How Trump is making the US the laughing stock of the world

[usmbguest5318]

his shoving Montenegro's PM out of the way

That was just unabashedly rude -- something that people the world over observe in the behavior and words of most of the Americans they meet [1] -- which is, ruefully, about all one can expect from Trump. It was quite telling that "pardon me, please" apparently didn't come to Trump's mind. Could one see any more palpable demonstration of Trump's "it's all about me" attitude?


Note:

1. In not one country to which I've traveled have I not at least once heard someone remark upon or ask me about why Americans are so often boorish.

Lol. Libs are far too sensitive to others opinions. They are overly concerned about how they are viewed, due to their insecurities. We have bailed out the world repeatedly. I don't really give a fuck what some Socialist in the EU thinks about us. They need to grow up and learn how to take care of themselves, because the free ride is over.

Libs are far too sensitive to others opinions.

I doubt that liberals (or libertarians...I'm not sure which you actually mean) are notably more sensitive to others' opinions than members of any other political persuasion. I think some liberals just bother, out of respect if nothing else, to give rigorously thoughtful consideration to the ideas others express.

They are overly concerned about how they are viewed

I don't have any reason to think this is so or not so.

• What defines the limit that demarks being "overly concerned" from being "duly concerned" about how one is viewed by others?
• On what credible basis can you attest to and show causally that the nature of liberals' concern about how they are viewed derives from their own insecurity?
  • How, too, do you credibly ascribe that behavior to liberals overall rather than to a specific liberal?

 

[usmbguest5318]

That was just unabashedly rude -- something that people the world over observe in the behavior and words of most of the Americans they meet [1] -- which is, ruefully, about all one can expect from Trump. It was quite telling that "pardon me, please" apparently didn't come to Trump's mind. Could one see any more palpable demonstration of Trump's "it's all about me" attitude?


Note:

1. In not one country to which I've traveled have I not at least once heard someone remark upon or ask me about why Americans are so often boorish.

and?

by a simple bell curve you're going to hear the most stupid of shit, usually in very small numbers according to the curve itself.

people keep making those few examples the norm and continue to "normalize the extreme" it's gonna blow up. that's physics, not people.

by a simple bell curve you're going to hear the most stupid of shit, usually in very small numbers according to the curve itself.

people keep making those few examples the norm and continue to "normalize the extreme" it's gonna blow up. that's physics, not people.

Excuse me? The "stupid sh*t" that happens infrequently is the stuff about which I don't remember to ask others pf their views on and experiences with the deed/trend. I would think that so for most, if not all, sagacious and reasonable people. Accordingly, it stands to reason that non-U.S. nationals who've asked me about Americans' general comportment. (They may well have observed too that people of other nations are generally crass, but they wouldn't ask me about them as I'm not from those countries and I wouldn't introduce those other nationals into the conversation as they wasn't the topic of discussion.)

Worse, particularly with regard to Donald Trump, there are literally over a hundred examples of his character and cogitative demerits, not the least of which is profligate mendacity, infelicity, and ineptitude, yet his supporters deny they are indicative of anything material and that should give one pause.

Wrong word. The sentence makes no sense.

? yeah, it does. Merriam Websters:

Definition of cogitative

1. 
   1: of or relating to cogitation
   
   
2. 2: capable of or given to cogitation

Fail. The word makes no sense in this context. It deals with meditation.

There again, you mistakenly think it applies exclusively to that context. The fact is that it does not, though one can use it so as to make it apply to that context.

 

[iceberg]

Enough. You clearly don't realise how unsound your argument -- which basically amounts to "anything's possible" -- is.

There're several things you might do to make your arguments sound, yet you do none of them.

what argument? i don't think he was intentionally pushing anyone aside and i refuse to believe it from a few seconds of video?

how is "I FUCKING HATE THIS MAN HATE WITH ME GOD DAMN IT" any more sound? as for "anything is possible" - so is getting pissed cause someone PUSHED someone else out of the way - well i suppose it's possible" - but again, you get to do things you won't allow done back in your direction. this homey don't play in that direction. in fact, i usually kick it up when i see people do it and use their own methods back at them. it's how i get my kicks.

and when you quit trying to pin the hate on trump and will talk w/o predisposition of direction you wish to go, i'll be glad to join in. til then i'll simply stop by from time to time and giggle at your hate-boner.

i don't think he was intentionally pushing anyone aside

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write and, with regard to Trump shoving the Montenegrin president, what you see with own eyes.

I can see from the video that Trump wasn't stumbling; thus he clearly wasn't accidentally pushing the other man aside.

​

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write.

Okay, Polly.

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write

Should I have Nabisco send you some saltines?

what good would it do me to say it any other way? your mind is made up just as much as mine is, i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

you rail on me cause i won't alter how i feel but you are not either - but you won't see or acknowledge that.

funny, to me.

ha ha.

i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

You'll recall that earlier I wrote:

There're several things you might do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound, yet you do none of them.

