Humans in North America more than 36,000 year ago

[Failzero]

The Vikings were blue water sailors. And damned good at it. They weren't coast huggers.

So were the Phoenicians

 

[westwall]

So were the Phoenicians

Correct. Anyone who sails knows that hugging the coast is actually dangerous.

 

[Failzero]

Correct. Anyone who sails knows that hugging the coast is actually dangerous.

My guess is the People’s of Mu or Atlantis had empires that stretched several hemispheres

 

[fncceo]

So were the Phoenicians

The Mediterranean isn’t exactly the North Sea.

 

[westwall]

The Mediterranean isn’t exactly the North Sea.

They sailed beyond the Pillars of Hercules. Sailed as far north as the UK for sure.

 

[Mushroom]

The Mediterranean isn’t exactly the North Sea.

None of them actually know what they are talking about. None of what any of those groups did was "blue water", it was always coast hugging. I am finding the entire sidetrack into pseudoscience and outright fantasies very enlightening. And I have gained a lot of insight into how seriously to take anything some of those in here might say in the future.

Blue water sailing is sailing across an open ocean, far from shore. Absolutely nothing that the Vikings, Arabs in that era, or the Phoenicians did in that era is anywhere even close to "blue water sailing".

 

[westwall]

None of them actually know what they are talking about. None of what any of those groups did was "blue water", it was always coast hugging. I am finding the entire sidetrack into pseudoscience and outright fantasies very enlightening. And I have gained a lot of insight into how seriously to take anything some of those in here might say in the future.

Blue water sailing is sailing across an open ocean, far from shore. Absolutely nothing that the Vikings, Arabs in that era, or the Phoenicians did in that era is anywhere even close to "blue water sailing".

Actually it's you who are uninformed. The Vikings sailed across some of the harshest ocean to get to their favorite fishing grounds.

The Phoenicians sailed as far as Ceylon for their trade trips. So, yet again, you refer to long disproven tales of primitive sailors incapable of sailing beyond sight of land.

The wrecks found in the middle of the Med prove that is nonsense.

The Phoenicians obtained their tin from the UK for the bronze they produced.

Like I said, you are reciting long disproved theories.

 

[Failzero]

The Mediterranean isn’t exactly the North Sea.

They Rounded Africa and made it to Sri Lanka ( some say farther )

 

[fncceo]

The Phoenicians sailed as far as Ceylon

Citation required.

 

[Failzero]

Citation required.

End NAGPRA now !

 

[fncceo]

Si

My guess is the People’s of Mu or Atlantis had empires that stretched several hemispheres

Since there are only four hemispheres on this planet, and they overlap… I’m guessing that when you say “several” you’re saying they traveled interplanetary?

 

[Failzero]

Si

Since there are only four hemispheres on this planet, and they overlap… I’m guessing that when you say “several” you’re saying they traveled interplanetary?

No they had backwater Protectorates ranging from The Pacific Northwest to Australia and from Cuba to Patagonia

 

[fncceo]

No they had backwater Protectorates ranging from The Pacific Northwest to Australia and from Cuba to Patagonia

Thank you, Dr Von Daniken.

 

[Failzero]

Thank you, Dr Von Daniken.

End NAGPRA now ! ( for the Science ) and offer 50 million $ for a Femur or Skull of a 9 foot Giant from 8500 BCE that yields a new Species of Hominid DNA

 

[Mushroom]

The wrecks found in the middle of the Med prove that is nonsense.

And what is the Mediterranean?

That's not an ocean, it's called the "Mediterranean Sea" for a reason. It is called that most specifically because it is not an ocean.

As I haver already stated, you are completely wrong and twisting reality in some weird attempt to fit into your fantasy. Sailing across the Med is in no way "Blue Water Sailing", never was, never will be. Blue Water is crossing oceans, like the Pacific or Atlantic.

Why do you think so many of us are largely dismissive of the PLAN? Same reason, they are not a blue water navy, they are an upgunned coast guard.

 

[Mushroom]

They Rounded Africa and made it to Sri Lanka ( some say farther )

Which is still coast hugging.

 

[westwall]

And what is the Mediterranean?

That's not an ocean, it's called the "Mediterranean Sea" for a reason. It is called that most specifically because it is not an ocean.

As I haver already stated, you are completely wrong and twisting reality in some weird attempt to fit into your fantasy. Sailing across the Med is in no way "Blue Water Sailing", never was, never will be. Blue Water is crossing oceans, like the Pacific or Atlantic.

Why do you think so many of us are largely dismissive of the PLAN? Same reason, they are not a blue water navy, they are an upgunned coast guard.

