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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
There isn’t a problem with illegals voting, since the entire system is a fraud. Let them all vote. Makes no difference. The Empire is dying no matter who gets elected.
 

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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
There isn’t a problem with illegals voting, since the entire system is a fraud. Let them all vote. Makes no difference. The Empire is dying no matter who gets elected.
That's a bigger picture argument. Lol
 

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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
There isn’t a problem with illegals voting, since the entire system is a fraud. Let them all vote. Makes no difference. The Empire is dying no matter who gets elected.
That's a bigger picture argument. Lol
So, no need to argue about meaningless shit.
 

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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
There isn’t a problem with illegals voting, since the entire system is a fraud. Let them all vote. Makes no difference. The Empire is dying no matter who gets elected.
That's a bigger picture argument. Lol
So, no need to argue about meaningless shit.
It's something to do while it all falls apart. And yes, it is all falling apart.
 

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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
There isn’t a problem with illegals voting, since the entire system is a fraud. Let them all vote. Makes no difference. The Empire is dying no matter who gets elected.
That's a bigger picture argument. Lol
So, no need to argue about meaningless shit.
It's something to do while it all falls apart. And yes, it is all falling apart.
Yes, I suppose it’s a way of ignoring the far greater problem.
 
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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
That I do not know. I suspect it is some perceived advantage the political right thinks it receives because they don’t count those who may not be willing to register as a demographic. The political left historically enjoys support from these groups—immigrants in particular.

The reason I’m for it is due to the simple wish to make the voting process as modern, accurate, and sterile as possible.
 
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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?

Strange that this really cut-and-dried benefit to making the electoral process as sterile as possible is flummoxing so many people.

To date; nobody can give a good answer as to why they do not want such safeguards in place except for the supposed undue burden that having a picture taken would impose. BULLDOG did mention that due to C-19 the DMVs are closed and that is a good reason to not require picture ID's this go-round but under normal conditions, the argument from fellow liberals seems to be; "because".






No, it's worse than that. Their argument boils down to "because blacks are too ignorant, and or stupid, to get an ID".

The modern Democrat party is by far the most arrogant, patronizing, racist bunch of people I have ever seen.
If that is the case, you haven’t been reading the posts of your fellow Trump supporters.
 

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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
That I do not know. I suspect it is some perceived advantage the political right thinks it receives because they don’t count those who may not be willing to register as a demographic. The political left historically enjoys support from these groups—immigrants in particular.

The reason I’m for it is due to the simple wish to make the voting process as modern, accurate, and sterile as possible.
"Some perceived advantage......."

That was my argument. Create the I.D.'s which they can do but won't and that perceived advantage goes away.
 
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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
That I do not know. I suspect it is some perceived advantage the political right thinks it receives because they don’t count those who may not be willing to register as a demographic. The political left historically enjoys support from these groups—immigrants in particular.

The reason I’m for it is due to the simple wish to make the voting process as modern, accurate, and sterile as possible.
"Some perceived advantage......."

That was my argument. Create the I.D.'s which they can do but won't and that perceived advantage goes away.
If you say so. I think you're missing the point though of "perceived advantage"--it being that persons who don't trust the police will not risk going to government building to vote much less sign up to vote.
 

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What's the problem? This is nothing more than a way to divide people. If states wanted to enact this they could have long ago. Everyone that votes has to register to vote. You give them a photo I.D. when they register. When you go to renew your D.L. you give people a voters I.D. Before long the vast majority of people would have one.

Why is it not done? Then it wouldn't be a wedge issue. Nothing is actually ever done about many wedge issues. Abortion, guns, immigration and this.

The question is asked "why don't we". The only reason we don't is because we don't.
The logic is faulty. Its not a wedge issue or at least it shouldn't be.
So which is it?
Which is what?

You said it was a "wedge" issue. It isn't. Nothing is preventing people from getting a picture ID that allows them to vote. The barriers are in one's mind; not anywhere else.
Nothing OUTSIDE of the fact no one is doing it. There is no law that would stop it. People register to vote all the time. Thousands turn 18 every year. Why aren't they presented with photo voters registration cards?

Because then it is no longer a wedge issue. There is absolutely nothing stopping the states from doing this now.
Agreed. Not sure what youre point is when you said "this is nothing more than a way to divide people".
Why isn't it being done?
I do not know.
So I may be right?
:banghead:
About what?
I hate when people do this. You know exactly what we have been discussing.
Sincerely, I have no idea what you're talking about insofar as municipalities and states not issuing picture voter IDs being a wedge issue. I don't see the connection. If I had to guess about why states don't do it right now it is because most voters have a picture ID already without the added costs of issuing voter registration cards with picture IDs.
So there really isn't a problem. Why do so many make it out to be this big problem?
That I do not know. I suspect it is some perceived advantage the political right thinks it receives because they don’t count those who may not be willing to register as a demographic. The political left historically enjoys support from these groups—immigrants in particular.

