I don't get the logic of trying to restrict Muslims already here

[tycho1572]

White supremacists, nationalists, and racialist are all far right wing because it is all rooted in American conservatism from earliest days.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it would work

Edit: I am not saying there IS a ban on Muslims or a registry. I am asking IF we did it then HOW would it reduce terror attacks?

The govt has already said they don't know anything about those already here or where they're at or what they're up to, the registery would atleast help with that though probably still not perfect.

As I pointed out though, the ones who are going to register and comply are the ones who aren't a threat. If they are a threat, they are either going to attack immediately or hide until they can

Thus no real reason for a Registry.

It can't work constitutionally and realistically. It is self defeating.

 

[BULLDOG]

I can't determine what choices you feel you need to make, but on our soil, white supremacists commit more terrorist acts than anyone else by a long shot. Do with that bit of information what you will, but you can't deny that it's true.

How do you know that when the Obama administration was categorizing San Bernardino as "workplace violence" and Orlando as a "hate crime?" You don't know how many Muslim terrorist acts there were.

The only way you can get that is by starting the clock after 9/11 and doing like Obama and pretending Muslim attacks for religion aren't Muslim attacks for religion.

And if you want to split hairs, you didn't say that, you said they are a bigger "threat" than Muslim extremists, which is total loon

You're floundering now. What happens on our soil is always a bigger concern than anything else.

Yes, and clearly Muslims are a greater threat to anyone who isn't an idiot, who is knowledgeable of the world around them and isn't a partisan hack.

You are none of those. You are an idiot, you are not knowledgeable of the world around you and you are totally a partisan hack. Spend some time in Europe. I was there for several of the attacks. Even the surrender monkeys are getting it through their thick heads. So far you have remained unaffected by knowledge and awareness of the threat of Muslim terrorism. What's a bunch of dead Jews and fags to you, huh?

So you gave up on any mature response. You lasted longer this time than usual.

You never were mature, your typical conversation. Saying that right wing is a greater threat than Muslim isn't in any way adult. It's just partisan hack

That's not exactly what I said, but I understand how a RWNJ could think that's what I said.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm against registering Muslims, you fucking moron. Read the OP, idiot.

And my choices are that I have to be for a Muslim registry or I have to think Right Wingers are a bigger threat than Muslims. You really are a fucking moron, BULLSHIT

I can't determine what choices you feel you need to make, but on our soil, white supremacists commit more terrorist acts than anyone else by a long shot. Do with that bit of information what you will, but you can't deny that it's true.

White supremacists are a bigger terrorist threat on American soil than anyone else. That is a fact that you can't disprove.

White supremacists, nationalists, and racialist have ALWAYS been the biggest terrorist threat on American soil.

And when have the KKK ever worn a suicide vest or planted a bomb or flew planes into buildings to kill mass numbers?

There's nothing right wing about white supremacists either. That's just another canard leftists get away with since the media is liberal

Nothing, other than the fact that they are celebrating Trump's election, and say he represents everything they represent.

Yet that standard changes when discussing the Communist party endorsing every Democrat. You are a liar

And there it is.

Problem: RWNJ spirals into an incoherent blubbering mass
Solution: Accuse them of being Communist.

At least you have that tried and true method to fall back on.

 

[kaz]

How do you know that when the Obama administration was categorizing San Bernardino as "workplace violence" and Orlando as a "hate crime?" You don't know how many Muslim terrorist acts there were.

The only way you can get that is by starting the clock after 9/11 and doing like Obama and pretending Muslim attacks for religion aren't Muslim attacks for religion.

And if you want to split hairs, you didn't say that, you said they are a bigger "threat" than Muslim extremists, which is total loon

You're floundering now. What happens on our soil is always a bigger concern than anything else.

Yes, and clearly Muslims are a greater threat to anyone who isn't an idiot, who is knowledgeable of the world around them and isn't a partisan hack.

You are none of those. You are an idiot, you are not knowledgeable of the world around you and you are totally a partisan hack. Spend some time in Europe. I was there for several of the attacks. Even the surrender monkeys are getting it through their thick heads. So far you have remained unaffected by knowledge and awareness of the threat of Muslim terrorism. What's a bunch of dead Jews and fags to you, huh?