With your quoted remark just above, we now have clear evidence of at least two things you could do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound. What are those things you might do?

1. Learn that a sound argument/valid conclusion cannot derive from a comparison of things that are not mutually exclusive and then think about what you read and intend to write/say so that you don't make the mistake of presenting a disjointed comparisons.
   • Regardless of how I see Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president -- as as "shining example" or merely as an example, or, as I wrote a palpable example, of his rudeness -- the fact remains that it was deliberately rude, and the deliberacy of his action is plain to see in the video. That Trump may have not been aware of the raffishness of his deed does not make it or Trump be anything other than incult. Rude is rude, as the truth is the truth, no matter one's awareness (or lack thereof) of it. Pi is yet thought to be an irrational number, even if one doesn't know that to be so or doesn't know what an irrational number is.
   • Assuming, as you do, Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president is an example of "Trump being Trump," it was still rude, and I don't think it acceptable for a POTUS to be rude toward anyone.
2. Accurately paraphrase, or directly quote, other people's remarks.
   • I did not so much as intimate that Trump is evil. I described him as crass, profligately mendacious, infelicitous and inept. [1] One need not be any of those things to be evil and none of those things are synonymous with "evil."

Note:

1. Earlier, you remarked:
   

   you can pull from your thesaurus

   I have no idea why my word choices strike you as something upon which to remark. Whatever the reason -- I don't care what it is -- it has to do with you, not me. Outside of USMB, nobody has ever has anything to say -- positive or negative -- about my word choices, perhaps because the relevant people in my life -- family, close friends and associates, clients and colleagues -- use the same bundle words I do.
   
   Were it so that I "pull" words from a thesaurus, if I meant "evil," I'd have chosen to write "evil" or something synonymous with it. You see I nearly always write what I actually mean, and not what I don't mean, and usually not something similar to what I mean, though were I to do the latter, I'd bother to also write something akin to "for lack of a better word," so readers know I didn't carefully choose my words in that that instance. You see, I think it important to accurately and precisely express my thoughts; thus I choose my words accordingly. (Am I 100% perfect in that regard? No, but I'm far closer to 100% than I am to 70%.)
   
   As for the actual words I choose.....Well, I use the ones I learned (not merely memorized) in school, mostly in high school, after which time my vocabulary has remained fairly constant. Thus, unless you are going to tell me that you and most others who here gripe about my word choices didn't graduate from high school, are non-native speakers of English, failed to master English in high school, or experienced some other unusual occurrence, there's no good reason -- though there is likely at least a reason -- for readers here to find much of anything I write beyond their comprehension.
   
   I picked up some discipline-specific, so-called "technical" terms, in college and grad school, and I do on USMB use them; however, I nearly always provide a link for those terms so readers will know what they mean in the context in which I used them. I do that because I know I am applying their discipline-specific meanings, and, unlike words on a standard high school vocabulary list, I have no basis for expecting readers to understand those words in their disciplinary context.

you talk an awful lot for someone who says nothing.

 

[usmbguest5318]

what argument? i don't think he was intentionally pushing anyone aside and i refuse to believe it from a few seconds of video?

how is "I FUCKING HATE THIS MAN HATE WITH ME GOD DAMN IT" any more sound? as for "anything is possible" - so is getting pissed cause someone PUSHED someone else out of the way - well i suppose it's possible" - but again, you get to do things you won't allow done back in your direction. this homey don't play in that direction. in fact, i usually kick it up when i see people do it and use their own methods back at them. it's how i get my kicks.

and when you quit trying to pin the hate on trump and will talk w/o predisposition of direction you wish to go, i'll be glad to join in. til then i'll simply stop by from time to time and giggle at your hate-boner.

i don't think he was intentionally pushing anyone aside

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write and, with regard to Trump shoving the Montenegrin president, what you see with own eyes.

I can see from the video that Trump wasn't stumbling; thus he clearly wasn't accidentally pushing the other man aside.

​

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write.

Okay, Polly.

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write

Should I have Nabisco send you some saltines?

what good would it do me to say it any other way? your mind is made up just as much as mine is, i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

you rail on me cause i won't alter how i feel but you are not either - but you won't see or acknowledge that.

funny, to me.

ha ha.

i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

You'll recall that earlier I wrote:

There're several things you might do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound, yet you do none of them.

With your quoted remark just above, we now have clear evidence of at least two things you could do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound. What are those things you might do?

