How To Negotiate With Terrorists: Figure Out Clearly What It Is They Want

[Silhouette]

Back and forth go the extremes. Let's start by asking the extremist muslims to line out what it is they're after, in details..

So, let's, for example, say the terrorists sat down with your dumb ass, and they agreed to NOT kill you if you convert (IF you are a Christian). Would you deny Christ and convert? Because, that's what they want, for the thirty- thousandth time. That's ALL they want.

Tiny Hands would tell you that the art of the deal is to start out asking for way more than you're willing to settle for in the end. That way, when the other side "shaves you down" and meets you in the middle, you actually got what you were after in the first place. Short book really "The Art of the Deal". Could've written it all in one page.

Anyway, yes, Islamic extremists would ask all of us to convert and denounce. That of course wouldn't be up for bargaining away. But other things could be. Like our pumping smut through the airwaves all over the world, or just our depraved laws being revised. We could withdraw from encroachment on ME oil and sovereign lands.

You could still be a Christian as you withdrew depraved legislation and created new FCC rules for depravity broadcasts, and while you were withdrawing Blackwater's toehold in the ME. That would be "the art of the deal". But we can't start haggling with them if we don't invite them to the table.

Besides, if you read my posts you'll notice that part of the invitation to the table includes their briefing themselves on their specific demands. My requirement would be they read the Koran from cover to cover twice before they came to the table. In the end it would become clear to all men that no matter who their messiah is, be it Jesus or Muhammad or Buddha etc., these messiahs are but messengers all of the same Message.

Jesus reminded us not to worship him, but "My Father in Heaven" instead. Muhammad was so adamant about this identical message that he forbade even the depiction of his earthly form so as to not distract from what was actually important. Both men were admitting they were just men, albeit very enlightened ones and clearer conduits for "God" "Allah" which are the same thing. In fact wasn't Jesus' message supposed to be that even if you're a man like him, you can rise above that and become godly (with a small "g")? I'm pretty sure that was Jesus' one-page "Art of the Deal" if you had to condense the Bible down to just one page.

I'm not sure what Muhammad said about people hanging on his every word as if he himself was Allah. But given that he insisted people not depict him in the flesh, one has to wonder if that wasn't the same as him saying "look, there may be some things I represent that aren't 100% godly, so look to Allah instead. I'm an empty shell, a messenger, a flawed being like all of you who is telling you there's another way". Like I said, I don't know. I haven't studied the Koran enough to know if Muhammad fancied himself an infallible god or a flawed being like the rest of us?

Well, it's Easter so there's my Easter sermon...lol..

Revelation 19:10

At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

If I had to create a unifying world religion or at least one that bound Islam to Christianity, I would substitute the word "Jesus" with the word "your divine prophet" or "your messiah". See how they're the same message? I think, this is why Muhammad insisted on not being depicted in the flesh. Revelation 19:10 could just as easily be a statement from Muhammad. The Law of Prophets (any of them, take your pick, because there have been many) is "Never substitute yourself or your words between God/Allah and the men and women you're addressing".

In fact I believe that, if memory serves, Muhammad came along later to correct the issue of people worshiping Jesus "as God" (capital G). Then in utter irony, the Islamic extremists have worshiped Muhammad instead of Allah by hanging on the words (just some, the ones that suit their current agenda but not all) of the messenger instead of their deeper meaning. It is nearly one and the same as the Islamic extremists drawing pictures of their human interpretation of what their Prophet looked like. I'm pretty sure one of the commandments filtered through Muhammad was not "pick and choose what you want to hear from my message and ignore the rest as you like".

But then again they've justified jihad because of the extremes in pre-existence in the West. So this is why we need to get them to the negotiating table. We all need to stop, take stock of where we have gone wrong, and make adjustments...which will require sacrifices on both sides of the table.

I personally think that they could give up their addiction to power via terrorizing and bombing if we gave up our addiction to controlling their oil and influencing their children to depravity. That would be one great deal for everyone I'd think. Nobody has to renounce Allah. Nobody has to renounce Christianity because really they're one and the same thing. Seems the devil has gotten into both sublime messages. Figures. That asshole is always getting up to that.. He is always pitting men's weaknesses and addictions against each other by turning weakness into "a new religion" and then declaring "Jihad!" on other new religions based on weaknesses. This is why at the negotiating table we could discuss our common strengths which at their base is a basic morality and regard for a Sublime message greater than our fleshy addictions.

