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[ding]

you would call murder a misdemeanor? Does it become a felony at birth?

I think you are trying to overly complicate this because you don't want to consider it a crime even if it is only a misdemeanor.

 

[ding]

More than anger, it seemed like you were calling in some reinforcement. I would welcome Ding because he cant's bear to stay on topic and on maintaining decent behaviour with anyone who challenges his beliefs. Do you know why he can't allow his POV to stand as representing his beliefs.
I think it's the same reason why you felt you could do better with his input. I don't think there's any Christian on this forum who could add anything positive to your arguments. Rather, any additions to your POV just bring in more contradictions.

I think you would be wrong to invite his input. Ding would destroy all the progress that we've found possible between us.

Ding needs a concluding answer to the bible stories, while you and I are content to leave it to one's own opinion, as the Catholic church suggests must be the only conclusion.

And now I'm left with nothing on which to disagree, until you or Ding create something. Perhaps that's what he means when he keeps obsessing about me being passive aggressive?

tl/dr

 

[ding]

6 weeks / misdemeanor - who's the sinner.

they claim a 6 week holiday before the religious zealots have to begin their persecution of pregnant women. bing.

- have to wonder how long the 6 weeker's will last before the zealots turn on them ...

It's quite sensible to make the penalty for abortion a misdemeanor.

 

[ding]

And so Ding and Meri, how does this work for you?

The Catholic church proclaimed that the flock could believe whatever they chose to believe on the bible stories, and particulary on Genesis. That is, as long as they believed that the god created everything. (we don't need to open that can of worms on how the two could be possible?)

That's where was are now on the questions and we're all quite happy with leaving it at that.

Many years ago (30?) Meri's granny understood that many of the bible stories were bogus and she wasn't afraid to say so. That understanding was then adopted by Meri, and apparently by Ding too. To be commended for being modern Christians!

And so what's left to debate?

Well, except that all the other Christians and Jews are left holding an empty bag.

Maybe try restating what you think the Catholic Church teaches or better yet actually copy and paste it from the Catechism. Because you haven't ever gotten this right despite my repeated attempts at correcting you.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

How many times do I have to tell you I'm no saint?

do you or do you not insist upon charging every woman who chooses to terminate her own pregnancy to be arrested in the privacy of her own home and charged and penalized under a misdemeanor violation
so she can be publicly shamed before the Republican Party Sainthood of right wing political extremism.

 

[ding]

do you or do you not insist upon charging every woman who chooses to terminate her own pregnancy to be arrested in the privacy of her own home and charged and penalized under a misdemeanor violation
so she can be publicly shamed before the Republican Party Sainthood of right wing political extremism.

People don't get arrested for misdemeanors. It's like a speeding ticket. I've had speeding tickets before. They're not so bad. Maybe the thing is you don't see anything wrong with ending a human life.

As for sainthoods, you're making a real strong case for your sainthood given all the moral arguments you make.

 

[ding]

terminate her own pregnancy

You can't even say what it is. It's literally killing the life that is growing inside her.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You can't even say what it is. It's literally killing the life that is growing inside her.

you are a liar.

i. ding iv,dclxix : People who are pro-abortion deny abortion kills a living human being. dvng 220812 Srvwgo04669

ii. NotfooledbyW xiii,lxxii to 4669: I am in full support for a woman in an unwanted pregnancy to be at liberty to decide to kill the living human being inside her own body until any Christian or other religious political Republican Party zealot can make the case that such an act will cause harm to them or to the detriment of civilization in progress as a whole. nfbw 241123 Vrvwgo13072

 

[ding]

you are a liar.

Not sure how it was a lie because I quoted the post where you didn't say that, but ok, if you want to own up to saying abortion kills the human life growing inside her, I won't stop you from saying that.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Not sure how it was a lie because

it’s a lie because you know goddamn well I said that to you in the past - it’s in writing.

I do not choose to use the Republican sainthood phraseology when saying “termination of a pregnancy“ is the normal way normal human say it. You Saint Ding being a goddamn Republican saint and authoritarian expect everyone to use language that fits your limited understanding of the natural world and all the kinds of humans that live in it.

just because you consider yourself to be above everybody else, does that mean everybody else has to obey your dictates on the usage of language?

 

[ding]

it’s a lie because you know goddamn well I said that to you in the past - it’s in writing.

