I didn't vote for long term tariffs.

[Winston]

The problem with tariffs is they are hard to eliminate once they are in place. The goal is to stimulate one's domestic production.

So now you're relying on American manufacturers' to pick up the ball and make a better product. Think it'll happen? Well, go check out a full walmarx parking lot and let me know.

Funny, years ago Walmart ran a huge promotion. "Made in America". They had fancy signs, huge displays, all promoting products made in American. I went over like a turd in a punchbowl. Practically no results, and was quickly abandoned.

 

[hondo 50]

There's a lot of good manufacturing and products in the US and other choice countries. Go look at a good and genuine Amish table. Compare it with the fast-growth-tree furniture at Big Friggin Lots. Panasonic Jap TVs had the least repairs and people insisted that walmax tee vees were the same thing. Ya, keep buying that walmarx pet "food" that killed your dog.

 

[hondo 50]

Funny, years ago Walmart ran a huge promotion. "Made in America". They had fancy signs, huge displays, all promoting products made in American. I went over like a turd in a punchbowl. Practically no results, and was quickly abandoned.

Because they got busted when some reporter came in and looked at the chink labels.

 

[hondo 50]

Right, that's true of course but it doesn't mean we cannot trust people with expertise as trumpanzees love to do.

Hey chief; there are "experts" on fux news, too.

 

[Darkwind]

Okay, so how quickly do you expect all that to happen? It is no small feat to bring back manufacturing power back from overseas or elsewhere and re-hire all that outsourced labor from the American workforce.

I don't expect that it will be complete before Trump leaves office. It's not like the companies that are going to move here to avoid the tariffs are going to be able to do it in a month or 10. I imagine it will be a trickle at first, and gain momentum after that. If Vance wins the next election and sticks to the plan, then I expect the US will be back to being a manufacturing powerhouse by 2032 or shortly after that.

I didn't really vote for Trump to lower prices of goods. That isn't really the way our economy works. He'll have to drop the cost of energy significantly in order to move that needle at all. And that too will take time. The cost of transportation is at least half the cost of the inflated prices, if not more.

I voted for Trump to keep the fascist/Marxists/Critical Theory destroyers of the worlds out of power.

 

[westwall]

Funny, because Pelosi was constantly kicking Trumps ass with only a small majority of democrats in the House. Trump still had the Senate, and Pelosi still beat him like a red headed step child.

Indeed she did. She's a corrupt bitch with decades of insider knowledge on how to play the game. How else do you think she amassed her vast fortune?

It ain't because her husband is the best stock picker in world history.

And you support that corruption.

Why?

 

[whitehall]

I didn't vote for a minority party that blocked the effort by republicans and Trump to make little girl's lockers and showers safe from confused boys in dresses not to mention women who train all their lives for a shot at big time athletics and are beaten and bruised by men pretending to be women. Maybe the radical left should quit whining and face the reality of the Trump administration.

 

[Votto]

He ran on tariffs. I mean, he even said it was his favorite word. lol

Trump even implemented tariffs his last term that Biden kept in place.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/china-tariffs-biden-policy/index.html

 

[Edgetho]

I voted for Trump to lower prices. I voted for him not to cause trade wars with other countries. Now we're all going to see price increases.

I hope those willing to endure the economic hardship so we can stick it to other countries can justify to me why this was necessary. Why did we need these tariffs when we could have done something to ease the pain here in America?

If you voted for Trump and didn't realize that Tariffs were at the top of his To-Do list, you should be embarrassed

 

[TemplarKormac]

So we should continue the imbalanced trade with others?

Hmm, so, there are already tariffs on our goods coming from other countries, while we don't tariff theirs.

By slapping a reciprocal tariff on their goods, we have effectively added a net increase onto that good or service.

For example, a good or service being tariffed by oh, say Canada, for 25%. Now you've added a reciprocal 25% tariff on top of it.

While it may look fair and balanced to you, it has effectively doubled the price of that good or service beyond its original value. What we were originally paying because of one tariff is now more because you have tariffs going both ways now.

So was it better to pay just for the tariff just the one country is hitting us with? Or is it better to pay for a product that is now 50% more than it's base value because of an added reciprocal tariff?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hey chief; there are "experts" on fux news, too.

Maga has a disdain for intellectuals (as they have for blacks, immigrants, drag queens, vaccines, climate science, libraries, federal workers...) and you likely share that because it's almost a condition of membership to the trumpanzee club.

So you need to go and think and decide who you respect, trust and believe, I can't do that for you and if it's Trump's name that comes up so be it, that's your choice.

 

[TemplarKormac]

If you voted for Trump and didn't realize that Tariffs were at the top of his To-Do list, you should be embarrassed

I know exactly what I voted for. I didn't think they would be used as a shock an awe tactic against our trade partners.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Let's examine that. Currently, Toyota is manufacturing the Tacoma in Mexico. That plant, build from the ground up in 2016, replaced the production of the Tacoma in San Antonio.

Here is the thing, manufacturers moving production to the United States might mean they won't have to pay the tariffs, but the American consumer will stay pay the cost. If it cost more to produce here in the United States than it does in Mexico, then the American consumer is going to pay that higher cost. No tariffs paid, higher cost for the consumer anyway.

Tariffs are something that you have to be very, very careful about. And for reasons that are much, much deeper than you've expressed here. Or than anything I've read in the thread itself, honestly.

Cutting the size of government iself is what is most important at the moment. And the more practical route.

 

[martybegan]

Hmm, so, there are already tariffs on our goods coming from other countries, while we don't tariff theirs.

By slapping a reciprocal tariff on their goods, we have effectively added a net increase onto that good or service.

For example, a good or service being tariffed by oh, say Canada, for 25%. Now you've added a reciprocal 25% tariff on top of it.

While it may look fair and balanced to you, it has effectively doubled the price of that good or service beyond its original value. What we were originally paying because of one tariff is now more because you have tariffs going both ways now.

So was it better to pay just for the tariff just the one country is hitting us with? Or is it better to pay for a product that is now 50% more than it's base value because of an added reciprocal tariff?

or is it better to use the tariffs to get the other countries to the negotiating table to settle all sorts of trade issues?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Maga has a disdain for intellectuals (as they have for blacks, immigrants, drag queens, vaccines, climate science, libraries, federal workers...) and you likely share that because it's almost a condition of membership to the trumpanzee club.

Snort. That's a riot coming from you man. I'm sorry.

 

[BackAgain]

He ran on tariffs. I mean, he even said it was his favorite word. lol

Yep.

 

[Edgetho]

I know exactly what I voted for. I didn't think they would be used as a shock an awe tactic against our trade partners.

 

[TemplarKormac]

or is it better to use the tariffs to get the other countries to the negotiating table to settle all sorts of trade issues?

I hate dealing in what ifs. But I'll use one here.

What if these countries decide it's better to wait us out? Then what? While we can sustain the economic impact, they can surmise that the people won't tolerate it for too long before they vote the responsible party out of office in the mid-terms and elect the opposing party president in 2028. They can simply wait for a more favorable environment to manifest itself, where the tariffs could or would be rescinded.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Say what you will. But I have my limits.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Snort. That's a riot coming from you man. I'm sorry.

Hey, you voted for the dunce, don't expect sympathy from me if all of a sudden he acts like the idiot he is. Maybe you'll be able to correct your mistake in four years