1. Learn that a sound argument/valid conclusion cannot derive from a comparison of things that are not mutually exclusive and then think about what you read and intend to write/say so that you don't make the mistake of presenting a disjointed comparisons.
   • Regardless of how I see Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president -- as as "shining example" or merely as an example, or, as I wrote a palpable example, of his rudeness -- the fact remains that it was deliberately rude, and the deliberacy of his action is plain to see in the video. That Trump may have not been aware of the raffishness of his deed does not make it or Trump be anything other than incult. Rude is rude, as the truth is the truth, no matter one's awareness (or lack thereof) of it. Pi is yet thought to be an irrational number, even if one doesn't know that to be so or doesn't know what an irrational number is.
   • Assuming, as you do, Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president is an example of "Trump being Trump," it was still rude, and I don't think it acceptable for a POTUS to be rude toward anyone.
2. Accurately paraphrase, or directly quote, other people's remarks.
   • I did not so much as intimate that Trump is evil. I described him as crass, profligately mendacious, infelicitous and inept. [1] One need not be any of those things to be evil and none of those things are synonymous with "evil."

Note:

1. Earlier, you remarked:
   

   you can pull from your thesaurus

   I have no idea why my word choices strike you as something upon which to remark. Whatever the reason -- I don't care what it is -- it has to do with you, not me. Outside of USMB, nobody has ever has anything to say -- positive or negative -- about my word choices, perhaps because the relevant people in my life -- family, close friends and associates, clients and colleagues -- use the same bundle words I do.
   
   Were it so that I "pull" words from a thesaurus, if I meant "evil," I'd have chosen to write "evil" or something synonymous with it. You see I nearly always write what I actually mean, and not what I don't mean, and usually not something similar to what I mean, though were I to do the latter, I'd bother to also write something akin to "for lack of a better word," so readers know I didn't carefully choose my words in that that instance. You see, I think it important to accurately and precisely express my thoughts; thus I choose my words accordingly. (Am I 100% perfect in that regard? No, but I'm far closer to 100% than I am to 70%.)
   
   As for the actual words I choose.....Well, I use the ones I learned (not merely memorized) in school, mostly in high school, after which time my vocabulary has remained fairly constant. Thus, unless you are going to tell me that you and most others who here gripe about my word choices didn't graduate from high school, are non-native speakers of English, failed to master English in high school, or experienced some other unusual occurrence, there's no good reason -- though there is likely at least a reason -- for readers here to find much of anything I write beyond their comprehension.
   
   I picked up some discipline-specific, so-called "technical" terms, in college and grad school, and I do on USMB use them; however, I nearly always provide a link for those terms so readers will know what they mean in the context in which I used them. I do that because I know I am applying their discipline-specific meanings, and, unlike words on a standard high school vocabulary list, I have no basis for expecting readers to understand those words in their disciplinary context.

you talk an awful lot for someone who says nothing.

There you go again, trying to make "it" about me when "it" really isn't.

 

[iceberg]

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write and, with regard to Trump shoving the Montenegrin president, what you see with own eyes.

I can see from the video that Trump wasn't stumbling; thus he clearly wasn't accidentally pushing the other man aside.

​

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write.

Okay, Polly.

I can't do anything about what you think. You're going to think it regardless of what I write

Should I have Nabisco send you some saltines?

what good would it do me to say it any other way? your mind is made up just as much as mine is, i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

you rail on me cause i won't alter how i feel but you are not either - but you won't see or acknowledge that.

funny, to me.

ha ha.

i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

You'll recall that earlier I wrote:

There're several things you might do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound, yet you do none of them.

With your quoted remark just above, we now have clear evidence of at least two things you could do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound. What are those things you might do?

1. Learn that a sound argument/valid conclusion cannot derive from a comparison of things that are not mutually exclusive and then think about what you read and intend to write/say so that you don't make the mistake of presenting a disjointed comparisons.
   • Regardless of how I see Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president -- as as "shining example" or merely as an example, or, as I wrote a palpable example, of his rudeness -- the fact remains that it was deliberately rude, and the deliberacy of his action is plain to see in the video. That Trump may have not been aware of the raffishness of his deed does not make it or Trump be anything other than incult. Rude is rude, as the truth is the truth, no matter one's awareness (or lack thereof) of it. Pi is yet thought to be an irrational number, even if one doesn't know that to be so or doesn't know what an irrational number is.
   • Assuming, as you do, Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president is an example of "Trump being Trump," it was still rude, and I don't think it acceptable for a POTUS to be rude toward anyone.
2. Accurately paraphrase, or directly quote, other people's remarks.
   • I did not so much as intimate that Trump is evil. I described him as crass, profligately mendacious, infelicitous and inept. [1] One need not be any of those things to be evil and none of those things are synonymous with "evil."

Note:

1. Earlier, you remarked:
   

   you can pull from your thesaurus

   I have no idea why my word choices strike you as something upon which to remark. Whatever the reason -- I don't care what it is -- it has to do with you, not me. Outside of USMB, nobody has ever has anything to say -- positive or negative -- about my word choices, perhaps because the relevant people in my life -- family, close friends and associates, clients and colleagues -- use the same bundle words I do.
   
   Were it so that I "pull" words from a thesaurus, if I meant "evil," I'd have chosen to write "evil" or something synonymous with it. You see I nearly always write what I actually mean, and not what I don't mean, and usually not something similar to what I mean, though were I to do the latter, I'd bother to also write something akin to "for lack of a better word," so readers know I didn't carefully choose my words in that that instance. You see, I think it important to accurately and precisely express my thoughts; thus I choose my words accordingly. (Am I 100% perfect in that regard? No, but I'm far closer to 100% than I am to 70%.)
   