Whatever you said in the past has absolutely nothing to do with you trying to soften or sugar coat it now.

I was responding to THIS specific sugar coating. Call it what it is everytime and we won't have to go through this again.

 

[ding]

I do not choose to use the Republican sainthood phraseology when saying “termination of a pregnancy“ is the normal way normal human say it. You Saint Ding being a goddamn Republican saint and authoritarian expect everyone to use language that fits your limited understanding of the natural world and all the kinds of humans that live in it.

just because you consider yourself to be above everybody else, does that mean everybody else has to obey your dictates on the usage of language?

The only one acting like a self righteous saint is you. I'm certainly no saint. And if you spoke to me in person like you are speaking to me now, I'd show you I was no saint. I've said many times there's nothing special about me, so if you are feeling inferior, I suggest you examine yourself. But let me be very clear here, everytime you try to soften what abortion is, I'll be there to correct you. Fair enough?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

soften what abortion is,

Abortion by the purposeful choice of the woman who chooses for herself to get it done causes no harm to you; no harm to your friends and family; no harm to the fellow residents in the state in which you live; no harm to the United States of America; no harm to the civilization of the world during this history of all mankind.

Zero harm is done when a woman kills the living human being being developed inside her body.

your desire to restrict a woman’s liberty who seeks to terminate her own pregnancy is cruel and unusual punishment and invasion of her privacy.. You behave as a saint even though you yourself cannot experience pregnancy.

Normal people can imagine, but you have no imagination; just contempt and loathing for people who don’t live up to your standards.

You do have standards don’t you.

Morals are effectively standards. For any given thing there exists a standard which is the highest possible standard. This standard exists independent of anything else. It is in effect a universal standard. It exists for logical reasons.

The standard on when a state can deprive an individual of liberty, the individual must be given due process to determine if terminating one’s own pregnancy causes harm to others.

The standard truth is terminating of one’s pregnancy causes no harm to others living in their society.

 

[BreezeWood]

I think you are trying to overly complicate this because you don't want to consider it a crime even if it is only a misdemeanor.

there is no crime when allowed 6 weeks to have an abortion ... the zealots need to figure that out and put a stop to it, especially w/ new early testing many will seek refuge as is their right of self determination.

 

[rosends]

I think you are trying to overly complicate this because you don't want to consider it a crime even if it is only a misdemeanor.

Then you think quite poorly.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

there is no crime when allowed 6 weeks to have an abortion ... the zealots need to figure that out and put a stop to it, especially w/ new early testing many will seek refuge as is their right of self determination.

Saint Ding has anointed himself to be the Great Determinator of what happens in all
the Uteruses of America.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Like Massie, James Traficant also spoke up against AIPAC and paid for it with his career and life. He was a Congressman from Ohio.

​

What idiotic propaganda.

The anti Semitic freak Traficant ruined his own career by stealing .

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. Meriweather mcvii. to 1105. : In between posting I am usually doing something--water colors, cleaning out drawers and cupboards, photography, genealogy, and religious research and study. mrwthr 241201 Siasaf01107

ii. rosends mcxlviii to 1139 : you would call murder a misdemeanor? Does it become a felony at birth? rsnds 241203 Siasaf01148

iii. ding mclxi to 1148. : I think you are trying to overly complicate this because you don't want to consider it a crime even if it is only a misdemeanor. dvng 241203 Siasaf01161

iv. NotfooledbyW mclxxviii. to1161. : Why should any individual who gives consent to be governed by a STATE ever consider a CHURCH “sin” to be a crime?

Have you ever heard of separation of church and state Sire Ding? Or is it Squishy Ding? Or is it Snake Oil Salesman Ding? When the foo shitz wear it S. Ding

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[TruthNotBS]

you would call murder a misdemeanor? Does it become a felony at birth?

If abortion is murder then the "secular Jewish state" of Israel is up the creek without a paddle, because they perform more abortions per capita than in the US. How will the cohenim of the world survive, if they thumb their nose at Hashem, with their wholesale abortions, LGBTQ+++? How do you figure that the Jewish Israelis will defeat the Muslims when Jewish Israelis refuse to take control of the temple mount? There's no such thing as a secular liberal Israel.

 

[rosends]

If abortion is murder

Good thing I never said it is