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Agree. However, it's still my flag, my Bible and my President and there isn't one damn thing you can about it except moan and whine. Carry on.My flag, my Bible, my President. God bless America.
It's not just your flag or bible or president.
That belongs to everyone.
Other people can hold up a bible too. It doesn't make them a christian.
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The DC police clubbed two Australian TV reporters during yesterday's police riot.
What a great international ambassador for American police thuggery Trump is!
Agree. However, it's still my flag, my Bible and my President and there isn't one damn thing you can about it except moan and whine. Carry on.My flag, my Bible, my President. God bless America.
It's not just your flag or bible or president.
That belongs to everyone.
Other people can hold up a bible too. It doesn't make them a christian.
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You are truly deranged.it is clear now, is it? Some 20 priests disagree. But I'm sure you'd say they were throwing bricks.It is clear, the Park Police cleared them out not even knowing President Trump would be coming. The “protesters” were throwing things at the cops, and climbing buildings in the area. They refused to move after being told repeatedly to move back.This was last evening at around 6:30pm. I watched it live. The crowd was peaceful and was never asked to disperse. The police just started with the tear gas.
Imagine having 60 Secret Service agents being injured over the weekend. Imagine having protesters... heh "protesters" tearing down barricades meant to keep them away from the White House complex. Imagine that type of unruliness happening over and over until proper force is applied.
The time for words passed when these "protesters" decided to engage in aggressive tactics.
Force with force. That's it. That's all.
But were they peaceful or were they engaging in aggressive tactics at the time of the action? That is not clear.
Then Park police moved them back.
Before Trump's Photo-Op, Police Forcibly Removed Priest From Church Grounds
Rev. Gini Gerbasi said police forced clergy from St. John's Episcopal Church prior to President Trump's arrival Monday night.www.forbes.com
Unfortunately...with these kinds of actions...all of Trump's desired symbolism has kind of backfired.
What I don't understand is this....usually outings by a president are well planned in advance and the way cleared. Understandably, there likely couldn't be a LOT of advance time for this, due to the fast pace of events, but still - there could have been a 12 hour window, at least, to set things up. Move people, clear the area, and create an understanding with the relevant clergy. I don't understand why that did not happen here.
The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
That is the problem, specifically in this case and generally speaking with that level of hate and hysteria.
Neither of them is Trump's fault.There's a lesson in her mindset if you cared to see it.The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.Yes! That's it. It has nothing at all to do with caring more about your fellow man than a building or a president's vanity.I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.
Correct. If it was something like that, the people physically hurt by the riots, and the violence, would be what she was talking about.
She is a marxist pretending to be a religious leader, to gain power and a platform to spread lies from.
A lunatic who sees everything as political.
She is political. In with the Church of Satan.
The joggers looting TVs just want their new shiny TVs.
She said nothing political. You just see anything vaguely in opposition to your view as entirely antithetical, political and evil.She is political. In with the Church of Satan.
The joggers looting TVs just want their new shiny TVs.
You are truly deranged.it is clear now, is it? Some 20 priests disagree. But I'm sure you'd say they were throwing bricks.It is clear, the Park Police cleared them out not even knowing President Trump would be coming. The “protesters” were throwing things at the cops, and climbing buildings in the area. They refused to move after being told repeatedly to move back.This was last evening at around 6:30pm. I watched it live. The crowd was peaceful and was never asked to disperse. The police just started with the tear gas.
Imagine having 60 Secret Service agents being injured over the weekend. Imagine having protesters... heh "protesters" tearing down barricades meant to keep them away from the White House complex. Imagine that type of unruliness happening over and over until proper force is applied.
The time for words passed when these "protesters" decided to engage in aggressive tactics.
Force with force. That's it. That's all.
But were they peaceful or were they engaging in aggressive tactics at the time of the action? That is not clear.
Then Park police moved them back.
Before Trump's Photo-Op, Police Forcibly Removed Priest From Church Grounds
Rev. Gini Gerbasi said police forced clergy from St. John's Episcopal Church prior to President Trump's arrival Monday night.www.forbes.com
Unfortunately...with these kinds of actions...all of Trump's desired symbolism has kind of backfired.
