How to reduce violent crime, if that is the actual goal, and it doesn't involve banning guns for normal people.

[JoeB131]

Your argument is a violation of the 2nd Amendment.

The Second Amendment is about Well-Regulated Militias, not letting people compensate for tiny dicks with guns.

 

[2aguy]

The Second Amendment is about Well-Regulated Militias, not letting people compensate for tiny dicks with guns.

No...it isn't....just because you can't read or comprehend isn't our problem.

 

[Hollie]

Actually, it really doesn't.

MYTH: Gangs are responsible for most U.S. homicides - GVPedia

FACT: A 2020 study by the CDC found that 9.7% of homicides in 2017 were gang-related.

www.gvpedia.org

Contrary to Lott’s repeated claim that the U.S. has a relatively high homicide rate because of “drug gangs,” most gun homicides are not related to gang activity. According to the National Gang Center, the government agency responsible for cataloging gang violence, there was an average of fewer than 2,000 gang homicides annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the Federal Bureau of Investigation estimated an average of more than 15,500 homicides annually across the United States, indicating that gang-related homicides were approximately 13% total homicides annually. The Bureau of Justice Statistics finds the number of gang-related homicides to be even lower. In 2008, the government agency identified 960 homicides, accounting for 6% of all homicides that year.

According to the Federal Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention (OJJDP), there was a 3% increase in the number of gangs between 2010 and 2011, but gang-related homicides decreased 8% during the same period. If gang violence was truly driving the homicide rate, gang membership and gun homicide rates would move in the same direction.

A December 2020 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report of 34 states, four California counties, and Washington, D.C., found that gang-related attacks were responsible for 11.4% of male homicides and 3.6% of female homicides in 2017, for 9.7% of overall homicides. The previous year, 7.4% of all homicides were gang-related.

A 2012 CDC study examining five cities with the largest gang problems found a total of 856 gang homicides compared to 2,077 non-gang homicides from 2003–2008. Even when examining cities with the largest gang problems, gang homicides only accounted for 29% of homicides. Contrary to Lott’s claim that the illegal drug trade is fueling US gun violence, the study also says “the proportion of gang homicides resulting from drug trade/use or with other crimes in progress was consistently low in the five cities, ranging from zero to 25 percent.”

Actually, Gang shootings and criminal activity accounts for a lot of the gun crimes which is supported by the link you posted.

Try paying attention. I wrote, “Gang shootings and criminal activity accounts for a lot of the gun crimes.”

See how that works?



On the other hand, leftist gun fetishists still insist that banning / grabbing guns from the law abiding public will fix the gun crime problem leftist gun fetishists create.

It should seem to be common sense that when criminals are to allowed to commit crimes with little regard for consequences, crime will continue. Let’s not make any mistake as to which political party is allowing criminals to avoid consequences for their crimes.

Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America

In the wake of the tragic murder of 17 innocent students and teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, students, educators, politicians, and activists are searching for solutions to prevent future school shootings. As emotions morph from grief to anger to resolve, it...

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Here are eight stubborn facts to keep in mind about gun violence in America:

1. Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades.
2. The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings.
3. A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.
4. Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people.
5. Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.
6. There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.
7. Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.
8. Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Second Amendment is about Well-Regulated Militias, not letting people compensate for tiny dicks with guns.

Your interpretation is wrong. Check with the courts.

 

[Hollie]

The Second Amendment is about Well-Regulated Militias, not letting people compensate for tiny dicks with guns.

I’m surprised, you being a noted legal scholar and all, got the above so laughably wrong.

You will be a good candidate for a Biden judicial appointment. Those appointees also get legal matters laughably wrong.

 

[alang1216]

Enforce the laws that are already on the books forbidding felons from possessing firearms. Then jail the ones who violate those laws for long times. If they are in jail, they can't possess guns that they aren't supposed to have and can't commit any other crimes. It's a win-win.

So there is no way to prevent anyone, whatever their state of mind, from getting a gun UNTIL they become a felon?

 

[alang1216]

Self defense is a human Right, our constitution codifies the Right to own the tools for self defense.

Some people who have abused, or are likely to abuse their rights, lose those rights.

 

[alang1216]

You believe, for some reason, licensing will reduce the number of people shot each year.
This is fallacy as...
-A license does not make it less likely someone will shoot you, and will not prevent them from doing so.
-People w/o licenses will still get guns.