   As for the actual words I choose.....Well, I use the ones I learned (not merely memorized) in school, mostly in high school, after which time my vocabulary has remained fairly constant. Thus, unless you are going to tell me that you and most others who here gripe about my word choices didn't graduate from high school, are non-native speakers of English, failed to master English in high school, or experienced some other unusual occurrence, there's no good reason -- though there is likely at least a reason -- for readers here to find much of anything I write beyond their comprehension.
   
   I picked up some discipline-specific, so-called "technical" terms, in college and grad school, and I do on USMB use them; however, I nearly always provide a link for those terms so readers will know what they mean in the context in which I used them. I do that because I know I am applying their discipline-specific meanings, and, unlike words on a standard high school vocabulary list, I have no basis for expecting readers to understand those words in their disciplinary context.

you talk an awful lot for someone who says nothing.

There you go again, trying to make "it" about me when "it" really isn't.

to be honest i didn't read your "war and peace" post to know what it was about. it started off a lecture and i lost interest in that immediately and quit reading.

 

[Dragonlady]

so from an objective standpoint, we have trump pushing someone out of the way. when you watch the video, the man didn't seem to mind, nor care, nor look offended.

to anyone who says that trip made trump look stupid, you hated him long before that trip and regardless of what he did, you had your headlines ready. but if your best one is him "shoving" someone out of the way - you ain't got shit.

I disagree. I think the guy looked surprised. Those around him were looking at Trump like "Fucking bullying moron". And that is exactly what he looked like.

And that isn't the best. There is so much more....

then maybe you should save the bitching for when it matters and not when it makes you look like the petty side w/an agenda.

not sure how you got a "surprised look" out of that unless you just want to see it there. he's smiling before that and after that and again, 5 seconds of video and you *know* what happened and how people feel about it?

It matters NOW. That's the part you Trumpbots don't get. Everything your President does matters.

If he is disrespectful to his allies, Putin is emboldened to push for a complete take over of the Ukraine because they are new to NATO, and pretty much broke. There is no way the can afford to spend more of defence at the moment.

If he tells the Saudis that human rights don't matter, he's giving them permission to wipe out the Sunni Muslims and to attack Yemen and Iran.

He backed down on his criticisms of China when the Chinese Premier refused to meet with him until he confirmed the One China policy and stopped calling China a currency manipulator.

He also backed down on pulling out of NAFTA, and he backed down against Big Pharma on making them reduce their prices. As soon as anyone calls his bluff, Trump folds like the cheap suit that he is.

No one outside of the US has ANY respect for Trump. Not your allies, and certainly not your enemies. They're being emboldened every day by his idiocy.







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[westwall]

There were numerous opportunities for satire - an awkward handshake with the French president, wife Melania slapping his hand away, a painful meeting with a solemn Pope, a childish guestbook note at a Holocaust Museum, Trump apparently ignoring his host at the G7 summit, his shoving Montenegro's PM out of the way and a cringeworthy "curtsy" to the King of Saudi Arabia.

How Donald Trump's first big trip as President has spelled disaster - World - NZ Herald News

I would far rather be a laughing stock, than the whipping boy that obummer turned us into.

 

[iceberg]

so from an objective standpoint, we have trump pushing someone out of the way. when you watch the video, the man didn't seem to mind, nor care, nor look offended.

to anyone who says that trip made trump look stupid, you hated him long before that trip and regardless of what he did, you had your headlines ready. but if your best one is him "shoving" someone out of the way - you ain't got shit.

I disagree. I think the guy looked surprised. Those around him were looking at Trump like "Fucking bullying moron". And that is exactly what he looked like.

And that isn't the best. There is so much more....

then maybe you should save the bitching for when it matters and not when it makes you look like the petty side w/an agenda.

not sure how you got a "surprised look" out of that unless you just want to see it there. he's smiling before that and after that and again, 5 seconds of video and you *know* what happened and how people feel about it?

It matters NOW. That's the part you Trumpbots don't get. Everything your President does matters.

If he is disrespectful to his allies, Putin is emboldened to push for a complete take over of the Ukraine because they are new to NATO, and pretty much broke. There is no way the can afford to spend more of defence at the moment.

If he tells the Saudis that human rights don't matter, he's giving them permission to wipe out the Sunni Muslims and to attack Yemen and Iran.

He backed down on his criticisms of China when the Chinese Premier refused to meet with him until he confirmed the One China policy and stopped calling China a currency manipulator.

He also backed down on pulling out of NAFTA, and he backed down against Big Pharma on making them reduce their prices. As soon as anyone calls his bluff, Trump folds like the cheap suit that he is.

No one outside of the US has ANY respect for Trump. Not you allies, and certainly not your enemies. They're being emboldened every day by his idiocy.

