How To Negotiate With Terrorists: Figure Out Clearly What It Is They Want

[RandallFlagg]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

Some people think you can always fix any problem by TALKING. That is NOT the case.
When someone is so radical that they want you dead because you exist, breathe, and refuse to give up everything you beleive in, to include free will / choice, you will not be able to change their mind through any amount of talk.

They want you dead because your ilk has murdered their families, destroyed their country's infrastructures , their employers, ad nauseam

I understand that you don't want to believe that the US is not a continuing criminal enterprise, but it is.


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Wow...then tell us - why the hell do you stick around?

 

[Contumacious]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

Some people think you can always fix any problem by TALKING. That is NOT the case.
When someone is so radical that they want you dead because you exist, breathe, and refuse to give up everything you beleive in, to include free will / choice, you will not be able to change their mind through any amount of talk.

They want you dead because your ilk has murdered their families, destroyed their country's infrastructures , their employers, ad nauseam

I understand that you don't want to believe that the US is not a continuing criminal enterprise, but it is.


.

Wow...then tell us - why the hell do you stick around?

For the same reason Patrick Henry and the other Founding Fathers did.

Restore freedom and capitalism . Don't let the socialist son of bitches run you out.

.

 

[HUGGY]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

There is no solution. That possibility does not exist. The problem doesn't exist.

On the other hand..the one that holds onto reality ...terrorism is almost nothing.

The media is the largest component of the act of terror. Without the media no one but a handful would be afraid.

How many average Americans have died at the hands of foreign nationals coming here and killing us? Probably nearly the same that have died from bee stings or being struck by lightning.

But...But... what about Paris and Brussels? Hey wake up! The Europeans have poisoned their own well.

The world should have learned something from 9/11. Simple. Keep track of those that immigrate from places like Syria. The do not do that very well and they pay for it.

We do a better job of it and suffer few incidents of terrorism here in the US from foreigners.

We have a lot more trouble with mentally ill people getting a hold of guns.

Seriously. We get the terror thrown in our faces by the TV. Why is that? Because we suck it up like mothers milk.

The media plays the same tired videos over and over sometimes for over a week.


35 killed in Belgium. In the world how many do you think died last week? 10,000? 100,000? More? How many of those people that died were any more or less dead than the 35 in Belgium? How many of those that died were thanking their lucky stars they were not dying from a terrorist attack?

You people are fools!

News flash! You will not live forever. Less than one in a million will die because of terror.

In the last 20 years or so around 4000 have died from terror here in the US. In the same period more than half a million have died in car crashes.

Will someone please explain to me how much worse it is to be blown up or shot by the hands of a foreign terrorist than in a mangled burning car by a drunk US citizen.

 

[Contumacious]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

There is no solution. That possibility does not exist. The problem doesn't exist.

On the other hand..the one that holds onto reality ...terrorism is almost nothing.

The media is the largest component of the act of terror. Without the media no one but a handful would be afraid.

How many average Americans have died at the hands of foreign nationals coming here and killing us? Probably nearly the same that have died from bee stings or being struck by lightning.

But...But... what about Paris and Brussels? Hey wake up! The Europeans have poisoned their own well.

The world should have learned something from 9/11. Simple. Keep track of those that immigrate from places like Syria. The do not do that very well and they pay for it.

We do a better job of it and suffer few incidents of terrorism here in the US from foreigners.

We have a lot more trouble with mentally ill people getting a hold of guns.

Seriously. We get the terror thrown in our faces by the TV. Why is that? Because we suck it up like mothers milk.

The media plays the same tired videos over and over sometimes for over a week.


35 killed in Belgium. In the world how many do you think died last week? 10,000? 100,000? More? How many of those people that died were any more or less dead than the 35 in Belgium? How many of those that died were thanking their lucky stars they were not dying from a terrorist attack?

You people are fools!

News flash! You will not live forever. Less than one in a million will die because of terror.

In the last 20 years or so around 4000 have died from terror here in the US. In the same period more than half a million have died in car crashes.

Will someone please explain to me how much worse it is to be blown up or shot by the hands of a foreign terrorist than in a mangled burning car by a drunk US citizen.

But there IS a solution.

Dissolve the Jewish State

The US should stop financing the Palestinian Holocaust.

The US should STOP meddling in the internal affairs of other nations.

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[HUGGY]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

There is no solution. That possibility does not exist. The problem doesn't exist.

On the other hand..the one that holds onto reality ...terrorism is almost nothing.

The media is the largest component of the act of terror. Without the media no one but a handful would be afraid.

