How to save inner city schools.

[Woodznutz]

Today they keep them and write an IEP then he shoots up the school

In most cases the shooter was bullied, ostracized, or ignored by classmates. This can really screw a kid up especially if home life is also bad.

 

[Hafar1014]

In most cases the shooter was bullied, ostracized, or ignored by classmates. This can really screw a kid up especially if home life is also bad.

Not main the reason. Every school killer has preexisting mental illness and fall into 1 or more of these diagnosis, anti social personality, PTSD, or psychosis(schizophrenic). They should not be in a normal school. They have histories that are well known. Often they have idiots for parents.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not main the reason. Every school killer has preexisting mental illness and fall into 1 or more of these diagnosis, anti social personality, PTSD, or psychosis(schizophrenic). They should not be in a normal school. They have histories that are well known. Often they have idiots for parents.

So why do they shoot their classmates?

 

[Hafar1014]

Not main the reason. Every school killer has preexisting mental illness and fall into 1 or more of these diagnosis, anti social personality, PTSD, or psychosis(schizophrenic). They should not be in a normal school. They have histories that are well known. Often they have idiots for parents.

Amazon.com: Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters: 9780230101487: Langman PhD, Peter: Books

Amazon.com: Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters: 9780230101487: Langman PhD, Peter: Books

www.amazon.com

Great study on school killers. I met Dr Langman when I was in graduate school. He did intensive studies of many cases and they were all mentally ill and fell into the 3 diagnosis

 

[Hafar1014]

So why do they shoot their classmates?

The school is their world. They attack them. Often the goal is suicide. Schizophrenics dont have a rational reason. Eric Harris had many personality disorders. Dylan Kleibold has been referred to as a pseudo psychopath he also had many disorders and wasnt really violent but Harris used him.

Nicholos Cruze had trauma and anto social personality. They tend to be violent and dont care about laws or rules. They have no empathy. His violence was well known.
Kip Kinkle PTSD
James Holmes was a schizophrenic and his DR knew and never made the report.
Andrew Wurst psychosis Thats just from memory

 

[Woodznutz]

Amazon.com: Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters: 9780230101487: Langman PhD, Peter: Books

Amazon.com: Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters: 9780230101487: Langman PhD, Peter: Books

www.amazon.com

Great study on school killers. I met Dr Langman when I was in graduate school. He did intensive studies of many cases and they were all mentally ill and fell into the 3 diagnosis

Sounds like all kids should undergo analysis before starting school.

Along this same line of thought it is interesting that the gold standard test for diagnosing potential heart disease is the angiogram, but it is not given until the person has symptoms of heart disease. By then it's too late for prevention but not for expensive treatment.

 

[Foxfyre]

How many years did you teach? I taught 21 years and Unk is correct!

I do not have an education degree and I'm not a full time teacher and never have been in the public schools, but have done a lot of substitute teaching, former school board member, have been heavily involved in the schools especially when our children were in school. In more recent years have done a lot of volunteer tutoring. Have been executive director of an agency that, among other things, included a preschool. I also have attended a large non-denominational church in which a great many of the large amount of youth attending are home schooled and, working with them, I got a sense of the education they are getting. (It is excellent.)

Situations, conditions, issues, problems vary across the country. What is you experience, what is Unkotare's experience is not necessarily my experience or that of the many educators in my family. But I do know that public education and a lot of the curriculum in my state now is quite different than it was when I was in school and when my children were in school.

Unkotare for the first time--at least as I've seen--described earlier the environment he teaches in--and I respect that. That definitely is not my experience. I don't know where you taught but it could have been very different there too.

I still maintain the very best chance we have to return education in the USA to be No. 1 in the world is to have far more conservative educators than liberal ones and to encourage two parent traditional families until that again becomes the norm.

 

[Foxfyre]

Why don't you get right on that? I am sure with your influence society can be changed overnight!

Were you that snarky, dismissive, and contemptuous of the opinions of your students?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I taught for years at a school in the district specifically for those students who were too dangerous or unruly to remain in the mainstream high schools in the city. I was recruited for this program for very specific reasons. Most of the teachers in the mainstream high schools were understandably scared of angry, troubled, 6'5" 260 lbs 16-20 year olds.

I first had to make them understand I was not going to take any of their shit. Then I had to make them understand I gave a shit about them. THEN we could get down to learning. Many of them eventually made their way back to the mainstream high schools and graduated. Some of them made their way to prison. But real teachers don't give up on kids. That's why the job's not easy.

Did they dare to question you not paying attention to them while making dozens of post a day here while they were in class?

 

[Woodznutz]

The school is their world.

BULLSEYE!

 

[Hafar1014]

Today they keep them and write an IEP then he shoots up the school

That was the case with Nicholas Cruz and many others

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ill name on St Martin Depove on 23rd and Lehigh in Phila

So, there's one! That is a Catholic school I assume. They give discounts for church members and scholarships I am sure. Not the same thing. Try again.

 

[Genevieve]

I had great teachers, but their zeal for preparing us for college was misplaced. Few graduates in my class went on to college.

I don't know when you were in school but public schools have hugely diminished over the years. Sometimes a teacher zeal isn't enough.

When my twins were in elementary school, I interviewed their teachers during parent teacher conferences and found them lacking. As soon as I could, I put my twins and their younger sister into a private school (early elementary years). I taught at the same private school.

When the private school closed, I home schooled them. My daughter from 5th grade through high school, my twins from 8th grade through high school. I found a strong college prep curriculum to use.

