Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

[rosends]

I would never have guessed that Judaism encourages a welfare state.

charity and assistance are requirements. Social programming is an obligation.

I would have thought it would have been the exact opposite. Just like I would never have guessed that Judaic principles meshed with big government and government involvement in business.

Judaic law is heavily involved in business. Entire sections of the code of law are dedicated to discussions of fair practices in business and the laws regarding all fiscal interactions and business practices.

Can you tell me which Judaic principles these would be?

In Judaism, for example, there is a principle called hasagat g'vul. If there is one pizza place open in a neighborhood, and another one wants to open, the local rabbinical board may not allow competition because it feels that the neighborhood can't support two pizza places and it wants to ensure that the first place doesn't suffer. This regulation would be anathema to a Republican.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I’ve always found it interesting that everyone seems to know as a certainty and with NASA-like precision, the exact percentage of American Jews that vote Democratic to three decimal points.

I have never filled out a ballot in my life that had a check box for “Jew”. I would never in my life identify myself as a Jew to a random stranger on the street asking me how I vote or a anonymous stranger on the phone claiming to be a pollster…

… and I don’t believe I’m alone in that.

In our more reform temples (I wouldn’t call them shuls), people are socially coerced to pretend to be social democrats to avoid arguments.

My parents, for example, voted for Nixon twice but would never tell anyone at temple for fear of being socially shunned.

What secret “jewdar” are these highly accurate pollsters using to extract voting patterns from Jewish voters?

Religion sometimes majes.people go with their gut feelings over mountains of data.

 

[rosends]

I’ve always found it interesting that everyone seems to know as a certainty and with NASA-like precision, the exact percentage of American Jews that vote Democratic to three decimal points.

I have never filled out a ballot in my life that had a check box for “Jew”. I would never in my life identify myself as a Jew to a random stranger on the street asking me how I vote or a anonymous stranger on the phone claiming to be a pollster…

… and I don’t believe I’m alone in that.

In our more reform temples (I wouldn’t call them shuls), people are socially coerced to pretend to be social democrats to avoid arguments.

My parents, for example, voted for Nixon twice but would never tell anyone at temple for fear of being socially shunned.

What secret “jewdar” are these highly accurate pollsters using to extract voting patterns from Jewish voters?

the data, what there is of it, has to be based on exit polling and can't take into account that people might not want to admit that they voted one way or the other so they might not tell the truth. And it presumes that each Jew's motives for voting one way or the other are identical with any other Jew who votes the same way. This strips the individual of identity, demanding that he be seen only as a group member engaging in group-think.

 

[Meriweather]

I am not a Democrat what are you talking about?

Did I say you were a Democrat? You have made it clear you are not. However, you do seem to weigh another's political affiliation greater than his/her faith. I'm merely pointing out that we can point people who are Democrats, there are other options that may better align with other personal, religious beliefs. Or is it your experience that Jews do not want any other political option?

 

[fncceo]

In Judaism, for example, there is a principle called hasagat g'vul. If there is one pizza place open in a neighborhood, and another one wants to open, the local rabbinical board may not allow competition because it feels that the neighborhood can't support two pizza places and it wants to ensure that the first place doesn't suffer. This regulation would be anathema to a Republican.

In fact, even under laissez faire Capitalism, this function is performed by lenders who will, as part of their due diligence, will check how many similar competitors there would be in a market before lending start up funds.

 

[rosends]

In fact, even under laissez faire Capitalism, this function is performed by lenders who will, as part of their due diligence, will check how many similar competitors there would be in a market before lending start up funds.

but that is the market at work, not a religion's imposing its values on businesses.

 

[ding]

what does that have to do with the Democratic party in the US? The question was regarding the platform positions of the US Democratic party and Jewish values and practices. Asking about Israel makes no sense.

My bad, I just figured Jewish values and Israeli values were synonymous. What's are the major differences between the two?

 

[ding]

yes

yes

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I don't think you understand either the platform positions of the democratic party or the depth of Judaism.

Please enlighten me.

 

[ding]

charity and assistance are requirements. Social programming is an obligation.

Judaic law is heavily involved in business. Entire sections of the code of law are dedicated to discussions of fair practices in business and the laws regarding all fiscal interactions and business practices.

In Judaism, for example, there is a principle called hasagat g'vul. If there is one pizza place open in a neighborhood, and another one wants to open, the local rabbinical board may not allow competition because it feels that the neighborhood can't support two pizza places and it wants to ensure that the first place doesn't suffer. This regulation would be anathema to a Republican.