What I don't understand is this....usually outings by a president are well planned in advance and the way cleared. Understandably, there likely couldn't be a LOT of advance time for this, due to the fast pace of events, but still - there could have been a 12 hour window, at least, to set things up. Move people, clear the area, and create an understanding with the relevant clergy. I don't understand why that did not happen here.
The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
That is the problem, specifically in this case and generally speaking with that level of hate and hysteria.
Neither of them is Trump's fault.There's a lesson in her mindset if you cared to see it.The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.Yes! That's it. It has nothing at all to do with caring more about your fellow man than a building or a president's vanity.I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.
Correct. If it was something like that, the people physically hurt by the riots, and the violence, would be what she was talking about.
She is a marxist pretending to be a religious leader, to gain power and a platform to spread lies from.
A lunatic who sees everything as political.
She is political. In with the Church of Satan.
The joggers looting TVs just want their new shiny TVs.She said nothing political. You just see anything vaguely in opposition to your view as entirely antithetical, political and evil.She is political. In with the Church of Satan.
The joggers looting TVs just want their new shiny TVs.
That is damaged thinking. Delusion.
You are truly deranged.it is clear now, is it? Some 20 priests disagree. But I'm sure you'd say they were throwing bricks.It is clear, the Park Police cleared them out not even knowing President Trump would be coming. The “protesters” were throwing things at the cops, and climbing buildings in the area. They refused to move after being told repeatedly to move back.This was last evening at around 6:30pm. I watched it live. The crowd was peaceful and was never asked to disperse. The police just started with the tear gas.
Imagine having 60 Secret Service agents being injured over the weekend. Imagine having protesters... heh "protesters" tearing down barricades meant to keep them away from the White House complex. Imagine that type of unruliness happening over and over until proper force is applied.
The time for words passed when these "protesters" decided to engage in aggressive tactics.
Force with force. That's it. That's all.
But were they peaceful or were they engaging in aggressive tactics at the time of the action? That is not clear.
Then Park police moved them back.
Before Trump's Photo-Op, Police Forcibly Removed Priest From Church Grounds
Rev. Gini Gerbasi said police forced clergy from St. John's Episcopal Church prior to President Trump's arrival Monday night.www.forbes.com
Unfortunately...with these kinds of actions...all of Trump's desired symbolism has kind of backfired.
What I don't understand is this....usually outings by a president are well planned in advance and the way cleared. Understandably, there likely couldn't be a LOT of advance time for this, due to the fast pace of events, but still - there could have been a 12 hour window, at least, to set things up. Move people, clear the area, and create an understanding with the relevant clergy. I don't understand why that did not happen here.
The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
That is the problem, specifically in this case and generally speaking with that level of hate and hysteria.
Neither of them is Trump's fault.There's a lesson in her mindset if you cared to see it.The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.Yes! That's it. It has nothing at all to do with caring more about your fellow man than a building or a president's vanity.I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.
Correct. If it was something like that, the people physically hurt by the riots, and the violence, would be what she was talking about.
She is a marxist pretending to be a religious leader, to gain power and a platform to spread lies from.
A lunatic who sees everything as political.
The Arch Bishop is the one making this political, not me, hell, not even Trump (in this specific case).
No, you're deranged alright. Criticism is not politics. I know in your little world, anything critical of dear leader is criminal and worthy of death. In the real world though, that's insanity.The Arch Bishop is the one making this political, not me, hell, not even Trump (in this specific case).
Well, for all you people who are saying Episcopalians aren't "real Christians" because they allow women to serve as priests and bishops, what about the Catholics? Are they "real Christians" or not?
The reason I ask, is because today when Trump went to a Catholic shrine for another photo op, the archbishop said that the Catholics didn't want him there either, because he's using their religious sites as a political tool.
And, I agree. Religion should never be politicized like Trump is trying to do.
