How to reduce violent crime, if that is the actual goal, and it doesn't involve banning guns for normal people.

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The democrats don't care about gun crime...in fact, high levels of gun crime help their gun banning agenda. This is one of the benefits they get by releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......more gun crime, which allows them to push gun control.....that only affects law abiding gun owners.

Here are actual solutions to violent crime...if that is the goal.....reducing violent crime, rather than simply using violent crime as an excuse to ban guns......

Former federal prosecutor Tom Hogan sat down with PragerU to break down four policy changes that could rapidly reverse that trend.

  1. Target the “power few”
  2. Go after the drug dealers and gun toting felons
  3. Unite cops and prosecutors
  4. Keep the bad actors in jail


“None of these solutions are theoretical: they’re street tested and backed by rigorous studies,” Hogan said. “They’re constitutional, and cost effective. While each one will reduce crime on its own, taken together, they can transform a city, not in decades, but within a year or two.”

Hogan first notes that violence follows predictable patterns — it usually takes place in a handful of “crime hot spots,” disproportionately on nights and weekends and during the summer. Furthermore, a very small share of offenders commit the majority of violent crimes.


“In any given city, just 5% of criminals are responsible for 50% of all violent crimes,” Hogan said. “I want to make this abundantly clear: it’s not 5% of the total population of the city … it’s 5% of the criminals.”

By focusing on these “hot spots” and getting a relative handful of serial offenders off the streets, police can have an outsized impact on violent crime.

Similarly, drug dealers and felons with illegally acquired firearms are valuable targets — not only are they career criminals themselves, but they’re also intimately connected to criminal networks that smuggle illicit goods across the country and have witnessed far more crimes than they have perpetrated. When faced with harsh sentences, they will often flip and provide valuable information on other cases in exchange for leniency.


Hogan also stresses the need for police and prosecutors to collaborate throughout the process to avoid legal slip ups or sloppy presentation of evidence.
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Finally, Hogan stresses the need for longer sentencing, citing two studies by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, which found that sentences in excess of five years were correlated with lower rates of recidivism.


While the intuitive understanding that the threat of longer sentences disincentivize crime is applicable, Hogan also cites the age-crime curve, a widely observed statistical phenomenon that shows that criminal aggression in males peaks in late adolescence.

“Most violent criminals commit the majority of their crimes from their late teens into their 20s,” Hogan noted.


 
I like what El Salvador just did- gather up every gang banger in the country, ship them ton a high security prison & throw away the key.
Guaranteed if you take out the gang bangers, drug dealers, serial offenders & stop adding suicides into the BS stats, our violent crime rates drop faster than Kamala hits her knees at a job interview.
 
The democrats don't care about gun crime...in fact, high levels of gun crime help their gun banning agenda. This is one of the benefits they get by releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......more gun crime, which allows them to push gun control.....that only affects law abiding gun owners.

Here are actual solutions to violent crime...if that is the goal.....reducing violent crime, rather than simply using violent crime as an excuse to ban guns......

Former federal prosecutor Tom Hogan sat down with PragerU to break down four policy changes that could rapidly reverse that trend.

  1. Target the “power few”
  2. Go after the drug dealers and gun toting felons
  3. Unite cops and prosecutors
  4. Keep the bad actors in jail


“None of these solutions are theoretical: they’re street tested and backed by rigorous studies,” Hogan said. “They’re constitutional, and cost effective. While each one will reduce crime on its own, taken together, they can transform a city, not in decades, but within a year or two.”

Hogan first notes that violence follows predictable patterns — it usually takes place in a handful of “crime hot spots,” disproportionately on nights and weekends and during the summer. Furthermore, a very small share of offenders commit the majority of violent crimes.


“In any given city, just 5% of criminals are responsible for 50% of all violent crimes,” Hogan said. “I want to make this abundantly clear: it’s not 5% of the total population of the city … it’s 5% of the criminals.”

By focusing on these “hot spots” and getting a relative handful of serial offenders off the streets, police can have an outsized impact on violent crime.

Similarly, drug dealers and felons with illegally acquired firearms are valuable targets — not only are they career criminals themselves, but they’re also intimately connected to criminal networks that smuggle illicit goods across the country and have witnessed far more crimes than they have perpetrated. When faced with harsh sentences, they will often flip and provide valuable information on other cases in exchange for leniency.


