more than forty million Americans will register as "Muslim".

You are right: even if the non-Muslims don't register, a registry and ban here won't work.

lol The only way to register as a Muslim is to convert to Islam.

Who says? You?

tmt, a Muslim does not have an "I am a bonafide card carrying Muslim" card.

It does not work that way. All any one has to say is that "I am not a believer in Allah and in His Prophet, Mohammed." End of story.

It is a federal crime to lie to federal officials. Madeleine Albright's bizarre threat to register as a Muslim in a non existent Muslim registry is just another example of how absolutely rudderless and intellectually vacuous the Democratic Party is.

True. Now what if you answer my question. What is the theory behind a registry that would lead to fewer terrorist attacks?

There is none. It was just a stupid idea among many stupid ideas that came out during the campaign. However, there is heightened surveillance of Muslim communities and there will be in the future because there is concern there may be some parts of these communities that encourage ideologies that lead to terrorism.

I support that just as I support heightened surveillance of extreme right wing groups that encourage ideologies that might lead to acts of terrorism.

 

[Norman]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

Ah, you have read the fake news.

There is no muslim ban. Only foreign citizens of the countries US is in war with (for example) are not welcome.

As for logic, muslims commit 99.9% of terrorist attacks, and these places are 3rd world hell holes (meaning rape, theft murder). Do you want to turn into a 3rd world country?

Ah, you haven't read the OP. Nowhere did I say there is a Muslim ban and you didn't answer the question in the OP.

Also, read post #8

Ah, well in that case the OP is not very relevant. Who is restricting American Muslims?

But to answer it anyway, Muslims are more prone to terrorism and crime (very high percentage of the prison population).

Therefore it makes more sense to monitor them, if that is what you were asking.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is no Muslim registry.

Why did you post that? You didn't read the OP?

I did read it and you seem to be talking about possible adverse consequences of a Muslim registry, so it is relevant to say there is no Muslim registry.

OK, since you're not following the news, I'll explain it to you.

Trump and Republicans have talked a lot about how to protect us from terrorists immigrating here and attacking us. Many of the proposals make sense to me. The registry and trying to restrict Muslims already here doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how we do those things and they lead to a reduction in terror for a terrorist who's already here.

So I asked anyone who supports those limits to explain it to me.

Your comment that there is currently no registry is in every way irrelevant to that question. No shit Dick Tracey, I know there's currently no registry. Saying that casts no information on anything in my OP which never said there was

As far as I know there was one mention of a possible Muslim registry during the campaign and no mentions of restricting any activities of Muslims, so it's just not clear what it is you are worried about.

Then we both agree there should be no registry on Muslims here. Good.

lol Pretty much everyone agrees on that, Don Quixote.

 

[kaz]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

As long as there are mosques that can radicalize Muslims, even those of a second generation, we have to be practical. We want to see their passports, where they have been traveling and for how long.

OK, and then in the OP I ask you how that works. We do that, then what happens that leads to fewer attacks from people who are already here?

 

[BULLDOG]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

Ah, you have read the fake news.

There is no muslim ban. Only foreign citizens of the countries US is in war with (for example) are not welcome.

As for logic, muslims commit 99.9% of terrorist attacks, and these places are 3rd world hell holes (meaning rape, theft murder). Do you want to turn into a 3rd world country?

RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS ARE A BIGGER THREAT TO AMERICA THAN ISIS
Right-Wing Extremists Are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS

 

[kaz]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

Ah, you have read the fake news.

There is no muslim ban. Only foreign citizens of the countries US is in war with (for example) are not welcome.

As for logic, muslims commit 99.9% of terrorist attacks, and these places are 3rd world hell holes (meaning rape, theft murder). Do you want to turn into a 3rd world country?

Ah, you haven't read the OP. Nowhere did I say there is a Muslim ban and you didn't answer the question in the OP.

Also, read post #8

Ah, well in that case the OP is not very relevant. Who is restricting American Muslims?

Gotcha Nancy Pelosi, we have to pass it to find out what's in it. No use discussing something before we do it

 

[kaz]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

Ah, you have read the fake news.

There is no muslim ban. Only foreign citizens of the countries US is in war with (for example) are not welcome.

As for logic, muslims commit 99.9% of terrorist attacks, and these places are 3rd world hell holes (meaning rape, theft murder). Do you want to turn into a 3rd world country?

RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS ARE A BIGGER THREAT TO AMERICA THAN ISIS
Right-Wing Extremists Are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS

I can always count on you to bring up radical leftist hyperbole. Thanks for that contribution to the discussion, I was getting worried we wouldn't have it this time.

Speaking of hysteria, how's your campaign to make our government a rigid intolerant theocracy where hos don't display skin because it makes you horny? Burkas would really do it for you, huh?

 

[toomuchtime_]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

There is no Muslim registry.

Yet. Trump wants one.

lol It sounds more like Democrats want one so they will have something to complain about.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

It makes as much sense as WWII internment camps did, none at all.

This is all part of a larger effort of the power structure to target an outgroup for the masses to focus their frustration on. This power structure at this juncture knows full well it has lost all semblance of legitimacy. The economic system is predatory and no longer has any ties to production, goods/services, work, or a healthy society. The attention and focus of “the people” must be directed elsewhere less the masses turn their anxiety and gaze toward the system itself and question it. Ours is still an authoritarian colonial societal wealth extraction paradigm.