In his statement, Gregory noted the legacy of Pope John Paul II, suggesting he would not have condoned Trump’s actions, including his walk to St. John’s on Monday as hundreds of demonstrators nearby were protesting the death of George Floyd last week in the custody of the Minneapolis police. Once he got to the church, the president held a Bible aloft and news crews recorded the moment.
“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth," Gregory said. "He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace.”
1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",
There were no "violent murderous mobs" present on Monday evening, ya lunatic.1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",
OH really?Well, for all you people who are saying Episcopalians aren't "real Christians" because they allow women to serve as priests and bishops, what about the Catholics? Are they "real Christians" or not?
The reason I ask, is because today when Trump went to a Catholic shrine for another photo op, the archbishop said that the Catholics didn't want him there either, because he's using their religious sites as a political tool.
And, I agree. Religion should never be politicized like Trump is trying to do.
In his statement, Gregory noted the legacy of Pope John Paul II, suggesting he would not have condoned Trump’s actions, including his walk to St. John’s on Monday as hundreds of demonstrators nearby were protesting the death of George Floyd last week in the custody of the Minneapolis police. Once he got to the church, the president held a Bible aloft and news crews recorded the moment.
“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth," Gregory said. "He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace.”
1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",
Nobody is against law and order, they just don't want their churches being used as political props.
Criticism is not only political but its racist too......at least that's what you race-baiting assholes have been saying about every Obama critic.You are truly deranged.it is clear now, is it? Some 20 priests disagree. But I'm sure you'd say they were throwing bricks.It is clear, the Park Police cleared them out not even knowing President Trump would be coming. The “protesters” were throwing things at the cops, and climbing buildings in the area. They refused to move after being told repeatedly to move back.This was last evening at around 6:30pm. I watched it live. The crowd was peaceful and was never asked to disperse. The police just started with the tear gas.
Imagine having 60 Secret Service agents being injured over the weekend. Imagine having protesters... heh "protesters" tearing down barricades meant to keep them away from the White House complex. Imagine that type of unruliness happening over and over until proper force is applied.
The time for words passed when these "protesters" decided to engage in aggressive tactics.
Force with force. That's it. That's all.
But were they peaceful or were they engaging in aggressive tactics at the time of the action? That is not clear.
Then Park police moved them back.
Before Trump's Photo-Op, Police Forcibly Removed Priest From Church Grounds
Rev. Gini Gerbasi said police forced clergy from St. John's Episcopal Church prior to President Trump's arrival Monday night.www.forbes.com
Unfortunately...with these kinds of actions...all of Trump's desired symbolism has kind of backfired.
What I don't understand is this....usually outings by a president are well planned in advance and the way cleared. Understandably, there likely couldn't be a LOT of advance time for this, due to the fast pace of events, but still - there could have been a 12 hour window, at least, to set things up. Move people, clear the area, and create an understanding with the relevant clergy. I don't understand why that did not happen here.
The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
That is the problem, specifically in this case and generally speaking with that level of hate and hysteria.
Neither of them is Trump's fault.There's a lesson in her mindset if you cared to see it.The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.Yes! That's it. It has nothing at all to do with caring more about your fellow man than a building or a president's vanity.I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.
Correct. If it was something like that, the people physically hurt by the riots, and the violence, would be what she was talking about.
She is a marxist pretending to be a religious leader, to gain power and a platform to spread lies from.
A lunatic who sees everything as political.
The Arch Bishop is the one making this political, not me, hell, not even Trump (in this specific case).No, you're deranged alright. Criticism is not politics. I know in your little world, anything critical of dear leader is criminal and worthy of death. In the real world though, that's insanity.The Arch Bishop is the one making this political, not me, hell, not even Trump (in this specific case).
You are truly deranged.it is clear now, is it? Some 20 priests disagree. But I'm sure you'd say they were throwing bricks.It is clear, the Park Police cleared them out not even knowing President Trump would be coming. The “protesters” were throwing things at the cops, and climbing buildings in the area. They refused to move after being told repeatedly to move back.This was last evening at around 6:30pm. I watched it live. The crowd was peaceful and was never asked to disperse. The police just started with the tear gas.