Hogan also stresses the need for police and prosecutors to collaborate throughout the process to avoid legal slip ups or sloppy presentation of evidence.
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Finally, Hogan stresses the need for longer sentencing, citing two studies by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, which found that sentences in excess of five years were correlated with lower rates of recidivism.

While the intuitive understanding that the threat of longer sentences disincentivize crime is applicable, Hogan also cites the age-crime curve, a widely observed statistical phenomenon that shows that criminal aggression in males peaks in late adolescence.


“Most violent criminals commit the majority of their crimes from their late teens into their 20s,” Hogan noted.


I have no issue being tough on violent criminals but it is hard to feel sorry for US gun owners. There are hundreds of millions of legal guns in this country so it seems they are easy to come by for anyone who wants one.
 
I like what El Salvador just did- gather up every gang banger in the country, ship them ton a high security prison & throw away the key.
Guaranteed if you take out the gang bangers, drug dealers, serial offenders & stop adding suicides into the BS stats, our violent crime rates drop faster than Kamala hits her knees at a job interview.

Uhhhh...I might be wrong, but they didn't ship those gang bangers to a high security prison and throw away the key.

They shipped them up here. :laughing0301:
 
I have no issue being tough on violent criminals but it is hard to feel sorry for US gun owners. There are hundreds of millions of legal guns in this country so it seems they are easy to come by for anyone who wants one.

Those hundreds of millions of legal gun owners commit a minute fraction of the actual gun crimes.

Less than 1% of crime guns are acquired at gun shows, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. 5

About 2.3% of guns used in violent crime come from retail sources. 7

One study 9of adult offenders living in Chicago or nearby determined that criminals obtain most of their guns through their social network and personal connections. Rarely is the proximate source either direct purchase from a gun store, or even theft. This agrees with other, broader studies of incarcerated felons.

Another city-wide study, 10 this one in Pittsburgh, showed that 80% of people illegally carrying guns were prohibited from possessing guns, and that a minimum of 30% of the guns were stolen.

Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. 13 Most often, the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

Washington DC has essentially banned gun ownership since 1976 19 and has a murder rate of 56.9 per 100,000. Across the river in Arlington, Virginia, gun ownership is less restricted. There, the murder rate is just 1.6 per 100,000, less than three percent of the Washington, DC rate. 20

In 1982, Kennesaw, GA passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate dropped 89% the following year. 22

A survey of the top 100 police agencies for calendar year 2019 showed that at most 1.3% of crime guns were DIY guns (when outlier agencies were removed) and maybe 2% with outlier agencies included.

90% of all violent crimes in the U.S. do not involve firearms of any type. 24

Fewer than 1% of firearms will ever be used in the commission of a crime. 26

Two-thirds of the people who die each year from gunfire are criminals being shot by other criminals. 27

Cincinnati’s review of their gang problem revealed that 74% of homicides were committed by less than 1% of the population. 28

Fewer than 5% of traced guns in California, many of which were not crime guns, came from neighboring Nevada and Arizona. 33

“Saturday Night Specials” were used in fewer than 3% of crimes involving guns. 38

Only 0.8% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows. 39.2% obtained them from illegal street dealers. 40

Fewer than 1% of “crime guns” were obtained at gun shows. 41 This is a reduction from a 1997 study that found 2% of guns used in criminal offenses were purchased at gun shows. 42

The FBI concluded in one study that no firearms acquired at gun shows were used to kill police. “In contrast to media myth, none of the firearms in the study were obtained from gun shows.” 43

93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows). 46

In the drug-ridden Miami of 1980, fewer than 1% of all gun homicides were with machine guns. 63

Crime and Guns: Insights into the sources of crime guns, their use, regional/international variations, and more.
 
The democrats don't care about gun crime...in fact, high levels of gun crime help their gun banning agenda. This is one of the benefits they get by releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......more gun crime, which allows them to push gun control.....that only affects law abiding gun owners.

Here are actual solutions to violent crime...if that is the goal.....reducing violent crime, rather than simply using violent crime as an excuse to ban guns......

Former federal prosecutor Tom Hogan sat down with PragerU to break down four policy changes that could rapidly reverse that trend.

  1. Target the “power few”
  2. Go after the drug dealers and gun toting felons
  3. Unite cops and prosecutors
  4. Keep the bad actors in jail
How does that address the 50% of homicides and 100% of suicides that are domestic violence.

We already lock up 2 million people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole. If locking people up were the answer, we'd be there already.

