Humans in North America more than 36,000 year ago

[westwall]

Not really. There is no question that humans left Africa over 2 million years ago. So what, you are trying to claim they left even before that? Based on what evidence?

Yeah, really. The question is how fast did the humans move across the landscape. You are arguing about the tree, but ignoring the forest.

 

[Hafar1014]

Yeah, really. The question is how fast did the humans move across the landscape. You are arguing about the tree, but ignoring the forest.

They came across the Bearing Straights. Although DNA shows humans started from Africa

 

[westwall]

Sure there is, archaeological evidence and not playing "make believe".

DNA evidence has been showing most of the archeological theories to be less than stellar. Ninety nine percent of archeology is make believe. It is take an object, and make up a story about it. Then try and support it against the onslaught of derogatory evidence.

 

[Unkotare]

Yeah, really. The question is how fast did the humans move across the landscape. You are arguing about the tree, but ignoring the forest.

Trees don't generally move around much, although there is this one tree in Brazil...

 

[westwall]

All species are constantly evolving. Even we are still constantly evolving today.

However, the last 3 million years has been a rough time for all life on our planet. This is because the constant glaciation cycle our planet has been in has been making it hard for species to survive through the multiple and repeated bouncing back and forth between ice age climates to tropical climates, then right back to Ice Age again.

We know that out last living "cousin" was Neanderthal, and it is less a case that they "became extinct" and more a case of "they became us". As thanks to advances in recovering ancient DNA we know that there was a fair amount of cross-breeding between Sapiens and Neanderthal.

But Neanderthal had evolved a hell of a lot of traits that suited them to an existence along the edges of the ice sheets. And while they had some of the most advanced weapons of the era, they were all hand held weapons. They had spears, but the thrusting kind and not the throwing kind. Meanwhile, Sapiens evolved in an even hotter and drier climate and developed throwing weapons. Thrown spears are known to have existed among them 400 kya, and there is some conjecture based on some spears found they had also developed the atlatl.

But it is interesting that Hominids did not develop until the ice age cycles began, and there have evolved over a dozen different species in the past 3 million years. And as a clarification, that is 8 Hominids and 7 closely related Australopithecus (there is still debate as to if they are actually hominids or their own distinct species).

Punctuated Equilibrium has taken over from that old theory. Based on genetic evidence that modern humans have between .05% and 4% neanderthal DNA it is far more accurate to stipulate they were killed off. Either through warfare, or starvation, or some natural catastrophe.

The last three million years have been very good for evolution. You don't evolve unless there is a reason to do so. That's why the temperate zones of the Earth are the evolutionary engines of the planet. The tropics are easy to live in, the Arctic regions are exceedingly difficult, but the creatures that evolved to live there no longer need to evolve, so they are stagnating.

 

[Eman623]

I remain skeptical. There's no human bones or artifacts from 36KYA at the New Mexico site. Just a couple of mastodons that may or may not have been butchered by humans, who may or may not have used fire.

Find me a human skeleton carbon dated to 36 KYA and you will have my attention. Find me a tool. Find me anything.

 

[Unkotare]

I remain skeptical. There's no human bones or artifacts from 36KYA at the New Mexico site. Just a couple of mastodons that may or may not have been butchered by humans, who may or may not have used fire.

Find me a human skeleton carbon dated to 36 KYA and you will have my attention. Find me a tool. Find me anything.

 

[Failzero]

They came across the Bearing Straights. Although DNA shows humans started from Africa

The findings in South America and the Pacific/ Easter Island are not in line with the Straight Migration theory

 

[westwall]

They were finally able to sequence the DNA from the only known Clovis burial.

 

[Hafar1014]

The findings in South America and the Pacific/ Easter Island are not in line with the Straight Migration theory

Thats the only way they could have traveled to south America.

 

[Failzero]

Thats the only way they could have traveled to south America.

The DNA and Remains from the Easter Island finds and the Patagonia region and the Red Paint People of the North Eastern American Seaboard are gettin traction to dispute the Straight theory

 

[Hafar1014]

The DNA and Remains from the Easter Island finds and the Patagonia region and the Red Paint People of the North Eastern American Seaboard are getting traction to dispute the Straight theory

So they would have had to have a boat building capability. But how could they navigate.
People in America came from the Bering Land Bridge thats most likely path.

 

[Failzero]

So they would have had to have a boat building capability. But how could they navigate.
People in America came from the Bering Land Bridge thats most likely path.

How did they get from Polynesia to Easter Island and finds suggest that there were modern humans in far South America over 20 thousand years ago ( with some evidence suggesting as far back as 30-35 Thousand years )

 

[Mushroom]

The findings in South America and the Pacific/ Easter Island are not in line with the Straight Migration theory

Yeah, just too bad that the oldest evidence of humans on Easter Island only date to around 400 CE.

 

[Mushroom]

How did they get from Polynesia to Easter Island and finds suggest that there were modern humans in far South America over 20 thousand years ago

How does people arriving at an island in 400 CE suggest anything relating to humans in South America in 18,000 BCE?

 

[Hafar1014]

Thats the only way they could have traveled to south America. Clovis migration easily identified by tools

 

[Mushroom]

Thats the only way they could have traveled to south America.

Far more likely is that any seafarers simply traveled along the coast. The same way the Vikings did it in the first millennium AD. Traveling all the way from Scandinavia to Rome by simply following the coast.

Or the same way that Arab traders traveled to China and other parts of East Asia.

 

[Mushroom]

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The contemporary theory is that there were multiple waves of migrations, not just one. Some following coastal routes, others following inland routes.

And some appear to have simply died out.

But the largest the one with the greatest impact is believed to be Clovis, who entered via in inland ice-free passage.

 

[fncceo]

How can that be when earth is only 6,000 years old per the religious nutcases?

OFFS give it a rest.

Not everything has to be a jihad.

 

[westwall]

Far more likely is that any seafarers simply traveled along the coast. The same way the Vikings did it in the first millennium AD. Traveling all the way from Scandinavia to Rome by simply following the coast.

Or the same way that Arab traders traveled to China and other parts of East Asia.

The Vikings were blue water sailors. And damned good at it. They weren't coast huggers.