The reason I’m for it is due to the simple wish to make the voting process as modern, accurate, and sterile as possible.
"Some perceived advantage......."

That was my argument. Create the I.D.'s which they can do but won't and that perceived advantage goes away.
If you say so. I think you're missing the point though of "perceived advantage"--it being that persons who don't trust the police will not risk going to government building to vote much less sign up to vote.
That's the case no matter what.
 
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Our system in place has always worked. There has never been a problem with voter fraud. Ever. There is no evidence to back up the charge that there has been. Nothing, either with people who show up in person at the polls or the ones who vote by mail. This charge itself is a fraud. BTW: what's with shutting down polling places and forcing people, even the elderly and disabled, to queue up in long lines to vote? Every loyal, patriotic American should help others to get out the vote. Voting is the foundation of the USA.
All the more reason that we should have a voting week ending on the traditional election day. Bad weather, long lines, voter mobility, car trouble, etc... all become less of a obstacle to casting your ballot.
 

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Really, what is the problem? You go down to the DMV or County Clerk’s Office or whatever set up your local town or hamlet has and get a photographic ID made so the poll workers can verify your sacred vote is cast by no one other than yourself. As long as there is no charge for the ID, there cannot be a serious allegation made that this is an undue burden to the person who wishes to vote. Nor, as long as it is made available to any and all who wish to seek to register for the picture ID, can one seriously contend that this is some form of voter suppression. I may listen to an argument about forcing someone to do it every year but once every 2-4 years doesn't seem like too much of an imposition to me.



Now, for the record, I’m fully in favor of having federal laws that require states to provide absentee voting prior to the official election day –the Tuesday after the first Monday in November—for at least a week. Voting by mail has been done for nearly 100 years without any issues. Those who think this is a portal to fraud are just not thinking it through. Even more heinous is the position that you have to have a “good reason” to vote absentee; as if it is some sort of business of the State why you feel more comfortable about voting from your living room as opposed to going to the local school house. I am also for standardization of the voting devices as well as the picture ID I sponsored in the first paragraph. Meaning that someone from Peoria who happens to be in Pittsburgh and wishes to vote simply goes to the polling place, swipes their standard uniform voter ID card into the uniform and standardized voting device and their local ballot from Peoria comes up on the screen. They make their selections and go about their merry way just as they would do in person at their high school or fire department.



The resistance to having an ID to vote comes mainly from the left of which I’m a member in good standing in most of the online tests I have taken. I’m for a woman’s right to privacy, oppose Trump, am in favor or equal pay for equal work, am for raising the minimum wage incrementally to $10.00 an hour, am against separating families at the border except as a last resort, support the ACA, etc… However, on this topic, I have to call BS on those who think obtaining a picture ID card to vote is an undue burden or, more troubling, is unnecessary. I covered the “undue burden” argument already. As for the argument that it is not necessary, one should consider that every two years, there are a lot of local initiatives on the same ballot as the federal offices. These “down ballot” races do not get a lot of attention nationally and in some cases even locally. Raising the local tax rate or allowing the City or State to have more power can affect your family for decades. Wouldn’t you want the vote for such laws and ordinances to be of persons from your locality or State? And this is just the bi-annual elections. What about off year and primary races where the turnout is in the hundreds and a few votes cast inaccurately (either by accident or on purpose) can sway who the nominee becomes? Thinking it is unnecessary and reality are two different things.


Whatsmore is this; if we have the tools for accuracy….why not just make it as accurate as possible? It seems like a no-brainer to me.
In general I agree with you.
But I am thinking this is a solution looking for a problem.
I have been voting for over 30 years without needing to show my ID- what has changed- what is different now than when I started voting over 30 years ago? There isn't any evidence of more voter fraud than there was 30 years ago. There are American citizens who have been voting over 50 years without needing to show a picture ID- why is it necessary now?

However if it was decided that picture ID is necessary- then it should be a) free of charge(and that includes free from any charge from states/counties/cities to produce copies of birth certificates or other substantiating documentation) and b) readily available- the state should have offices in every precinct that people can vote in to apply for and get their ID's- and these offices should be open 7 days a week.

I don't see any reason to deny the vote of a single American citizen because they can't afford something, or can't afford to take a day off, or have no means to reach voter ID sites.
 

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