I never claimed the Med was blue water sailing. Beyond Gibralter is. The Phoenicians were the first people we know of who built vessels capable of sailing in the Atlantic Ocean.

That's not a fantasy, that is a fact. I referenced the wrecks in the middle of the Med to show your fantasy that the ancients were not capable of anything more than coast hopping was in error.

 

[Failzero]

I never claimed the Med was blue water sailing. Beyond Gibralter is. The Phoenicians were the first people we know of who built vessels capable of sailing in the Atlantic Ocean.

That's not a fantasy, that is a fact. I referenced the wrecks in the middle of the Med to show your fantasy that the ancients were not capable of anything more than coast hopping was in error.

They made it around Africa and made it to Sri Lanka ( and other Real deal Profs think they went beyond that )

 

[justoffal]

It appears that there were humans in North America more than 36,000 years ago. The evidence is the butchering of two mammoths in New Mexico. That would indicate that the humans were there much before that, as it would take generations to get from either coast to New Mexico. Now the question is were these Neanderthal, Denisovan, or Homo Sapiens, or a hybrid? We have seen the evidence of the earliest human occupation of North America pushed back from 13,000 years ago to the present 36,000+ years.
"Calibrating human population dispersals across Earth’s surface is fundamental to assessing rates and timing of anthropogenic impacts and distinguishing ecological phenomena influenced by humans from those that were not. Here, we describe the Hartley mammoth locality, which dates to 38,900–36,250 cal BP by AMS 14C analysis of hydroxyproline from bone collagen. We accept the standard view that elaborate stone technology of the Eurasian Upper Paleolithic was introduced into the Americas by arrival of the Native American clade ∼16,000 cal BP. It follows that if older cultural sites exist in the Americas, they might only be diagnosed using nuanced taphonomic approaches. We employed computed tomography (CT and μCT) and other state-of-the-art methods that had not previously been applied to investigating ancient American sites. This revealed multiple lines of taphonomic evidence suggesting that two mammoths were butchered using expedient lithic and bone technology, along with evidence diagnostic of controlled (domestic) fire. That this may be an ancient cultural site is corroborated by independent genetic evidence of two founding populations for humans in the Americas, which has already raised the possibility of a dispersal into the Americas by people of East Asian ancestry that preceded the Native American clade by millennia. The Hartley mammoth locality thus provides a new deep point of chronologic reference for occupation of the Americas and the attainment by humans of a near-global distribution."

Frontiers | Human Occupation of the North American Colorado Plateau ∼37,000 Years Ago

Calibrating human population dispersals across Earth’s surface is fundamental to assessing rates and timing of anthropogenic impacts and distinguishing ecolo...

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Introduction​

I could go for a couple of Mammoth steaks myself.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It appears that there were humans in North America more than 36,000 years ago. The evidence is the butchering of two mammoths in New Mexico. That would indicate that the humans were there much before that, as it would take generations to get from either coast to New Mexico. Now the question is were these Neanderthal, Denisovan, or Homo Sapiens, or a hybrid? We have seen the evidence of the earliest human occupation of North America pushed back from 13,000 years ago to the present 36,000+ years.
"Calibrating human population dispersals across Earth’s surface is fundamental to assessing rates and timing of anthropogenic impacts and distinguishing ecological phenomena influenced by humans from those that were not. Here, we describe the Hartley mammoth locality, which dates to 38,900–36,250 cal BP by AMS 14C analysis of hydroxyproline from bone collagen. We accept the standard view that elaborate stone technology of the Eurasian Upper Paleolithic was introduced into the Americas by arrival of the Native American clade ∼16,000 cal BP. It follows that if older cultural sites exist in the Americas, they might only be diagnosed using nuanced taphonomic approaches. We employed computed tomography (CT and μCT) and other state-of-the-art methods that had not previously been applied to investigating ancient American sites. This revealed multiple lines of taphonomic evidence suggesting that two mammoths were butchered using expedient lithic and bone technology, along with evidence diagnostic of controlled (domestic) fire. That this may be an ancient cultural site is corroborated by independent genetic evidence of two founding populations for humans in the Americas, which has already raised the possibility of a dispersal into the Americas by people of East Asian ancestry that preceded the Native American clade by millennia. The Hartley mammoth locality thus provides a new deep point of chronologic reference for occupation of the Americas and the attainment by humans of a near-global distribution."

Frontiers | Human Occupation of the North American Colorado Plateau ∼37,000 Years Ago

Calibrating human population dispersals across Earth’s surface is fundamental to assessing rates and timing of anthropogenic impacts and distinguishing ecolo...

www.frontiersin.org

Introduction​

They were probably more evolved than the current maga trash.