How many average Americans have died at the hands of foreign nationals coming here and killing us? Probably nearly the same that have died from bee stings or being struck by lightning.

But...But... what about Paris and Brussels? Hey wake up! The Europeans have poisoned their own well.

The world should have learned something from 9/11. Simple. Keep track of those that immigrate from places like Syria. The do not do that very well and they pay for it.

We do a better job of it and suffer few incidents of terrorism here in the US from foreigners.

We have a lot more trouble with mentally ill people getting a hold of guns.

Seriously. We get the terror thrown in our faces by the TV. Why is that? Because we suck it up like mothers milk.

The media plays the same tired videos over and over sometimes for over a week.


35 killed in Belgium. In the world how many do you think died last week? 10,000? 100,000? More? How many of those people that died were any more or less dead than the 35 in Belgium? How many of those that died were thanking their lucky stars they were not dying from a terrorist attack?

You people are fools!

News flash! You will not live forever. Less than one in a million will die because of terror.

In the last 20 years or so around 4000 have died from terror here in the US. In the same period more than half a million have died in car crashes.

Will someone please explain to me how much worse it is to be blown up or shot by the hands of a foreign terrorist than in a mangled burning car by a drunk US citizen.

But there IS a solution.

Dissolve the Jewish State

The US should stop financing the Palestinian Holocaust.

The US should STOP meddling in the internal affairs of other nations.

.

Why don't we just dissolve our relationship with Israel? We don't use Mideast Oil anyway. That lie has been dissolved.

Just stop meddling in the affairs of "those" countries. In fact I would bar any commerce with countries that behead other human beings or stone them to death.

We don't NEED to deal with these ingrates. If Israel thinks it is a good idea to operate a civilized country among these savages well...that's on them.

 

[Silhouette]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

There is no solution. That possibility does not exist. The problem doesn't exist...On the other hand..the one that holds onto reality ...terrorism is almost nothing...The media is the largest component of the act of terror. Without the media no one but a handful would be afraid...

The media and the internet do exist. And, living in fear is no life at all. So those are the parameters of reality that we can begin discussing things from ...speaking of "holding onto reality".

The simple fact is this. The arabs are pissed off that we have encroached on their oil, their real estate and their culture with our escalating depraved one piped through the airways.

We escalate the depravity and the hubris and the encroachment...and then so they...back and forth...back and forth...back and forth... That's the cycle that needs to be broken. I've offered up my ideas in the OP.

The reason I suspect you say that no solution exists is because you are either invested in oil-theft from the ME or in the smut industry. I could be wrong. But those would be the posters opposed to a solution most suspect: the ones who know EXACTLY why the arabs are pissed off but who love the money coming in from pissing them off. You say "to hell with everyone else; who cares about living in fear!" "It's the media's fault". That's like blaming the policeman who took the report and wrote it down of a robbery that just occurred. "Who cares about robbery? It's the police's fault for scaring everyone with their reports!" "Only a tiny fraction of people are being held at gunpoint and robbed!"

 

[Contumacious]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

There is no solution. That possibility does not exist. The problem doesn't exist.

On the other hand..the one that holds onto reality ...terrorism is almost nothing.

The media is the largest component of the act of terror. Without the media no one but a handful would be afraid.

How many average Americans have died at the hands of foreign nationals coming here and killing us? Probably nearly the same that have died from bee stings or being struck by lightning.

But...But... what about Paris and Brussels? Hey wake up! The Europeans have poisoned their own well.

The world should have learned something from 9/11. Simple. Keep track of those that immigrate from places like Syria. The do not do that very well and they pay for it.

We do a better job of it and suffer few incidents of terrorism here in the US from foreigners.

We have a lot more trouble with mentally ill people getting a hold of guns.

Seriously. We get the terror thrown in our faces by the TV. Why is that? Because we suck it up like mothers milk.

The media plays the same tired videos over and over sometimes for over a week.


35 killed in Belgium. In the world how many do you think died last week? 10,000? 100,000? More? How many of those people that died were any more or less dead than the 35 in Belgium? How many of those that died were thanking their lucky stars they were not dying from a terrorist attack?

You people are fools!

News flash! You will not live forever. Less than one in a million will die because of terror.

In the last 20 years or so around 4000 have died from terror here in the US. In the same period more than half a million have died in car crashes.

Will someone please explain to me how much worse it is to be blown up or shot by the hands of a foreign terrorist than in a mangled burning car by a drunk US citizen.

But there IS a solution.