 

[asaratis]

Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..

Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"

Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"

Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.

I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?

Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.

I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.

Isis wants world domination. They want the whole world to be Muslim. There is no negotiating with Isis.

You can negotiate with al queda or the Taliban but not Isis.

Can you tell us what they want?

I think they want a police state wherein they carry all of the guns and exist off of the efforts of everyone else. There was a few months ago a journalist who was allowed into ISIS territory to film selected scenes and supposedly happy citizens in outdoor markets...all the while being escorted by hooded men in black holding automatic weapons. ISIS allowed this in order to show the world what a peaceful, happy lifestyle exists under their rule.

What they didn't allow was the filming of men being drowned in wire cages, men having their heads amputated, woman being raped, young girls being used as sex slaves and God knows what all else these savage pigs do to people in order to instill fear in the survivors.

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..

Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"

Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"

Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.

I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?

Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.

I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.

Isis wants world domination. They want the whole world to be Muslim. There is no negotiating with Isis.

You can negotiate with al queda or the Taliban but not Isis.

Can you tell us what they want?

I think they want a police state wherein they carry all of the guns and exist off of the efforts of everyone else. There was a few months ago a journalist who was allowed into ISIS territory to film selected scenes and supposedly happy citizens in outdoor markets...all the while being escorted by hooded men in black holding automatic weapons. ISIS allowed this in order to show the world what a peaceful, happy lifestyle exists under their rule.

What they didn't allow was the filming of men being drowned in wire cages, men having their heads amputated, woman being raped, young girls being used as sex slaves and God knows what all else these savage pigs do to people in order to instill fear in the survivors.

What sheep these people must be. We faught the English because they taxed our tea.

 

[Silhouette]

I think they want a police state wherein they carry all of the guns and exist off of the efforts of everyone else. There was a few months ago a journalist who was allowed into ISIS territory to film selected scenes and supposedly happy citizens in outdoor markets...all the while being escorted by hooded men in black holding automatic weapons. ISIS allowed this in order to show the world what a peaceful, happy lifestyle exists under their rule.

What they didn't allow was the filming of men being drowned in wire cages, men having their heads amputated, woman being raped, young girls being used as sex slaves and God knows what all else these savage pigs do to people in order to instill fear in the survivors.

Look, once the devil gets men hooked on diversions from the True Message, all manner of depravity waltzes through the door. How different really is the scenario you just described from glib scenes piped out from Hollywood about "gay couples and their happy well-adjusted kids" while behind the scenes they're drugging them for "sex change" operations? If you think the thugs of GLAAD are any less repulsive morally than the ones wearing hoods in ISIS, think again. GLAAD may not be chopping off heads, but they will ruin careers I've heard if they don't walk lockstep to this perversion depriving children of both a mother and father, and preserving their gender and sex organs as born. Perhaps with enough time, power and weapons, GLAAD will be chopping off people's heads literally. For now it's just figuratively.

A child being drugged to addle his mind to influence himself to chop off his own genitals later is also a sex-slave of someone else's perverse influence. Boy Drugged By Lesbian "Parents" To Be A Girl

The devil, once it gets its stranglehold, has its puppets use fear to control others into submission. Manufactured fear is manufactured fear. That is the true perversion. The different recipes for it are tit for tat in the Big Picture.. Just as misguided as the lesbians drugging the boy to hack off his genitals, so are the ISIS terrorists for thinking they're going to heaven with 1,000 virgins or whatever. The devil whispers in their ear..."yeah, just do THIS and you'll get 1,000 virgins when you die and you'll go to Heaven!...I promissssssssssssss" *forked tongue vibrating full-extension*... The devil is a convincing, sneaky, smooth talking asshole. Like I said. If you want to see a version of him on a observational scale, just go to a used car lot and visit with a salesman there. He'll convince you with a warm smile & a firm handshake that every car on that lot will drive you straight up the stairway to heaven.. *shudder*...

 

[Contumacious]

They want you dead because your ilk has murdered their families, destroyed their country's infrastructures , their employers, ad nauseam

I understand that you don't want to believe that the US is not a continuing criminal enterprise, but it is.


.

Wow...then tell us - why the hell do you stick around?