Imagine having 60 Secret Service agents being injured over the weekend. Imagine having protesters... heh "protesters" tearing down barricades meant to keep them away from the White House complex. Imagine that type of unruliness happening over and over until proper force is applied.
The time for words passed when these "protesters" decided to engage in aggressive tactics.
Force with force. That's it. That's all.
But were they peaceful or were they engaging in aggressive tactics at the time of the action? That is not clear.
Then Park police moved them back.
Before Trump's Photo-Op, Police Forcibly Removed Priest From Church Grounds
Rev. Gini Gerbasi said police forced clergy from St. John's Episcopal Church prior to President Trump's arrival Monday night.www.forbes.com
Unfortunately...with these kinds of actions...all of Trump's desired symbolism has kind of backfired.
What I don't understand is this....usually outings by a president are well planned in advance and the way cleared. Understandably, there likely couldn't be a LOT of advance time for this, due to the fast pace of events, but still - there could have been a 12 hour window, at least, to set things up. Move people, clear the area, and create an understanding with the relevant clergy. I don't understand why that did not happen here.
The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
That is the problem, specifically in this case and generally speaking with that level of hate and hysteria.
Neither of them is Trump's fault.There's a lesson in her mindset if you cared to see it.The Arch Bishop has more of a problem with the President calling for Law and Order, than she does with the rioters that tried to burn down her church.
I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.Yes! That's it. It has nothing at all to do with caring more about your fellow man than a building or a president's vanity.I think I see the lesson fine. Her culture is insane and suicidal. It is part and parcel of the decline of our civilization.
Correct. If it was something like that, the people physically hurt by the riots, and the violence, would be what she was talking about.
She is a marxist pretending to be a religious leader, to gain power and a platform to spread lies from.
A lunatic who sees everything as political.
The Arch Bishop is the one making this political, not me, hell, not even Trump (in this specific case).No, you're deranged alright. Criticism is not politics. I know in your little world, anything critical of dear leader is criminal and worthy of death. In the real world though, that's insanity.The Arch Bishop is the one making this political, not me, hell, not even Trump (in this specific case).
Well, for all you people who are saying Episcopalians aren't "real Christians" because they allow women to serve as priests and bishops, what about the Catholics? Are they "real Christians" or not?
The reason I ask, is because today when Trump went to a Catholic shrine for another photo op, the archbishop said that the Catholics didn't want him there either, because he's using their religious sites as a political tool.
And, I agree. Religion should never be politicized like Trump is trying to do.
In his statement, Gregory noted the legacy of Pope John Paul II, suggesting he would not have condoned Trump’s actions, including his walk to St. John’s on Monday as hundreds of demonstrators nearby were protesting the death of George Floyd last week in the custody of the Minneapolis police. Once he got to the church, the president held a Bible aloft and news crews recorded the moment.
“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth," Gregory said. "He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace.”
1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",There were no "violent murderous mobs" present on Monday evening, ya lunatic.1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",
Well, for all you people who are saying Episcopalians aren't "real Christians" because they allow women to serve as priests and bishops, what about the Catholics? Are they "real Christians" or not?
The reason I ask, is because today when Trump went to a Catholic shrine for another photo op, the archbishop said that the Catholics didn't want him there either, because he's using their religious sites as a political tool.
And, I agree. Religion should never be politicized like Trump is trying to do.
In his statement, Gregory noted the legacy of Pope John Paul II, suggesting he would not have condoned Trump’s actions, including his walk to St. John’s on Monday as hundreds of demonstrators nearby were protesting the death of George Floyd last week in the custody of the Minneapolis police. Once he got to the church, the president held a Bible aloft and news crews recorded the moment.
“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth," Gregory said. "He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace.”
1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",There were no "violent murderous mobs" present on Monday evening, ya lunatic.1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",
Irrelevant to the discussion. THe President made comment on Law and Order and the Bishop rushed to counter attack, thus siding with the violent murderous mobs.
Irrelevant to the discussion. THe President made comment on Law and Order and the Bishop rushed to counter attack, thus siding with the violent murderous mobs.