The Europeans and Japanese ban guns or limit who can own them, they lock very few people up, and they have nowhere near our crime levels.

Imagine that.

Waiting for Dick Tiny to fill the thread with NRA Spooge.
 
The democrats don't care about gun crime...in fact, high levels of gun crime help their gun banning agenda. This is one of the benefits they get by releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......more gun crime, which allows them to push gun control.....that only affects law abiding gun owners.

Here are actual solutions to violent crime...if that is the goal.....reducing violent crime, rather than simply using violent crime as an excuse to ban guns......

Former federal prosecutor Tom Hogan sat down with PragerU to break down four policy changes that could rapidly reverse that trend.

  1. Target the “power few”
  2. Go after the drug dealers and gun toting felons
  3. Unite cops and prosecutors
  4. Keep the bad actors in jail


“None of these solutions are theoretical: they’re street tested and backed by rigorous studies,” Hogan said. “They’re constitutional, and cost effective. While each one will reduce crime on its own, taken together, they can transform a city, not in decades, but within a year or two.”

Hogan first notes that violence follows predictable patterns — it usually takes place in a handful of “crime hot spots,” disproportionately on nights and weekends and during the summer. Furthermore, a very small share of offenders commit the majority of violent crimes.


“In any given city, just 5% of criminals are responsible for 50% of all violent crimes,” Hogan said. “I want to make this abundantly clear: it’s not 5% of the total population of the city … it’s 5% of the criminals.”

By focusing on these “hot spots” and getting a relative handful of serial offenders off the streets, police can have an outsized impact on violent crime.

Similarly, drug dealers and felons with illegally acquired firearms are valuable targets — not only are they career criminals themselves, but they’re also intimately connected to criminal networks that smuggle illicit goods across the country and have witnessed far more crimes than they have perpetrated. When faced with harsh sentences, they will often flip and provide valuable information on other cases in exchange for leniency.


Hogan also stresses the need for police and prosecutors to collaborate throughout the process to avoid legal slip ups or sloppy presentation of evidence.
-----

Finally, Hogan stresses the need for longer sentencing, citing two studies by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, which found that sentences in excess of five years were correlated with lower rates of recidivism.

While the intuitive understanding that the threat of longer sentences disincentivize crime is applicable, Hogan also cites the age-crime curve, a widely observed statistical phenomenon that shows that criminal aggression in males peaks in late adolescence.


“Most violent criminals commit the majority of their crimes from their late teens into their 20s,” Hogan noted.


While I don’t disagree with his ideas, they won’t solve the problem. The crime problem is cultural. The nation breeds dysfunctional young men who resort to crime because they have no other options.
 
The democrats don't care about gun crime...in fact, high levels of gun crime help their gun banning agenda. This is one of the benefits they get by releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......more gun crime, which allows them to push gun control.....that only affects law abiding gun owners.

Here are actual solutions to violent crime...if that is the goal.....reducing violent crime, rather than simply using violent crime as an excuse to ban guns......

Former federal prosecutor Tom Hogan sat down with PragerU to break down four policy changes that could rapidly reverse that trend.

  1. Target the “power few”
  2. Go after the drug dealers and gun toting felons
  3. Unite cops and prosecutors
  4. Keep the bad actors in jail


“None of these solutions are theoretical: they’re street tested and backed by rigorous studies,” Hogan said. “They’re constitutional, and cost effective. While each one will reduce crime on its own, taken together, they can transform a city, not in decades, but within a year or two.”

Hogan first notes that violence follows predictable patterns — it usually takes place in a handful of “crime hot spots,” disproportionately on nights and weekends and during the summer. Furthermore, a very small share of offenders commit the majority of violent crimes.


“In any given city, just 5% of criminals are responsible for 50% of all violent crimes,” Hogan said. “I want to make this abundantly clear: it’s not 5% of the total population of the city … it’s 5% of the criminals.”

By focusing on these “hot spots” and getting a relative handful of serial offenders off the streets, police can have an outsized impact on violent crime.

Similarly, drug dealers and felons with illegally acquired firearms are valuable targets — not only are they career criminals themselves, but they’re also intimately connected to criminal networks that smuggle illicit goods across the country and have witnessed far more crimes than they have perpetrated. When faced with harsh sentences, they will often flip and provide valuable information on other cases in exchange for leniency.


