How to reduce violent crime, if that is the actual goal, and it doesn't involve banning guns for normal people.

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Let us compare.....

Europe began registering, banning and confiscating guns in the 1920s......by the mid 1930s the socialists in Germany began the process of murdering 15 million innocent men, women and children....more people than gun criminals murdered in our entire 246 year history..S

Sooo....Europe has us out done with murder.........in just 6 years, 15 million murdered after registering, banning and confiscating guns.......

About 2,460,000 million murdered with guns in our entire 246 year history.....

There....compared to Europe, Russia, China.....we don't even come close....

2,460,000,000,000 murdered?

Check your stats.

 

[2aguy]

2,460,000,000,000 murdered?

Check your stats.

2,460,000 around that....if you average 10,000 gun murders a year...it would be about 2,460,000........with guns.....over 246 years...

Europe...murdered 15 million..in 6 years......we aren't even close to that

 

[2aguy]

2,460,000,000,000 murdered?

Check your stats.

You added too many zeros...........

 

[2aguy]

How are you going to enforce that on the criminals who commit the vast majority of gun violence? The courts have already ruled that you can't force a felon to register his gun since it's self-incrimination.

Yeah...they don't know that........

In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling.

As with many other 5th amendment cases, felons and others prohibited from possessing firearms could not be compelled to incriminate themselves through registration.[3][4] The National Firearms Act was amended after Haynes to make it apply only to those who could lawfully possess a firearm. This eliminated prosecution of prohibited persons, such as criminals, and cured the self-incrimination problem.

Haynes v. United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[M14 Shooter]

If you mean today, you're right. If you mean in the future, maybe.

It's not the future. Until it is, you don't get to ignore the constitution.

Seems logical and fits with what I know of people.

Noted, the absence of a sound argument in response to the challenge presented to you

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You added too many zeros...........

No
You said "million" after the number, dumbass!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

2,460,000 around that....if you average 10,000 gun murders a year...it would be about 2,460,000........with guns.....over 246 years...

Europe...murdered 15 million..in 6 years......we aren't even close to that

Your numbers are made up. There were not 10000 gun murders in the early days of our country.

 

[2aguy]

No
You said "million" after the number, dumbass!

You are such a twit......you moron.

 

[2aguy]

Your numbers are made up. There were not 10000 gun murders in the early days of our country.

Which is why the 2,460,000 is a general number.....not the exact number, which makes our gun murder number no where near as bad as the likely over 15 million murdered by the governments of Europe under the control of the socialists............after they banned and confiscated guns......

 

[alang1216]

And? Some people who commit rape, robbery, murder....lose those Rights thru due process of law......your point?

Human Rights, Constitutional Rights, any Right can be regulated.

 

[2aguy]

Human Rights, Constitutional Rights, any Right can be regulated.

Yep...because everyone is protected by those Rights so we have to take that into account.....two groups can't use the same public square at the same time for their free speech rally....so they have to take turns...

Meanwhile, we already have all the laws we need to govern guns..........we don't need anymore.....considering the democrats refuse to keep violent gun offenders locked up...and release them over and over again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You are such a twit......you moron.

I didn't fuck up the statistic. You did! Moron!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Which is why the 2,460,000 is a general number.....not the exact number, which makes our gun murder number no where near as bad as the likely over 15 million murdered by the governments of Europe under the control of the socialists............after they banned and confiscated guns......

So you admit your number is bullshit and you simply made it up?

 

[2aguy]

I didn't fuck up the statistic. You did! Moron!

Drop dead, moron..........obsessing over a typo is really stupid......

 

[2aguy]

So you admit your number is bullshit and you simply made it up?

No...shithead........you take about 10,000 a year.......and that is being generous to the anti-gun fanatics.............you dipshit......last year it was 19,000 due to the policies of the democrat party.......attacking the police and releasing violent gun offenders...

So...over 246 years we had around 2,460,000 ..........the Europeans? they murdered over 15 million people....innocent men, women and children.....the vast majority of our gun murder deaths are criminals murdered by other criminals.......or their family and friends hit in the crossfire .......

So, dipshit...obsess over a typo.......and show us how really stupid you are...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No...shithead........you take about 10,000 a year.......and that is being generous to the anti-gun fanatics.............you dipshit......last year it was 19,000 due to the policies of the democrat party.......attacking the police and releasing violent gun offenders...

So...over 246 years we had around 2,460,000 ..........the Europeans? they murdered over 15 million people....innocent men, women and children.....the vast majority of our gun murder deaths are criminals murdered by other criminals.......or their family and friends hit in the crossfire .......

So, dipshit...obsess over a typo.......and show us how really stupid you are...

Your data is simply not based in reality. That is the problem.

 

[2aguy]

Your data is simply not based in reality. That is the problem.

Hey, dipshit....... I can't know the exact numbers of gun murder from 1777.......so yeah, you dumb ass.....2,460,000 is a guess based on using 10,000 as an average...as I have stated in this and other posts on this topic....

Never the less, you doofus........

Our gun murder rate is no where close to the murder committed by the European countries the anti-gun fanatics throw in our faces as they make their stupid, anti-gun arguments.....

You clod.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Human Rights, Constitutional Rights, any Right can be regulated.

The right to keep and bear arms IS regulated; the decisions of the USSC tell us what regulations violate the constitution, and what regulations do not.

 

[alang1216]

Let us compare.....

Europe began registering, banning and confiscating guns in the 1920s......by the mid 1930s the socialists in Germany began the process of murdering 15 million innocent men, women and children....more people than gun criminals murdered in our entire 246 year history..S

Sooo....Europe has us out done with murder.........in just 6 years, 15 million murdered after registering, banning and confiscating guns.......

About 2,460,000 million murdered with guns in our entire 246 year history.....

There....compared to Europe, Russia, China.....we don't even come close....

I think your cause and effect are not well correlated.

 

[alang1216]

How are you going to enforce that on the criminals who commit the vast majority of gun violence? The courts have already ruled that you can't force a felon to register his gun since it's self-incrimination.

Every car comes with a VIN that can show who initially bought that car. Guns can have their own GIN.