Never mind the fact the requirement for a person to have a license just to own a gun violates the constitution.

Your legal assessment of Constitutional law aside, I disagree that requiring guns to be registered and requiring the owners to show they know how to handle a gun is not useful. It is not a silver bullet (ha ha) but it is useful.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Your legal assessment of Constitutional law aside,...

You can;t just ignore the constitution.

I disagree that requiring guns to be registered and requiring the owners to show they know how to handle a gun is not useful.

Useful.... for what?
How do you know?

 

[M14 Shooter]

So there is no way to prevent anyone, whatever their state of mind, from getting a gun UNTIL they become a felon?

There is no way to prevent anyone, whatever, their state of mind, from committing murder -- why do you think you can prevent them from getting a gun?

 

[alang1216]

You can;t just ignore the constitution.

I can ignore your interpretation of it.

Useful.... for what?
How do you know?

Having fewer gun deaths, assaults, suicides, etc. Compare us to countries that have stricter gun laws.

 

[alang1216]

There is no way to prevent anyone, whatever, their state of mind, from committing murder -- why do you think you can prevent them from getting a gun?

I think the harder it is to commit murder the fewer murders there will be. Seems logical and fits with what I know of people.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I can ignore your interpretation of it.

Not if you want to pass your restrictions into law.

Having fewer gun deaths, assaults, suicides, etc.

Why do you think the registration of guns and the licensing of gun owners will bring these things?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I think the harder it is to commit murder the fewer murders there will be. Seems logical and fits with what I know of people.

You didn't answer the question.
There is no way to prevent anyone, whatever, their state of mind, from committing murder -- why do you think you can prevent them from getting a gun?

 

[alang1216]

Not if you want to pass your restrictions into law.

If you mean today, you're right. If you mean in the future, maybe.

Why do you think the registration of guns and the licensing of gun owners will bring these things?

Seems logical and fits with what I know of people.

 

[2aguy]

Some people who have abused, or are likely to abuse their rights, lose those rights.

And? Some people who commit rape, robbery, murder....lose those Rights thru due process of law......your point?

 

[2aguy]

So there is no way to prevent anyone, whatever their state of mind, from getting a gun UNTIL they become a felon?

Why would there be? They have done nothing wrong up to that point...right?

There is no way, whatever their state of mind, to prevent someone from committing violent rape and torture, and murder ...until they do it.......right?

So again.....what is your point?

We do not have Pre-crime in this country.....I know you want it....or at least the ability to use it to target people you don't like....but we don't have it....

 

[2aguy]

Your legal assessment of Constitutional law aside, I disagree that requiring guns to be registered and requiring the owners to show they know how to handle a gun is not useful. It is not a silver bullet (ha ha) but it is useful.

Criminals don't do either one......repeat criminals, people who have been captured by police over and over again, then released over and over again, by democrat party prosecutors, judges and politicians, are doing almost all of our shootings.....they do not register their guns...and are not required to register their guns by law.....Haynes v United States Supreme Court ruling.......and again...you guys liked poll taxes when they were used to keep blacks from voting, so training requirements, like poll taxes, would simply be used to deny people the ability to exercise their Right...

 

[2aguy]

I can ignore your interpretation of it.


Having fewer gun deaths, assaults, suicides, etc. Compare us to countries that have stricter gun laws.

Let us compare.....

Europe began registering, banning and confiscating guns in the 1920s......by the mid 1930s the socialists in Germany began the process of murdering 15 million innocent men, women and children....more people than gun criminals murdered in our entire 246 year history..S

Sooo....Europe has us out done with murder.........in just 6 years, 15 million murdered after registering, banning and confiscating guns.......

About 2,460,000 million murdered with guns in our entire 246 year history.....

There....compared to Europe, Russia, China.....we don't even come close....

 

[AZrailwhale]

Your legal assessment of Constitutional law aside, I disagree that requiring guns to be registered and requiring the owners to show they know how to handle a gun is not useful. It is not a silver bullet (ha ha) but it is useful.

How are you going to enforce that on the criminals who commit the vast majority of gun violence? The courts have already ruled that you can't force a felon to register his gun since it's self-incrimination.