Hogan also stresses the need for police and prosecutors to collaborate throughout the process to avoid legal slip ups or sloppy presentation of evidence.
-----

Finally, Hogan stresses the need for longer sentencing, citing two studies by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, which found that sentences in excess of five years were correlated with lower rates of recidivism.

While the intuitive understanding that the threat of longer sentences disincentivize crime is applicable, Hogan also cites the age-crime curve, a widely observed statistical phenomenon that shows that criminal aggression in males peaks in late adolescence.


“Most violent criminals commit the majority of their crimes from their late teens into their 20s,” Hogan noted.


The right is focusing on drag queens yet drag queens are not the leading killer of children like firearms, why does the right ignore the real danger to children while having everyone chase after drag queens?
 
100% of suicides that are domestic violence.
This is the kind of BS that just makes me laugh at you rubes.
Classifying a suicide as "domestic violence" is a con that could only work on the deep thinkers of the left.

BTW- Japan & all European countries have much different demographics & histories than US citizens.
While we have known freedom throughout our entire history, they have been subjected to King, Emperors & totalitarianism throughout history.
A freedom loving people is naturally going to be more unruly than a population of subjects that have been ruled over throughout their history.

I'll take my freedom & the chaos that may come with it over the collectivist regression theses other countries accept as normal
 
The right is focusing on drag queens yet drag queens are not the leading killer of children like firearms, why does the right ignore the real danger to children while having everyone chase after drag queens?

I'm calling bullshit on you. In 2020, the leading cause of death among children ages one through 18 involved a firearm. There were 3,219 such deaths in 2020.

Fact-check: Are firearms the leading cause of death in children?

Meanwhile, there more than 930,000 abortions in the U.S. in 2020.

U.S. abortions rose in 2020, with about 1 in 5 pregnancies terminated

You baby-murdering liberals are the largest killer of kids, not guns.
 
I like what El Salvador just did- gather up every gang banger in the country, ship them ton a high security prison & throw away the key.
Guaranteed if you take out the gang bangers, drug dealers, serial offenders & stop adding suicides into the BS stats, our violent crime rates drop faster than Kamala hits her knees at a job interview.
Well, that saved the gangs from killing each other primarily I suspect. The best means to decrease crime is through socialization and a shift in cultural norms. Kids are raised in violence, see it on TV hear it in music, are told they have no futures...they will fullfill the prophesy others set for them.
 
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Well, that saved the gangs from killing each other primarily I suspect. The best means to decresse crime is through socialization and a shift in cultural norms. Kids are raised in violence, see it on TV hear it in music, are told they have no futures...they will fullfill the prophesy others set for them.

And who is providing all that violence kids see on TV, in the movies, and hear it in music?

That would be liberals.
 
I'm calling bullshit on you. In 2020, the leading cause of death among children ages one through 18 involved a firearm. There were 3,219 such deaths in 2020.

Fact-check: Are firearms the leading cause of death in children?

Meanwhile, there more than 930,000 abortions in the U.S. in 2020.

U.S. abortions rose in 2020, with about 1 in 5 pregnancies terminated

You baby-murdering liberals are the largest killer of kids, not guns.
This is not 2020 it is 2023, get up to date slo Joe.
 
This is not 2020 it is 2023, get up to date slo Joe.

The 2023 statistics haven't been compiled yet, but you can bet there were still over 289 times the number killed by you liberal slags and your abortion.
 
I'm calling bullshit on you. In 2020, the leading cause of death among children ages one through 18 involved a firearm. There were 3,219 such deaths in 2020.

Fact-check: Are firearms the leading cause of death in children?

Meanwhile, there more than 930,000 abortions in the U.S. in 2020.

U.S. abortions rose in 2020, with about 1 in 5 pregnancies terminated

You baby-murdering liberals are the largest killer of kids, not guns.
It is hypocritical how many on the left bemoan the 2A and advocate it’s repeal, yet fully support abortion. Their positions fully align with the ruling class establishment. The ruling class would love to remove our gun rights, to further impose tyranny. Sadly, many on the left haven’t figured this out.
 
Founding Fathers quote.......(as interpreted by modern conservatives)

"Tyranny shall rise again and good men must be prepared.......to cry about it each and every day.....and to do nothing while your children are brainwashed into being sexual deviants for the pedophile liberal left. To sit quietly and do nothing but whine while your laws are perverted and the courts become enforcement venues for those liberal policies.