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so - anyone who doesn't trash on trump with you is a "trumpbot" - ok.

i'll just say it. that's fucking stupid.

that is all.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Okay, Polly.

​

Should I have Nabisco send you some saltines?

what good would it do me to say it any other way? your mind is made up just as much as mine is, i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

you rail on me cause i won't alter how i feel but you are not either - but you won't see or acknowledge that.

funny, to me.

ha ha.

i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

You'll recall that earlier I wrote:

There're several things you might do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound, yet you do none of them.

With your quoted remark just above, we now have clear evidence of at least two things you could do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound. What are those things you might do?

1. Learn that a sound argument/valid conclusion cannot derive from a comparison of things that are not mutually exclusive and then think about what you read and intend to write/say so that you don't make the mistake of presenting a disjointed comparisons.
   • Regardless of how I see Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president -- as as "shining example" or merely as an example, or, as I wrote a palpable example, of his rudeness -- the fact remains that it was deliberately rude, and the deliberacy of his action is plain to see in the video. That Trump may have not been aware of the raffishness of his deed does not make it or Trump be anything other than incult. Rude is rude, as the truth is the truth, no matter one's awareness (or lack thereof) of it. Pi is yet thought to be an irrational number, even if one doesn't know that to be so or doesn't know what an irrational number is.
   • Assuming, as you do, Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president is an example of "Trump being Trump," it was still rude, and I don't think it acceptable for a POTUS to be rude toward anyone.
2. Accurately paraphrase, or directly quote, other people's remarks.
   • I did not so much as intimate that Trump is evil. I described him as crass, profligately mendacious, infelicitous and inept. [1] One need not be any of those things to be evil and none of those things are synonymous with "evil."

Note:

1. Earlier, you remarked:
   

   you can pull from your thesaurus

   I have no idea why my word choices strike you as something upon which to remark. Whatever the reason -- I don't care what it is -- it has to do with you, not me. Outside of USMB, nobody has ever has anything to say -- positive or negative -- about my word choices, perhaps because the relevant people in my life -- family, close friends and associates, clients and colleagues -- use the same bundle words I do.
   
   Were it so that I "pull" words from a thesaurus, if I meant "evil," I'd have chosen to write "evil" or something synonymous with it. You see I nearly always write what I actually mean, and not what I don't mean, and usually not something similar to what I mean, though were I to do the latter, I'd bother to also write something akin to "for lack of a better word," so readers know I didn't carefully choose my words in that that instance. You see, I think it important to accurately and precisely express my thoughts; thus I choose my words accordingly. (Am I 100% perfect in that regard? No, but I'm far closer to 100% than I am to 70%.)
   
   As for the actual words I choose.....Well, I use the ones I learned (not merely memorized) in school, mostly in high school, after which time my vocabulary has remained fairly constant. Thus, unless you are going to tell me that you and most others who here gripe about my word choices didn't graduate from high school, are non-native speakers of English, failed to master English in high school, or experienced some other unusual occurrence, there's no good reason -- though there is likely at least a reason -- for readers here to find much of anything I write beyond their comprehension.
   
   I picked up some discipline-specific, so-called "technical" terms, in college and grad school, and I do on USMB use them; however, I nearly always provide a link for those terms so readers will know what they mean in the context in which I used them. I do that because I know I am applying their discipline-specific meanings, and, unlike words on a standard high school vocabulary list, I have no basis for expecting readers to understand those words in their disciplinary context.

you talk an awful lot for someone who says nothing.

There you go again, trying to make "it" about me when "it" really isn't.

to be honest i didn't read your "war and peace" post to know what it was about. it started off a lecture and i lost interest in that immediately and quit reading.

to be honest i didn't read your...post

Well, TY. That confirms what I suspected about you all along: you'll post things and not really know what you are talking about.

 

[iceberg]

what good would it do me to say it any other way? your mind is made up just as much as mine is, i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

you rail on me cause i won't alter how i feel but you are not either - but you won't see or acknowledge that.

funny, to me.

ha ha.

i suppose. you see this as a shining example of how evil trump is and i see it as trump being trump.

You'll recall that earlier I wrote:

There're several things you might do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound, yet you do none of them.

With your quoted remark just above, we now have clear evidence of at least two things you could do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound. What are those things you might do?

1. Learn that a sound argument/valid conclusion cannot derive from a comparison of things that are not mutually exclusive and then think about what you read and intend to write/say so that you don't make the mistake of presenting a disjointed comparisons.
   • Regardless of how I see Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president -- as as "shining example" or merely as an example, or, as I wrote a palpable example, of his rudeness -- the fact remains that it was deliberately rude, and the deliberacy of his action is plain to see in the video. That Trump may have not been aware of the raffishness of his deed does not make it or Trump be anything other than incult. Rude is rude, as the truth is the truth, no matter one's awareness (or lack thereof) of it. Pi is yet thought to be an irrational number, even if one doesn't know that to be so or doesn't know what an irrational number is.
   • Assuming, as you do, Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president is an example of "Trump being Trump," it was still rude, and I don't think it acceptable for a POTUS to be rude toward anyone.
2. Accurately paraphrase, or directly quote, other people's remarks.
   • I did not so much as intimate that Trump is evil. I described him as crass, profligately mendacious, infelicitous and inept. [1] One need not be any of those things to be evil and none of those things are synonymous with "evil."