For the same reason Patrick Henry and the other Founding Fathers did.

Restore freedom and capitalism . Don't let the socialist son of bitches run you out.

.

So - you willing to die for your cause? That's what I thought.

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

George S Patton,Gen, USA


In Your case die for socialism and Comrade Sanders

You're funny...I've fought for my country. Made several men die for their country. You?

Oh, and by the way - "Comrade Sanders" can kiss my ass.

Really

If you speak like a berner, walk like a berner.........

 

[RandallFlagg]

Wow...then tell us - why the hell do you stick around?

For the same reason Patrick Henry and the other Founding Fathers did.

Restore freedom and capitalism . Don't let the socialist son of bitches run you out.

.

So - you willing to die for your cause? That's what I thought.

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

George S Patton,Gen, USA


In Your case die for socialism and Comrade Sanders

You're funny...I've fought for my country. Made several men die for their country. You?

Oh, and by the way - "Comrade Sanders" can kiss my ass.

Really

If you speak like a berner, walk like a berner.........

And that's the best you have? Just as I thought...

 

[RandallFlagg]

Back and forth go the extremes. Let's start by asking the extremist muslims to line out what it is they're after, in details..

So, let's, for example, say the terrorists sat down with your dumb ass, and they agreed to NOT kill you if you convert (IF you are a Christian). Would you deny Christ and convert? Because, that's what they want, for the thirty- thousandth time. That's ALL they want.

Tiny Hands would tell you that the art of the deal is to start out asking for way more than you're willing to settle for in the end. That way, when the other side "shaves you down" and meets you in the middle, you actually got what you were after in the first place. Short book really "The Art of the Deal". Could've written it all in one page.

Anyway, yes, Islamic extremists would ask all of us to convert and denounce. That of course wouldn't be up for bargaining away. But other things could be. Like our pumping smut through the airwaves all over the world, or just our depraved laws being revised. We could withdraw from encroachment on ME oil and sovereign lands.

You could still be a Christian as you withdrew depraved legislation and created new FCC rules for depravity broadcasts, and while you were withdrawing Blackwater's toehold in the ME. That would be "the art of the deal". But we can't start haggling with them if we don't invite them to the table.

Besides, if you read my posts you'll notice that part of the invitation to the table includes their briefing themselves on their specific demands. My requirement would be they read the Koran from cover to cover twice before they came to the table. In the end it would become clear to all men that no matter who their messiah is, be it Jesus or Muhammad or Buddha etc., these messiahs are but messengers all of the same Message.

Jesus reminded us not to worship him, but "My Father in Heaven" instead. Muhammad was so adamant about this identical message that he forbade even the depiction of his earthly form so as to not distract from what was actually important. Both men were admitting they were just men, albeit very enlightened ones and clearer conduits for "God" "Allah" which are the same thing. In fact wasn't Jesus' message supposed to be that even if you're a man like him, you can rise above that and become godly (with a small "g")? I'm pretty sure that was Jesus' one-page "Art of the Deal" if you had to condense the Bible down to just one page.

I'm not sure what Muhammad said about people hanging on his every word as if he himself was Allah. But given that he insisted people not depict him in the flesh, one has to wonder if that wasn't the same as him saying "look, there may be some things I represent that aren't 100% godly, so look to Allah instead. I'm an empty shell, a messenger, a flawed being like all of you who is telling you there's another way". Like I said, I don't know. I haven't studied the Koran enough to know if Muhammad fancied himself an infallible god or a flawed being like the rest of us?

Well, it's Easter so there's my Easter sermon...lol..

Revelation 19:10

At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

If I had to create a unifying world religion or at least one that bound Islam to Christianity, I would substitute the word "Jesus" with the word "your divine prophet" or "your messiah". See how they're the same message? I think, this is why Muhammad insisted on not being depicted in the flesh. Revelation 19:10 could just as easily be a statement from Muhammad. The Law of Prophets (any of them, take your pick, because there have been many) is "Never substitute yourself or your words between God/Allah and the men and women you're addressing".

In fact I believe that, if memory serves, Muhammad came along later to correct the issue of people worshiping Jesus "as God" (capital G). Then in utter irony, the Islamic extremists have worshiped Muhammad instead of Allah by hanging on the words (just some, the ones that suit their current agenda but not all) of the messenger instead of their deeper meaning. It is nearly one and the same as the Islamic extremists drawing pictures of their human interpretation of what their Prophet looked like. I'm pretty sure one of the commandments filtered through Muhammad was not "pick and choose what you want to hear from my message and ignore the rest as you like".