Wait. Are you talking about Israel now? Because you just argued I was wrong to be comparing Israeli values with Judaic values, right?

 

[fncceo]

My bad, I just figured Jewish values and Israeli values were synonymous. What's are the major differences between the two?

They were as recently as the early 1980s.

When the Arabs morphed into “Palestinians” and became more politically savvy in manipulating the liberal media, the positions began to skew.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I have been posting here but rarely. I even walked away for a while. Recent events have made me understand my culture and faith on a higher level. I am a Jew, a son of parents whose parents fought the Nazis in the old Soviet Union. I lost a vast amount of my ancestors to WW2 and the Holocaust. There are very few of us left in the world. The vitriol against Jews remains high. With my kids ready for college, I cannot have them be under fire because of the hatred. We saw on our college campuses how most colleges took the side of protesters and even told Jewish students to study remotely. They cancelled graduations. They appeased those who would call for the end of Israel and for blatant antisemitism.

What unified both the far left and far right is their hatred of Jews. I get it form the Left. They see Jews as wealthy oppressors and white. That to them means evil. I see it from the Nazi alt right too. They want Hitler to finish what he started. What was troubling is that the moderates began to hate too.

Why?

Then it came to me. We bring this upon ourselves. People like Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Alejandro Mayorkas (yes he is a Jew), etc.

Let’s take Schiff for example. He bashed Hur for calling Biden a senile old man only to now ask Biden to step down because, well he is a senile old man. Why? Their lies were exposed. Schiff always knew this but lied to the American people. This feeds into the hateful narrative that Jews are deceitful.

Many, hell most Jews still vote Democrat despite the party overtly telling us they don’t want our vote just our money.

The faith is no longer with me. I ll pretend while my parents are still here. But once they are gone, so goes my faith and allegiance to Judaism. Same for my kids.

We are all walking away.

I share this here because despite all the hate this site has, it also has honesty and I respect that.

Writing this will likely result in some posts slamming me. And that’s fine. Actually therapeutic. In the end while I despise low life antisemites, I have to admit that I despise Democrat Jews equally.

Its time to leave the faith.

Thank you for reading.

I don't think this is a sad thing.

 

[ding]

They were as recently as the early 1980s.

When the Arabs morphed into “Palestinians” and became more politically savvy in manipulating the liberal media, the positions began to skew.

How so? More towards the right or left in Israel? Or was the shift in America? Or are you talking about Democrats?

 

[ding]

I don't think this is a sad thing.

I do, but was he ever really in the faith? Or just the culture/community? Either way I find it sad.

 

[Lisa558]

It’s my disgust with our people. It’s not about me. That’s my lane. Democrats are disgusting people and 75% of Jews in America are Democrats.

Find the Jews who are Republican. Do you have a chapter of the Republican Jewish Coalition? You’ll meet great people.

 

[kjw47]

they knew judaism's false hereditary idolatry, abraham and commandments madeup by moses et al were barriers to the fulfillment of humanities destiny deliberately manifested by those seeking their own selfish agenda than the true heavenly goals set from the beginning without prejudice and for all inclined for a life in the everlasting when properly achieved.

judaism, all three desert religions are equally culpable in their fallacy of heavenly renderings as their own self indulgences have proven throughout recorded history and is the true goal of the 1st century events to bring fruition to religion rather than senseless disorder.

They were Gods chosen, Moses was a righteous man used by God to lead his people and write bible books. The last straw for the Israelite religion was to reject the Messiah and send him to his death, But lovingly the door was left open to them( Matt 23:39) to return to God. To this very day they outright refuse=Jewish religion. Jesus started a new religion.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Jesus started a new religion.

Did he?

 

[Lisa558]

Did he?

Christians believe he did.

Jews believe that was not his intent, and the one who did it was Paul.

 

[gtopa1]

Az is cool. Protecting your kids is fine. But he and the Jews will always have the support of decent people. True; some Jews are shit like some ANYBODY are shit. Meh. But last I saw the Hamasites are doing VERY badly. They're low life thugs as much as the Maoists and other scum from the 70s. They're mixing Marx, nazi, anything anti-West because they're basically attention seeking tossers.

Greg

 

[fncceo]

Did he?

He didn’t.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

He didn’t.

That’s what l thought.