Note:

1. Earlier, you remarked:
   

   you can pull from your thesaurus

   I have no idea why my word choices strike you as something upon which to remark. Whatever the reason -- I don't care what it is -- it has to do with you, not me. Outside of USMB, nobody has ever has anything to say -- positive or negative -- about my word choices, perhaps because the relevant people in my life -- family, close friends and associates, clients and colleagues -- use the same bundle words I do.
   
   Were it so that I "pull" words from a thesaurus, if I meant "evil," I'd have chosen to write "evil" or something synonymous with it. You see I nearly always write what I actually mean, and not what I don't mean, and usually not something similar to what I mean, though were I to do the latter, I'd bother to also write something akin to "for lack of a better word," so readers know I didn't carefully choose my words in that that instance. You see, I think it important to accurately and precisely express my thoughts; thus I choose my words accordingly. (Am I 100% perfect in that regard? No, but I'm far closer to 100% than I am to 70%.)
   
   As for the actual words I choose.....Well, I use the ones I learned (not merely memorized) in school, mostly in high school, after which time my vocabulary has remained fairly constant. Thus, unless you are going to tell me that you and most others who here gripe about my word choices didn't graduate from high school, are non-native speakers of English, failed to master English in high school, or experienced some other unusual occurrence, there's no good reason -- though there is likely at least a reason -- for readers here to find much of anything I write beyond their comprehension.
   
   I picked up some discipline-specific, so-called "technical" terms, in college and grad school, and I do on USMB use them; however, I nearly always provide a link for those terms so readers will know what they mean in the context in which I used them. I do that because I know I am applying their discipline-specific meanings, and, unlike words on a standard high school vocabulary list, I have no basis for expecting readers to understand those words in their disciplinary context.

you talk an awful lot for someone who says nothing.

There you go again, trying to make "it" about me when "it" really isn't.

to be honest i didn't read your "war and peace" post to know what it was about. it started off a lecture and i lost interest in that immediately and quit reading.

to be honest i didn't read your...post

Well, TY. That confirms what I suspected about you all along: you'll post things and not really know what you are talking about.

of course that must be it. it can't be i just got tired of your wall of "intellect" you like to flog people with. it can't be that in my mind, you like to go on and on about how good you are at this posting stuff and we need to pay attention.

maybe next time.

 

[Dragonlady]

so from an objective standpoint, we have trump pushing someone out of the way. when you watch the video, the man didn't seem to mind, nor care, nor look offended.

to anyone who says that trip made trump look stupid, you hated him long before that trip and regardless of what he did, you had your headlines ready. but if your best one is him "shoving" someone out of the way - you ain't got shit.

I disagree. I think the guy looked surprised. Those around him were looking at Trump like "Fucking bullying moron". And that is exactly what he looked like.

And that isn't the best. There is so much more....

then maybe you should save the bitching for when it matters and not when it makes you look like the petty side w/an agenda.

not sure how you got a "surprised look" out of that unless you just want to see it there. he's smiling before that and after that and again, 5 seconds of video and you *know* what happened and how people feel about it?

It matters NOW. That's the part you Trumpbots don't get. Everything your President does matters.

If he is disrespectful to his allies, Putin is emboldened to push for a complete take over of the Ukraine because they are new to NATO, and pretty much broke. There is no way the can afford to spend more of defence at the moment.

If he tells the Saudis that human rights don't matter, he's giving them permission to wipe out the Sunni Muslims and to attack Yemen and Iran.

He backed down on his criticisms of China when the Chinese Premier refused to meet with him until he confirmed the One China policy and stopped calling China a currency manipulator.

He also backed down on pulling out of NAFTA, and he backed down against Big Pharma on making them reduce their prices. As soon as anyone calls his bluff, Trump folds like the cheap suit that he is.

No one outside of the US has ANY respect for Trump. Not you allies, and certainly not your enemies. They're being emboldened every day by his idiocy.

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so - anyone who doesn't trash on trump with you is a "trumpbot" - ok.

i'll just say it. that's fucking stupid.

that is all.

When you parrot Trump's every lie verbatim, and without question, yes that makes you a Trumpbot.

 

[iceberg]

so from an objective standpoint, we have trump pushing someone out of the way. when you watch the video, the man didn't seem to mind, nor care, nor look offended.

to anyone who says that trip made trump look stupid, you hated him long before that trip and regardless of what he did, you had your headlines ready. but if your best one is him "shoving" someone out of the way - you ain't got shit.