But then again they've justified jihad because of the extremes in pre-existence in the West. So this is why we need to get them to the negotiating table. We all need to stop, take stock of where we have gone wrong, and make adjustments...which will require sacrifices on both sides of the table.

I personally think that they could give up their addiction to power via terrorizing and bombing if we gave up our addiction to controlling their oil and influencing their children to depravity. That would be one great deal for everyone I'd think. Nobody has to renounce Allah. Nobody has to renounce Christianity because really they're one and the same thing. Seems the devil has gotten into both sublime messages. Figures. That asshole is always getting up to that.. He is always pitting men's weaknesses and addictions against each other by turning weakness into "a new religion" and then declaring "Jihad!" on other new religions based on weaknesses. This is why at the negotiating table we could discuss our common strengths which at their base is a basic morality and regard for a Sublime message greater than our fleshy addictions.

Oh brother...

 

[sealybobo]

I think they want a police state wherein they carry all of the guns and exist off of the efforts of everyone else. There was a few months ago a journalist who was allowed into ISIS territory to film selected scenes and supposedly happy citizens in outdoor markets...all the while being escorted by hooded men in black holding automatic weapons. ISIS allowed this in order to show the world what a peaceful, happy lifestyle exists under their rule.

What they didn't allow was the filming of men being drowned in wire cages, men having their heads amputated, woman being raped, young girls being used as sex slaves and God knows what all else these savage pigs do to people in order to instill fear in the survivors.

Look, once the devil gets men hooked on diversions from the True Message, all manner of depravity waltzes through the door. How different really is the scenario you just described from glib scenes piped out from Hollywood about "gay couples and their happy well-adjusted kids" while behind the scenes they're drugging them for "sex change" operations? If you think the thugs of GLAAD are any less repulsive morally than the ones wearing hoods in ISIS, think again. GLAAD may not be chopping off heads, but they will ruin careers I've heard if they don't walk lockstep to this perversion depriving children of both a mother and father, and preserving their gender and sex organs as born. Perhaps with enough time, power and weapons, GLAAD will be chopping off people's heads literally. For now it's just figuratively.

A child being drugged to addle his mind to influence himself to chop off his own genitals later is also a sex-slave of someone else's perverse influence. Boy Drugged By Lesbian "Parents" To Be A Girl

The devil, once it gets its stranglehold, has its puppets use fear to control others into submission. Manufactured fear is manufactured fear. That is the true perversion. The different recipes for it are tit for tat in the Big Picture.. Just as misguided as the lesbians drugging the boy to hack off his genitals, so are the ISIS terrorists for thinking they're going to heaven with 1,000 virgins or whatever. The devil whispers in their ear..."yeah, just do THIS and you'll get 1,000 virgins when you die and you'll go to Heaven!...I promissssssssssssss" *forked tongue vibrating full-extension*... The devil is a convincing, sneaky, smooth talking asshole. Like I said. If you want to see a version of him on a observational scale, just go to a used car lot and visit with a salesman there. He'll convince you with a warm smile & a firm handshake that every car on that lot will drive you straight up the stairway to heaven.. *shudder*...

Isis doesn't like gay people either.

So much hetero sin going on you worry about 1 creepy lesbo couple? You think that's the biggest problem in America? Not the war going on every night in cities like Detroit? Let's see you saints tackle poverty first

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah Yeah I know. "We don't negotiate with terrorists". So to you I say, "Get back to me when you're exhausted playing whack-a-mole"..

Meanwhile in the real world, some of us are wondering what exactly it is these young men blowing themselves up actually want. I mean has anyone ever sat down with any of them and said "what exactly are your demands?"

Just putting it out there. Usually when people blow themselves up, they're upset about something. Say we ask them "what are you upset about?" Maybe interview one with his voice changed or just with a shroud blocking his face. "What are your demands?"

Would it really hurt to ask? Would it really hurt to listen? What's more painful, all these insane acts of violence or just setting national pride aside and saying "OK, you've got our attention". I mean it's obvious they have our attention. That cat has already been out of the bag for some time. So might as well acknowledge it.