All three of them have college degrees. My daughter has her master's and taught English comp for 3 years at the University of OK. English is my chosen area so I loved that (and she went over lesson plans with me which I REALLY loved).

Don't worry. My kids escaped me. One is in Japan, one is in Seattle, one is in Kansas, and my daughter is in New York. I taught them travel is a good thing.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That was the case with Nicholas Cruz and many others

Oh, come off the bullshit! Why are you lying about something so easily disproved? Are you trying for the moron of the year award?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I had great teachers, but their zeal for preparing us for college was misplaced. Few graduates in my class went on to college.

I guess you couldn't live up to your potential, I guess. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Its true in Phila they have very low property taxes in poor areas. They use a city wage tax

Link to that information or is it just another piece of made-up bullshit?

I any case, isn't that the fault of the people of Philadelphia and not the schools themselves?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I do not have an education degree and I'm not a full time teacher and never have been in the public schools, but have done a lot of substitute teaching, former school board member, have been heavily involved in the schools especially when our children were in school. In more recent years have done a lot of volunteer tutoring. Have been executive director of an agency that, among other things, included a preschool. I also have attended a large non-denominational church in which a great many of the large amount of youth attending are home schooled and, working with them, I got a sense of the education they are getting. (It is excellent.)

Situations, conditions, issues, problems vary across the country. What is you experience, what is Unkotare's experience is not necessarily my experience or that of the many educators in my family. But I do know that public education and a lot of the curriculum in my state now is quite different than it was when I was in school and when my children were in school.

Unkotare for the first time--at least as I've seen--described earlier the environment he teaches in--and I respect that. That definitely is not my experience. I don't know where you taught but it could have been very different there too.

I still maintain the very best chance we have to return education in the USA to be No. 1 in the world is to have far more conservative educators than liberal ones and to encourage two parent traditional families until that again becomes the norm.

The political views of the educators really don't matter. My kids had liberal teachers, but they had no idea because they did not invoke their beliefs in the classroom. I taught in the high school where my two oldest attended and from which they graduated. They got excellent educations. The vast majority of the teachers are actually conservatives, but they often have to fight conservative politicians who make their jobs impossible. I taught in Florida with a Republican governor, Republican state board of education and our local district was mostly Republican. We struggled because most of them could not find their ass with both hands when it came to education, but the Democrats were even worse.

I am a firm believer that the only way to improve education is to improve the students by making for a better society. I taught in suburban, inner-city, rural and a high school for military dependents. Guess which of those had the most success?

 

[Foxfyre]

The political views of the educators really don't matter. My kids had liberal teachers, but they had no idea because they did not invoke their beliefs in the classroom. I taught in the high school where my two oldest attended and from which they graduated. They got excellent educations. The vast majority of the teachers are actually conservatives, but they often have to fight conservative politicians who make their jobs impossible. I taught in Florida with a Republican governor, Republican state board of education and our local district was mostly Republican. We struggled because most of them could not find their ass with both hands when it came to education, but the Democrats were even worse.

I am a firm believer that the only way to improve education is to improve the students by making for a better society. I taught in suburban, inner-city, rural and a high school for military dependents. Guess which of those had the most success?

Very very VERY few schools have mostly conservative teachers these days. The vast majority have precious few if any at all.

Very very VERY few students in public education are not immersed in left wing, 'progressive', 'woke' content and emphasis these days. If it isn't pushed by the teachers, it is pushed in the curriculum they teach.

I stand by my previous posts as to how best to save our inner-city (and all other) public schools. And allowing conservatism--i.e. allowing all points of view to be questioned, discussed, considered--and traditional two parent families are part of that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Very very VERY few schools have mostly conservative teachers these days. The vast majority have precious few if any at all.

Very very VERY few students in public education are not immersed in left wing, 'progressive', 'woke' content and emphasis these days. If it isn't pushed by the teachers, it is pushed in the curriculum they teach.

I stand by my previous posts as to how best to save our inner-city (and all other) public schools. And allowing conservatism--i.e. allowing all points of view to be questioned, discussed, considered--and traditional two parent families are part of that.

So how many of the hundreds of thousands of schools have you been in?

That is society in general and has nothing to do with education.

I have two grandchildren in school and they see nothing of what you describe. Mainly because they attend schools in red states.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You are not the only person who noticed this before.
How does a teacher makes dozens of post throughout the day - during school hours??

Because his ENTIRE LIFE is spamming this site.

Not main the reason. Every school killer has preexisting mental illness and fall into 1 or more of these diagnosis, anti social personality, PTSD, or psychosis(schizophrenic). They should not be in a normal school. They have histories that are well known. Often they have idiots for parents.

The school is their world. They attack them. Often the goal is suicide. Schizophrenics dont have a rational reason. Eric Harris had many personality disorders. Dylan Kleibold has been referred to as a pseudo psychopath he also had many disorders and wasnt really violent but Harris used him.

Nicholos Cruze had trauma and anto social personality. They tend to be violent and dont care about laws or rules. They have no empathy. His violence was well known.
Kip Kinkle PTSD
James Holmes was a schizophrenic and his DR knew and never made the report.
Andrew Wurst psychosis Thats just from memory

And they're often doped to the gills.

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Were you that snarky, dismissive, and contemptuous of the opinions of your students?

Of course he is. Remember: the plebe KNOWS ALL! He is infallible in all things! Just ask him.