I disagree. I think the guy looked surprised. Those around him were looking at Trump like "Fucking bullying moron". And that is exactly what he looked like.

And that isn't the best. There is so much more....

then maybe you should save the bitching for when it matters and not when it makes you look like the petty side w/an agenda.

not sure how you got a "surprised look" out of that unless you just want to see it there. he's smiling before that and after that and again, 5 seconds of video and you *know* what happened and how people feel about it?

It matters NOW. That's the part you Trumpbots don't get. Everything your President does matters.

If he is disrespectful to his allies, Putin is emboldened to push for a complete take over of the Ukraine because they are new to NATO, and pretty much broke. There is no way the can afford to spend more of defence at the moment.

If he tells the Saudis that human rights don't matter, he's giving them permission to wipe out the Sunni Muslims and to attack Yemen and Iran.

He backed down on his criticisms of China when the Chinese Premier refused to meet with him until he confirmed the One China policy and stopped calling China a currency manipulator.

He also backed down on pulling out of NAFTA, and he backed down against Big Pharma on making them reduce their prices. As soon as anyone calls his bluff, Trump folds like the cheap suit that he is.

No one outside of the US has ANY respect for Trump. Not you allies, and certainly not your enemies. They're being emboldened every day by his idiocy.

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so - anyone who doesn't trash on trump with you is a "trumpbot" - ok.

i'll just say it. that's fucking stupid.

that is all.

When you parrot Trump's every lie verbatim, and without question, yes that makes you a Trumpbot.

then name 1 lie i've parroted of trumps verbatim.

i'll wait.

 

[task0778]

I think Trump is getting a lot more respect for America than Obama ever did. Talk about a laughing stock, Obama was a joke. That Iran deal, the Syria red line, kissing ass and bowing and scraping, apologizing left and right and leading from behind. At least Trump is telling the rest of the world that we can't defend them and pay for it too, it's about freakin' time somebody on our side grew a pair.

 

[easyt65]

'How Trump is making the US the laughing stock of the world'

Actually Trump is just allowing the snowflakes to make themselves the 'laughing stock of the world'.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is running wild - ANOTHER new day, STILL no evidence.

 

[sartre play]

Kind of sad, the way we talk about each other, I don't even know any of you. when you take political office you are employed by the people, they get to share there view on how your doing the job, good bad or indifferent.

 

[usmbguest5318]

You'll recall that earlier I wrote:

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With your quoted remark just above, we now have clear evidence of at least two things you could do to make yourself smarter and your arguments sound. What are those things you might do?

1. Learn that a sound argument/valid conclusion cannot derive from a comparison of things that are not mutually exclusive and then think about what you read and intend to write/say so that you don't make the mistake of presenting a disjointed comparisons.
   • Regardless of how I see Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president -- as as "shining example" or merely as an example, or, as I wrote a palpable example, of his rudeness -- the fact remains that it was deliberately rude, and the deliberacy of his action is plain to see in the video. That Trump may have not been aware of the raffishness of his deed does not make it or Trump be anything other than incult. Rude is rude, as the truth is the truth, no matter one's awareness (or lack thereof) of it. Pi is yet thought to be an irrational number, even if one doesn't know that to be so or doesn't know what an irrational number is.
   • Assuming, as you do, Trump's behavior toward the Montenegrin president is an example of "Trump being Trump," it was still rude, and I don't think it acceptable for a POTUS to be rude toward anyone.
2. Accurately paraphrase, or directly quote, other people's remarks.
   • I did not so much as intimate that Trump is evil. I described him as crass, profligately mendacious, infelicitous and inept. [1] One need not be any of those things to be evil and none of those things are synonymous with "evil."

Note:

1. Earlier, you remarked:
   
   I have no idea why my word choices strike you as something upon which to remark. Whatever the reason -- I don't care what it is -- it has to do with you, not me. Outside of USMB, nobody has ever has anything to say -- positive or negative -- about my word choices, perhaps because the relevant people in my life -- family, close friends and associates, clients and colleagues -- use the same bundle words I do.
   
   Were it so that I "pull" words from a thesaurus, if I meant "evil," I'd have chosen to write "evil" or something synonymous with it. You see I nearly always write what I actually mean, and not what I don't mean, and usually not something similar to what I mean, though were I to do the latter, I'd bother to also write something akin to "for lack of a better word," so readers know I didn't carefully choose my words in that that instance. You see, I think it important to accurately and precisely express my thoughts; thus I choose my words accordingly. (Am I 100% perfect in that regard? No, but I'm far closer to 100% than I am to 70%.)
   
   As for the actual words I choose.....Well, I use the ones I learned (not merely memorized) in school, mostly in high school, after which time my vocabulary has remained fairly constant. Thus, unless you are going to tell me that you and most others who here gripe about my word choices didn't graduate from high school, are non-native speakers of English, failed to master English in high school, or experienced some other unusual occurrence, there's no good reason -- though there is likely at least a reason -- for readers here to find much of anything I write beyond their comprehension.
   