I suspect if they could enunciate their demands and desires in a list or something, it would 1. Better help them understand what they are for (or against) and 2. Get them to focus on specific goals instead of just random and fruitless acts of violence just for violence's sake. 3. Once they are focused, they could appoint leadership to issue demands and perhaps the UN could grant them an audience? Perhaps draw up a treaty?

Anyone who is familiar with "The Godfather" understands that what's going on isn't all that different from mob wars. You can hold out and act proud for only so long but when the horse's head winds up in your bed, you have to wake up and realize a truce might be the best way to go.

I know I'm going to get tons and tons of criticism for this idea but frankly I don't give a crap. You know how I am.

Isn't it amazing we don't know their demands? I don't think they have any other than convert

 

[Silhouette]

Isis doesn't like gay people either.

So much hetero sin going on you worry about 1 creepy lesbo couple? You think that's the biggest problem in America? Not the war going on every night in cities like Detroit? Let's see you saints tackle poverty first

You like to miss the forest for the trees. Are you trying to claim that the perversity of drugging a boy to cut his genitals off is somehow being kept out of being "normalized through the media" on a larger scale? You're assuming your hypnotic hold on the mind's ability to see what it sees is more powerful than it really is. This depravity is being sold to the American public and the world (the Islamic world as well) in a thousand different blatant and subtle ways, fully visible, and on prime time airwaves.

Shame on you for trying to hide the normal routine of beheadings and the drownings in wire cages behind a veil of "good intentions"..

 

[asaratis]

Back and forth go the extremes. Let's start by asking the extremist muslims to line out what it is they're after, in details..

So, let's, for example, say the terrorists sat down with your dumb ass, and they agreed to NOT kill you if you convert (IF you are a Christian). Would you deny Christ and convert? Because, that's what they want, for the thirty- thousandth time. That's ALL they want.

Tiny Hands would tell you that the art of the deal is to start out asking for way more than you're willing to settle for in the end. That way, when the other side "shaves you down" and meets you in the middle, you actually got what you were after in the first place. Short book really "The Art of the Deal". Could've written it all in one page.

Anyway, yes, Islamic extremists would ask all of us to convert and denounce. That of course wouldn't be up for bargaining away. But other things could be. Like our pumping smut through the airwaves all over the world, or just our depraved laws being revised. We could withdraw from encroachment on ME oil and sovereign lands.

You could still be a Christian as you withdrew depraved legislation and created new FCC rules for depravity broadcasts, and while you were withdrawing Blackwater's toehold in the ME. That would be "the art of the deal". But we can't start haggling with them if we don't invite them to the table.

Besides, if you read my posts you'll notice that part of the invitation to the table includes their briefing themselves on their specific demands. My requirement would be they read the Koran from cover to cover twice before they came to the table. In the end it would become clear to all men that no matter who their messiah is, be it Jesus or Muhammad or Buddha etc., these messiahs are but messengers all of the same Message.

Jesus reminded us not to worship him, but "My Father in Heaven" instead. Muhammad was so adamant about this identical message that he forbade even the depiction of his earthly form so as to not distract from what was actually important. Both men were admitting they were just men, albeit very enlightened ones and clearer conduits for "God" "Allah" which are the same thing. In fact wasn't Jesus' message supposed to be that even if you're a man like him, you can rise above that and become godly (with a small "g")? I'm pretty sure that was Jesus' one-page "Art of the Deal" if you had to condense the Bible down to just one page.

I'm not sure what Muhammad said about people hanging on his every word as if he himself was Allah. But given that he insisted people not depict him in the flesh, one has to wonder if that wasn't the same as him saying "look, there may be some things I represent that aren't 100% godly, so look to Allah instead. I'm an empty shell, a messenger, a flawed being like all of you who is telling you there's another way". Like I said, I don't know. I haven't studied the Koran enough to know if Muhammad fancied himself an infallible god or a flawed being like the rest of us?

Well, it's Easter so there's my Easter sermon...lol..

Revelation 19:10

At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

If I had to create a unifying world religion or at least one that bound Islam to Christianity, I would substitute the word "Jesus" with the word "your divine prophet" or "your messiah". See how they're the same message? I think, this is why Muhammad insisted on not being depicted in the flesh. Revelation 19:10 could just as easily be a statement from Muhammad. The Law of Prophets (any of them, take your pick, because there have been many) is "Never substitute yourself or your words between God/Allah and the men and women you're addressing".