So you gave up on any mature response. You lasted longer this time than usual.

You never were mature, your typical conversation. Saying that right wing is a greater threat than Muslim isn't in any way adult. It's just partisan hack

That's not exactly what I said, but I understand how a RWNJ could think that's what I said.

Hey, it's a free country. You have a right to be a loon. And people who do grasp reality have the right to point it out

 

[kaz]

I can't determine what choices you feel you need to make, but on our soil, white supremacists commit more terrorist acts than anyone else by a long shot. Do with that bit of information what you will, but you can't deny that it's true.

White supremacists, nationalists, and racialist have ALWAYS been the biggest terrorist threat on American soil.

And when have the KKK ever worn a suicide vest or planted a bomb or flew planes into buildings to kill mass numbers?

There's nothing right wing about white supremacists either. That's just another canard leftists get away with since the media is liberal

Nothing, other than the fact that they are celebrating Trump's election, and say he represents everything they represent.

Yet that standard changes when discussing the Communist party endorsing every Democrat. You are a liar

And there it is.

Problem: RWNJ spirals into an incoherent blubbering mass
Solution: Accuse them of being Communist.

At least you have that tried and true method to fall back on.

I didn't accuse you in that post of being a Communist, you have no reading comprehension. You are a Marxist, but that doesn't change that you can't read. That post also shows you can't follow simple logic

 

[JakeStarkey]

And when have the KKK ever worn a suicide vest or planted a bomb or flew planes into buildings to kill mass numbers?

There's nothing right wing about white supremacists either. That's just another canard leftists get away with since the media is liberal

Nothing, other than the fact that they are celebrating Trump's election, and say he represents everything they represent.

Yet that standard changes when discussing the Communist party endorsing every Democrat. You are a liar

And there it is.

Problem: RWNJ spirals into an incoherent blubbering mass
Solution: Accuse them of being Communist.

At least you have that tried and true method to fall back on.

I didn't accuse you in that post of being a Communist, you have no reading comprehension. You are a Marxist, but that doesn't change that you can't read. That post also shows you can't follow simple logic

Plenty of people are Big Government (Trump is such) without being Marxist. I don't think it means what you think it means.

 

[xyz]

It was the goal of the Russians to cause chaos in the US, as stated in the reports. Trump is following orders.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

If and when a Muslim registry is created, more than forty million Americans will register as "Muslim".

You are right: even if the non-Muslims don't register, a registry and ban here won't work.

There is not going to be a Muslim registry. It is nothing more than fear mongering. Such a thing would be unconstitutional

 

[yiostheoy]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it would work

Edit: I am not saying there IS a ban on Muslims or a registry. I am asking IF we did it then HOW would it reduce terror attacks?

FDR demonstrated how this works.

It's called internment camps.

We can build them with their own free mosques in them too.

 

[kaz]

I totally get restricting Muslims coming into the US from the terror exporting countries Trump identified. No one has the right to come here and the first job of the Federal government is to protect the American people. We know and ISIS is saying they are putting plants in the emigres.

However, I don't get the logic of how trying to do things like register Muslims already here is going to lead to fewer terrorist attacks.

For example, the attack on the Brussels airport was on the airport because the terrorists were targeting France and they realized the government was closing in on them so they picked an alternative target.

The number of Muslims who would attack us are a tiny percent of the ones here. Obviously the ones who want to stay here and live here would comply even if they resent it. The ones who do want to attack us would move up their attack like Brussels or hide with family and friends or maybe they just register if they have nothing in their background. The San Bernardino shooters could have registered and it would have solved nothing.

Again the point of this question is just strategically, how does this help us? It is not a question of being "fair." I don't get how it would work

Edit: I am not saying there IS a ban on Muslims or a registry. I am asking IF we did it then HOW would it reduce terror attacks?

FDR demonstrated how this works.

It's called internment camps.

We can build them with their own free mosques in them too.

Internment camps are where we don't allow Japanese to enter the country? Wow, you're an idiot