Dissolve the Jewish State

The US should stop financing the Palestinian Holocaust.

The US should STOP meddling in the internal affairs of other nations.

.

Why don't we just dissolve our relationship with Israel? We don't use Mideast Oil anyway. That lie has been dissolved.

Just stop meddling in the affairs of "those" countries. In fact I would bar any commerce with countries that behead other human beings or stone them to death.

We don't NEED to deal with these ingrates. If Israel thinks it is a good idea to operate a civilized country among these savages well...that's on them.

They became "savages" when Harry S Truman threw 1.5 million Palestinians under the bus so that he could defeat Dewey. 1.5 Million Palestinians became foreigners in their own land in 1949

Wouln't that make you a savage too?


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[Jarlaxle]

Indeed. I don't give a shit "what they want". Unlike liberals - I couldn't care less. Root them out and kill them all. if it takes a generation, I don't care. Where the hell is Georgie Patton when we need him?

Well you'd care if they blew up a terminal you were waiting in line at...randomly...with there being no way of you predicting what, where or when they'd strike next as they ESCALATE their appeal to each new successive generation of widely-distributed, testosterone infused aimless recruits.

So, again, ask them what they want. Get them to enunciate it. Directly and comprehensively from the Koran. I mean, do I have to spell this out?

Then kill them all, to the last man, woman, and child.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The only way to deal with these animals is to crush their bones and kill

As many as possible

They feel the same way, only they have more money than you and more of them than you, and they're spread all around the world while your "army" chases its ass around trying to see where the mole will pop up next.

It's kind of silly, your position. It is inoperable within the confines of the present reality.

Hardly...the problem is that nobody has the stones to actually do what is required to eradicate ISIS.

 

[Jarlaxle]

So how many American lives should we lose to go into the Middle East and 'route' out all of the terrorists?

None...not one single American should be there. Simply blanket every square inch with nerve gas.

 

[Silhouette]

None...not one single American should be there. Simply blanket every square inch with nerve gas.

^^ You're part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

Some people think you can always fix any problem by TALKING. That is NOT the case.
When someone is so radical that they want you dead because you exist, breathe, and refuse to give up everything you beleive in, to include free will / choice, you will not be able to change their mind through any amount of talk.

They want you dead because your ilk has murdered their families, destroyed their country's infrastructures , their employers, ad nauseam

I understand that you don't want to believe that the US is not a continuing criminal enterprise, but it is.


.

Wow...then tell us - why the hell do you stick around?

For the same reason Patrick Henry and the other Founding Fathers did.

Restore freedom and capitalism . Don't let the socialist son of bitches run you out.

.

So - you willing to die for your cause? That's what I thought.

 

[Silhouette]

Back and forth go the extremes. Let's start by asking the extremist muslims to line out what it is they're after, in details..

 

[Contumacious]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

Some people think you can always fix any problem by TALKING. That is NOT the case.
When someone is so radical that they want you dead because you exist, breathe, and refuse to give up everything you beleive in, to include free will / choice, you will not be able to change their mind through any amount of talk.

They want you dead because your ilk has murdered their families, destroyed their country's infrastructures , their employers, ad nauseam

I understand that you don't want to believe that the US is not a continuing criminal enterprise, but it is.


.

Wow...then tell us - why the hell do you stick around?

For the same reason Patrick Henry and the other Founding Fathers did.

Restore freedom and capitalism . Don't let the socialist son of bitches run you out.

.

So - you willing to die for your cause? That's what I thought.

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

George S Patton,Gen, USA


In Your case die for socialism and Comrade Sanders

 

[RandallFlagg]

Some people think you can always fix any problem by TALKING. That is NOT the case.
When someone is so radical that they want you dead because you exist, breathe, and refuse to give up everything you beleive in, to include free will / choice, you will not be able to change their mind through any amount of talk.

They want you dead because your ilk has murdered their families, destroyed their country's infrastructures , their employers, ad nauseam

I understand that you don't want to believe that the US is not a continuing criminal enterprise, but it is.


.

Wow...then tell us - why the hell do you stick around?

For the same reason Patrick Henry and the other Founding Fathers did.

Restore freedom and capitalism . Don't let the socialist son of bitches run you out.

.

So - you willing to die for your cause? That's what I thought.

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

George S Patton,Gen, USA


In Your case die for socialism and Comrade Sanders

You're funny...I've fought for my country. Made several men die for their country. You?

Oh, and by the way - "Comrade Sanders" can kiss my ass.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Back and forth go the extremes. Let's start by asking the extremist muslims to line out what it is they're after, in details..