Sorry but being a democrat suck up would not save your church
I've been in lots of houses of worship in lots of religions and never had to ask permission. Democrats are evil.
Show us my post where I said that the Bible, the flag and the President belong exclusively to me. Idiot.Agree. However, it's still my flag, my Bible and my President and there isn't one damn thing you can about it except moan and whine. Carry on.My flag, my Bible, my President. God bless America.
It's not just your flag or bible or president.
That belongs to everyone.
Other people can hold up a bible too. It doesn't make them a christian.
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I'm not moaning or whining about anything.
I simply pointed out facts.
That bible, flag and president doesn't belong only to you and apparently you agree.
If you want to make such arrogant and selfish statements expect someone else to point out how wrong you are. That's not whining. It's standing up for truth.
Well, for all you people who are saying Episcopalians aren't "real Christians" because they allow women to serve as priests and bishops, what about the Catholics? Are they "real Christians" or not?
The reason I ask, is because today when Trump went to a Catholic shrine for another photo op, the archbishop said that the Catholics didn't want him there either, because he's using their religious sites as a political tool.
And, I agree. Religion should never be politicized like Trump is trying to do.
In his statement, Gregory noted the legacy of Pope John Paul II, suggesting he would not have condoned Trump’s actions, including his walk to St. John’s on Monday as hundreds of demonstrators nearby were protesting the death of George Floyd last week in the custody of the Minneapolis police. Once he got to the church, the president held a Bible aloft and news crews recorded the moment.
“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth," Gregory said. "He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace.”
1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",There were no "violent murderous mobs" present on Monday evening, ya lunatic.1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",
Irrelevant to the discussion. THe President made comment on Law and Order and the Bishop rushed to counter attack, thus siding with the violent murderous mobs.Irrelevant to the discussion. THe President made comment on Law and Order and the Bishop rushed to counter attack, thus siding with the violent murderous mobs.
No, the bishop criticized the use of the church in that way, liar.
Former Commanders Fault Trump’s Use of Troops Against Protesters
Retired senior military leaders condemned their successors in the Trump administration for ordering active-duty units on Monday to rout those peacefully protesting police violence near the White House.
[snip]
Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote on Twitter that “America is not a battleground. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy.”
And Gen. Tony Thomas, the former head of the Special Operations Command, tweeted: “The ‘battle space’ of America??? Not what America needs to hear … ever, unless we are invaded by an adversary or experience a constitutional failure … ie a Civil War.”
People getting hurt, property being damage moves this from a peaceful protest to a riot. I support people and their right to protest. When you start destroying property and violence, it now is unlawful and I have no use for the BS.
The people who were attacked by the police were not rioting.
How many times do people have to tell you right wingers this?
It was 100% peaceful.
Lying about the situation doesn't help your side.
Yes there was rioting going on in other cities but not in DC that evening. What trump did was wrong and illegal.
I'm sad to see you believe the lies but am not surprised.
If the President comments on law and order democrats are automatically against law and order.Well, for all you people who are saying Episcopalians aren't "real Christians" because they allow women to serve as priests and bishops, what about the Catholics? Are they "real Christians" or not?
The reason I ask, is because today when Trump went to a Catholic shrine for another photo op, the archbishop said that the Catholics didn't want him there either, because he's using their religious sites as a political tool.
And, I agree. Religion should never be politicized like Trump is trying to do.
In his statement, Gregory noted the legacy of Pope John Paul II, suggesting he would not have condoned Trump’s actions, including his walk to St. John’s on Monday as hundreds of demonstrators nearby were protesting the death of George Floyd last week in the custody of the Minneapolis police. Once he got to the church, the president held a Bible aloft and news crews recorded the moment.
“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth," Gregory said. "He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace.”
1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",There were no "violent murderous mobs" present on Monday evening, ya lunatic.1. religion has always been involved in politics. Your pretense otherwise is silly.
2. Any church that is against Law and Order and siding with violent murderous mobs, is not "real Christians",
Irrelevant to the discussion. THe President made comment on Law and Order and the Bishop rushed to counter attack, thus siding with the violent murderous mobs.