   I picked up some discipline-specific, so-called "technical" terms, in college and grad school, and I do on USMB use them; however, I nearly always provide a link for those terms so readers will know what they mean in the context in which I used them. I do that because I know I am applying their discipline-specific meanings, and, unlike words on a standard high school vocabulary list, I have no basis for expecting readers to understand those words in their disciplinary context.

you talk an awful lot for someone who says nothing.

There you go again, trying to make "it" about me when "it" really isn't.

to be honest i didn't read your "war and peace" post to know what it was about. it started off a lecture and i lost interest in that immediately and quit reading.

to be honest i didn't read your...post

Well, TY. That confirms what I suspected about you all along: you'll post things and not really know what you are talking about.

of course that must be it. it can't be i just got tired of your wall of "intellect" you like to flog people with. it can't be that in my mind, you like to go on and on about how good you are at this posting stuff and we need to pay attention.

maybe next time.

You persist in trying to make this discussion and your objection to my post about me when it is not.

it can't be i just got tired of your wall of "intellect" you like to flog people with.

If you feel "flogged" by my comments, that's on you. That has nothing to do with me.

in my mind, you like to go on and on about how good you are at this posting stuff and we need to pay attention.

What's in your mind is also all about you, not me.​

The fact of the matter is that, by your own attestation, you did not read the post; therefore you cannot know what it says, yet you had something to say about it. That is, by definition, remarking upon something and not knowing what you are talking about. That is exactly the behavior I stated I suspected of you and that you have confirmed to be among your behaviors.

 

[playtime]

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maybe. but the problem is i've been burned enough on 2 seconds of video to know i don't know the whole story. since i don't know the whole story OR the context around it, i won't dance around made or in defense like i do.

It looked like maybe just prior to what we saw in the video the guy may have pushed past him and he was getting his own back. Whatever it was, it still made him second rate. A person who is supposed to represent the free world and 330 million people is supposed to be a lot more diplomatic and classy.

it makes people who call him out constantly look petty.

but the people keep doing it.

which is why when i see this i now ignore it. the left will make anything trump says or does the worst possible thing he could have done at the time and that's just bullshit. no one is wrong 100% of the time and if i see someone pulling that shit, i just move on vs. talk to them.

^^^ "it makes people who call him out constantly look petty."

ya, that makes sense. kinda like the leaking going on is the treasonous act, not the actual deeds possibly being done 'eh?

o that is truly funny.

 

[playtime]

There were numerous opportunities for satire - an awkward handshake with the French president, wife Melania slapping his hand away, a painful meeting with a solemn Pope, a childish guestbook note at a Holocaust Museum, Trump apparently ignoring his host at the G7 summit, his shoving Montenegro's PM out of the way and a cringeworthy "curtsy" to the King of Saudi Arabia.

How Donald Trump's first big trip as President has spelled disaster - World - NZ Herald News

We're Nationalist now. Globalism, as Obama has proven, is an epic fail

I could care less what the 'world' thinks of U.S.

One thing is for sure, they know we are no longer the doormat Obama allowed them to walk on... over and over and over

-Geaux

uh-huh; sure-sure.

& there's much truth in the saying ' there's strength in numbers '

 

[playtime]

Enough. You clearly don't realise how unsound your argument -- which basically amounts to "anything's possible" -- is.

There're several things you might do to make your arguments sound, yet you do none of them.

what argument? i don't think he was intentionally pushing anyone aside and i refuse to believe it from a few seconds of video?

how is "I FUCKING HATE THIS MAN HATE WITH ME GOD DAMN IT" any more sound? as for "anything is possible" - so is getting pissed cause someone PUSHED someone else out of the way - well i suppose it's possible" - but again, you get to do things you won't allow done back in your direction. this homey don't play in that direction. in fact, i usually kick it up when i see people do it and use their own methods back at them. it's how i get my kicks.

and when you quit trying to pin the hate on trump and will talk w/o predisposition of direction you wish to go, i'll be glad to join in. til then i'll simply stop by from time to time and giggle at your hate-boner.

What more of the video could there be? What could exonerate that kind of behavior?

to you? nothing. but to you, this video wasn't needed for you to hate trump. anything will do.

That's a deflection not an answer. What could possibly put that in a better light? Name one thing? It was a dance?

no, that was just as much an answer as you give on things. just because you don't like it doesn't change what it is.

yes he pushed himself to the front of the pack. the other dude didn't seem to care NEAR AS MUCH as you who wasn't even there. i said before it was "trump being trump" - but it's the liberals that make mt st helens out of a puff of smoke cause they hate trump and hate that not all feel as they do.

what was he gonna do? trump counted on the other man's diplomacy & restrained reaction. i'm willing to bet that he knew nothing was going to be done or said to counteract his very childish alpha male bully behavior.

 

[xyz]

Talk about a personality disorder! The look on his face at the end says it all...

The best part is that he shoves Trump back.