To watch in helpless awe and make McCauley Caulkin faces while your borders are removed and the worlds violent trash is dumped on your doorstep.
It is your duty to do nothing as your nation becomes the laughing stock of the world and Communist countries use your constitution for toilet paper and turn your own system against you.

We The Founding Fathers Decree."


So, what's the problem here?
 
Do we conservatives control the television, movie, and music industries?

Nope. That would be you liberal piss-goblins, not us.

Apparently, looking around, conservatives control nothing today.

Easy now...I side with Conservatives, I vote with Conservatives BUT they are the most nutless, spinless, big mouth pieces of shit that ever were. Come on man...they didn’t have the balls to keep heterosexual white Christians cool in a nation founded, built, run and funded by heterosexual white Christians. The Left has owned their sackless asses for decades....Sad but true.
 
Those hundreds of millions of legal gun owners commit a minute fraction of the actual gun crimes.

Less than 1% of crime guns are acquired at gun shows, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. 5

About 2.3% of guns used in violent crime come from retail sources. 7

One study 9of adult offenders living in Chicago or nearby determined that criminals obtain most of their guns through their social network and personal connections. Rarely is the proximate source either direct purchase from a gun store, or even theft. This agrees with other, broader studies of incarcerated felons.

Another city-wide study, 10 this one in Pittsburgh, showed that 80% of people illegally carrying guns were prohibited from possessing guns, and that a minimum of 30% of the guns were stolen.

Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. 13 Most often, the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

Washington DC has essentially banned gun ownership since 1976 19 and has a murder rate of 56.9 per 100,000. Across the river in Arlington, Virginia, gun ownership is less restricted. There, the murder rate is just 1.6 per 100,000, less than three percent of the Washington, DC rate. 20

In 1982, Kennesaw, GA passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate dropped 89% the following year. 22

A survey of the top 100 police agencies for calendar year 2019 showed that at most 1.3% of crime guns were DIY guns (when outlier agencies were removed) and maybe 2% with outlier agencies included.

90% of all violent crimes in the U.S. do not involve firearms of any type. 24

Fewer than 1% of firearms will ever be used in the commission of a crime. 26

Two-thirds of the people who die each year from gunfire are criminals being shot by other criminals. 27

Cincinnati’s review of their gang problem revealed that 74% of homicides were committed by less than 1% of the population. 28

Fewer than 5% of traced guns in California, many of which were not crime guns, came from neighboring Nevada and Arizona. 33

“Saturday Night Specials” were used in fewer than 3% of crimes involving guns. 38

Only 0.8% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows. 39.2% obtained them from illegal street dealers. 40

Fewer than 1% of “crime guns” were obtained at gun shows. 41 This is a reduction from a 1997 study that found 2% of guns used in criminal offenses were purchased at gun shows. 42

The FBI concluded in one study that no firearms acquired at gun shows were used to kill police. “In contrast to media myth, none of the firearms in the study were obtained from gun shows.” 43

93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows). 46

In the drug-ridden Miami of 1980, fewer than 1% of all gun homicides were with machine guns. 63

Crime and Guns: Insights into the sources of crime guns, their use, regional/international variations, and more.
Are there people out there that can't purchase a firearm? Seems like plenty manage to do it, even in DC the restrictions don't seem too onerous:

Under District and US law, an applicant must:
  • Not stand convicted of certain weapons offenses, or a felony in this or any other jurisdiction (which includes all crimes punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year).
  • Not be under indictment for a crime of violence or a weapons offense.
  • Not be a fugitive from justice.
  • Within the previous five years:
    • Not stand convicted: (1) of a narcotics or dangerous drug offense; (2) under D.C. Official Code § 22-404 (assaults and threats) or § 22-407 (threats to do bodily harm), or a violation of a similar statute in another jurisdiction; (3) of two or more violations of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs; (4) of an intrafamily offense punishable as a misdemeanor; (5) of a misdemeanor involving certain firearms violations. (6) Stalking; or (7) violation of an Extreme Risk Protection Order.
    • Not have been acquitted of any criminal charge by reason of insanity or adjudicated a chronic alcoholic by any court.
    • Not have been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to any mental hospital or institution.
    • Not have a history of violent behavior.
    • Not have been the respondent in an intrafamily proceeding in which a civil protection order or a foreign protection order was issued against the applicant.
  • Not appear to suffer from a physical defect which would make it unsafe to possess and use a firearm safely and responsibly.
  • Not have been found negligent in any firearm mishap causing death or injury to another human being.
 

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