Blah blah, Marxist rhetoric, blah blah

Pretty lame way out, but it sure gets you away from dealing with concepts and ideas.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is no Muslim registry.

Why did you post that? You didn't read the OP?

I did read it and you seem to be talking about possible adverse consequences of a Muslim registry, so it is relevant to say there is no Muslim registry.

OK, since you're not following the news, I'll explain it to you.

Trump and Republicans have talked a lot about how to protect us from terrorists immigrating here and attacking us. Many of the proposals make sense to me. The registry and trying to restrict Muslims already here doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how we do those things and they lead to a reduction in terror for a terrorist who's already here.

So I asked anyone who supports those limits to explain it to me.

Your comment that there is currently no registry is in every way irrelevant to that question. No shit Dick Tracey, I know there's currently no registry. Saying that casts no information on anything in my OP which never said there was

As far as I know there was one mention of a possible Muslim registry during the campaign and no mentions of restricting any activities of Muslims, so it's just not clear what it is you are worried about.

So you're a Nancy Pelosi you have to read it to find out what it says guy, huh? No bother discussing it before we do it

It's more like I'm not a chicken little kind of guy running around shouting the sky is falling.

 

[kaz]

Why did you post that? You didn't read the OP?

I did read it and you seem to be talking about possible adverse consequences of a Muslim registry, so it is relevant to say there is no Muslim registry.

OK, since you're not following the news, I'll explain it to you.

Trump and Republicans have talked a lot about how to protect us from terrorists immigrating here and attacking us. Many of the proposals make sense to me. The registry and trying to restrict Muslims already here doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how we do those things and they lead to a reduction in terror for a terrorist who's already here.

So I asked anyone who supports those limits to explain it to me.

Your comment that there is currently no registry is in every way irrelevant to that question. No shit Dick Tracey, I know there's currently no registry. Saying that casts no information on anything in my OP which never said there was

As far as I know there was one mention of a possible Muslim registry during the campaign and no mentions of restricting any activities of Muslims, so it's just not clear what it is you are worried about.

Then we both agree there should be no registry on Muslims here. Good.

lol Pretty much everyone agrees on that, Don Quixote.

So if you agree with me on that, then shouldn't you want those who support it to explain it like I asked instead of just repeating your mantra it hasn't happened and you don't want to talk about it? Speaking of which, since you post over and over you don't want to talk about it, why are you here in this thread? Is your opinion so sainted that it's important we all know you don't want to talk about it?

 

[Wyatt earp]

If and when a Muslim registry is created, more than forty million Americans will register as "Muslim".

You are right: even if the non-Muslims don't register, a registry and ban here won't work.

40 million? Bwahaha try 400.

 

[kaz]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

It makes as much sense as WWII internment camps did, none at all.

This is all part of a larger effort of the power structure to target an outgroup for the masses to focus their frustration on. This power structure at this juncture knows full well it has lost all semblance of legitimacy. The economic system is predatory and no longer has any ties to production, goods/services, work, or a healthy society. The attention and focus of “the people” must be directed elsewhere less the masses turn their anxiety and gaze toward the system itself and question it. Ours is still an authoritarian colonial societal wealth extraction paradigm.

Blah blah, Marxist rhetoric, blah blah

Pretty lame way out, but it sure gets you away from dealing with concepts and ideas.

Actually I'm pointing out that's what you are doing. When you respond to a post with Marxist rhetoric, what sort of answer are you expecting?

 

[kaz]

If and when a Muslim registry is created, more than forty million Americans will register as "Muslim".

You are right: even if the non-Muslims don't register, a registry and ban here won't work.

40 million? Bwahaha try 400.

I don't think that's true. Look at all the liberals who delivered on their threat to move to Canada if Trump won?

Oh, wait, it is true ...

 

[Jackson]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it works

As long as there are mosques that can radicalize Muslims, even those of a second generation, we have to be practical. We want to see their passports, where they have been traveling and for how long.

OK, and then in the OP I ask you how that works. We do that, then what happens that leads to fewer attacks from people who are already here?

Those who register will have passports examined and found to be visiting places of ISIS training camps for extended periods of time could be investigated and followed to see if there are plots in the making. We also need moles inside of mosques, in my opinion.

 

[kaz]

Why did you post that? You didn't read the OP?

I did read it and you seem to be talking about possible adverse consequences of a Muslim registry, so it is relevant to say there is no Muslim registry.

OK, since you're not following the news, I'll explain it to you.

Trump and Republicans have talked a lot about how to protect us from terrorists immigrating here and attacking us. Many of the proposals make sense to me. The registry and trying to restrict Muslims already here doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how we do those things and they lead to a reduction in terror for a terrorist who's already here.

So I asked anyone who supports those limits to explain it to me.

Your comment that there is currently no registry is in every way irrelevant to that question. No shit Dick Tracey, I know there's currently no registry. Saying that casts no information on anything in my OP which never said there was

As far as I know there was one mention of a possible Muslim registry during the campaign and no mentions of restricting any activities of Muslims, so it's just not clear what it is you are worried about.

So you're a Nancy Pelosi you have to read it to find out what it says guy, huh? No bother discussing it before we do it

It's more like I'm not a chicken little kind of guy running around shouting the sky is falling.

Show anywhere I said that you fucking useless prick.

So just to be clear, you oppose a registry and you oppose someone coming out and opposing the registry and you keep posting in a thread that you say you don't care about because it hasn't happened. And I called you a useless prick. Nailed it!

Cut the trolling