So, let's, for example, say the terrorists sat down with your dumb ass, and they agreed to NOT kill you if you convert (IF you are a Christian). Would you deny Christ and convert? Because, that's what they want, for the thirty- thousandth time. That's ALL they want.

 

[HUGGY]

Getting down to the weeds is what solutions are all about. I assume you're interested in a solution to the problem?

There is no solution. That possibility does not exist. The problem doesn't exist...On the other hand..the one that holds onto reality ...terrorism is almost nothing...The media is the largest component of the act of terror. Without the media no one but a handful would be afraid...

The media and the internet do exist. And, living in fear is no life at all. So those are the parameters of reality that we can begin discussing things from ...speaking of "holding onto reality".

The simple fact is this. The arabs are pissed off that we have encroached on their oil, their real estate and their culture with our escalating depraved one piped through the airways.

We escalate the depravity and the hubris and the encroachment...and then so they...back and forth...back and forth...back and forth... That's the cycle that needs to be broken. I've offered up my ideas in the OP.

The reason I suspect you say that no solution exists is because you are either invested in oil-theft from the ME or in the smut industry. I could be wrong. But those would be the posters opposed to a solution most suspect: the ones who know EXACTLY why the arabs are pissed off but who love the money coming in from pissing them off. You say "to hell with everyone else; who cares about living in fear!" "It's the media's fault". That's like blaming the policeman who took the report and wrote it down of a robbery that just occurred. "Who cares about robbery? It's the police's fault for scaring everyone with their reports!" "Only a tiny fraction of people are being held at gunpoint and robbed!"

I have nothing to gain from the ME and contrary to how the various invasions have been sold to the American public none of has had any vested interest except arms dealers and those with more loyalty to Israel than America. Originally we anchored ourselves into Turkey to establish listening posts to spy on the USSR with the thought we would some day install missiles in that country. We took the meddling into Iran and our CIA managed to get a fairly elected president overthrown and we installed the Shaw. The reason why the students took our CIA operation personnel hostages was because of us meddling in their elections. The students didn't really have any power so the Ayatollahs took over in Iran and eventually gave back the hostages.

Iraq had a powerful leader in Saddam Hussein mostly because we armed him to the teeth. When he discovered that the thieving Kuaittis were cross drilling under the border into Iraqi oil pools he asked permission to invade Kuait and exact repayment for the stolen oil. Our ambassador to Iraq gave him permission so he set out to invade believing it was all agreed to by his American puppet masters. So Bush I attacked Saddam based on a pack of lies. later his idiot son brow beat America and congress into invading Iraq again based on out right lies he harbored 9/11 terrorists and was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction. All lies.

So yes I see the problems in the ME as way past reconciliation. Many Americans would rather believe that we have no culpability and the reason the Arabs hate us is that they are jealous of how we live. They want to tell you that Muslims all want to take over the planet. Poppycock!

Me? I know what I know because I payed attention when the above was all happening. I'm closer to 70 than 60 and do not listen to any extreme media venues. It amazes me how easily some Americans brains are washed clean of and guilt and responsibility in these issues.

Yes, I look at the stats and find them comforting. Even with all the reasons the Arabs have to hate us there is very little they can do about it.

You guys can ogle Muslims if you want...I will just keep my head on a swivel looking for drunk drivers and lately idiots texting and handling their phones and other distractions when they are driving.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Back and forth go the extremes. Let's start by asking the extremist muslims to line out what it is they're after, in details..

It's no secret: all non-Muslims either dead or subservient to their worldwide caliphate.

 

[asaratis]

Other than allowing posters to take one side or the other, this thread is useless. The initial posit is that terrorists are open to negotiation. Not so.

Terrorists have a MINDSET. (Look that up.)

Their minds are SET. (Look that up.)

There is no viable way to successfully negotiate with a group that embraces a mindset.

They only way to stop terrorists from indiscriminately killing innocent people is to discriminately kill them off. Identify and kill them. There's no need in trying to "bring them to justice" as the bleeding heart liberals would have us do. There is no sense in incarcerating them for years and then releasing them. That will only strengthen their mindset.

The mindset of radical Islam has existed and been procreated for over a THOUSAND YEARS! It will not go away until we...

Kill All radical Muslims...and their children!

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..

Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"

Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"

Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.

I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?

Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.

I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.

Isis wants world domination. They want the whole world to be Muslim. There is no negotiating with Isis.

You can negotiate with al queda or the Taliban but not Isis.

Can you tell us what they want?