In fact I believe that, if memory serves, Muhammad came along later to correct the issue of people worshiping Jesus "as God" (capital G). Then in utter irony, the Islamic extremists have worshiped Muhammad instead of Allah by hanging on the words (just some, the ones that suit their current agenda but not all) of the messenger instead of their deeper meaning. It is nearly one and the same as the Islamic extremists drawing pictures of their human interpretation of what their Prophet looked like. I'm pretty sure one of the commandments filtered through Muhammad was not "pick and choose what you want to hear from my message and ignore the rest as you like".

But then again they've justified jihad because of the extremes in pre-existence in the West. So this is why we need to get them to the negotiating table. We all need to stop, take stock of where we have gone wrong, and make adjustments...which will require sacrifices on both sides of the table.

I personally think that they could give up their addiction to power via terrorizing and bombing if we gave up our addiction to controlling their oil and influencing their children to depravity. That would be one great deal for everyone I'd think. Nobody has to renounce Allah. Nobody has to renounce Christianity because really they're one and the same thing. Seems the devil has gotten into both sublime messages. Figures. That asshole is always getting up to that.. He is always pitting men's weaknesses and addictions against each other by turning weakness into "a new religion" and then declaring "Jihad!" on other new religions based on weaknesses. This is why at the negotiating table we could discuss our common strengths which at their base is a basic morality and regard for a Sublime message greater than our fleshy addictions.

I see that you are not a student of history. Muhammad's command to kill all infidels (those that do not practice Islam and it's rules of life) came into being before June 8, 0632, the day Muhammad died. That was over 1380 YEARS AGO. One Thousand Three Hundred Eighty YEARS AGO.

The "West" as we know it today did not exist. The Crusades (there have been 9 of them) occurred between 1096 and 1272...still, there was no "West" as we know it. All of the Crusades were in response to MUSLIM persecution and killing of Christians for no reason other than Muhammad having told them in the Quran that it was the right thing to do.

The problem continues today, STILL BASED upon Muhammad's idiotic dogma.

I think that by way of modern communications and worldwide knowledge of lifestyles in other countries, millions of Muslims have "seen the light" and now disregard the evil command to kill others in the name of religion. It is the radical Muslims that hold onto every word of the Quran (just as some Christians use Old Testament text to justify hatred instead of the love that Jesus taught in the New Testament)

What the Quran needs is a "New Testament". Just strike out all of the commands to kill others (there are many) and you've got a good start. Take out the parts where the men own the women and you've got another improvement. Do away with Sharia Law and you might be getting close to a peaceful Muslim religion.

 

[Contumacious]

Back and forth go the extremes. Let's start by asking the extremist muslims to line out what it is they're after, in details..

So, let's, for example, say the terrorists sat down with your dumb ass, and they agreed to NOT kill you if you convert (IF you are a Christian). Would you deny Christ and convert? Because, that's what they want, for the thirty- thousandth time. That's ALL they want.

Tiny Hands would tell you that the art of the deal is to start out asking for way more than you're willing to settle for in the end. That way, when the other side "shaves you down" and meets you in the middle, you actually got what you were after in the first place. Short book really "The Art of the Deal". Could've written it all in one page.

Anyway, yes, Islamic extremists would ask all of us to convert and denounce. That of course wouldn't be up for bargaining away. But other things could be. Like our pumping smut through the airwaves all over the world, or just our depraved laws being revised. We could withdraw from encroachment on ME oil and sovereign lands.

You could still be a Christian as you withdrew depraved legislation and created new FCC rules for depravity broadcasts, and while you were withdrawing Blackwater's toehold in the ME. That would be "the art of the deal". But we can't start haggling with them if we don't invite them to the table.

Besides, if you read my posts you'll notice that part of the invitation to the table includes their briefing themselves on their specific demands. My requirement would be they read the Koran from cover to cover twice before they came to the table. In the end it would become clear to all men that no matter who their messiah is, be it Jesus or Muhammad or Buddha etc., these messiahs are but messengers all of the same Message.

Jesus reminded us not to worship him, but "My Father in Heaven" instead. Muhammad was so adamant about this identical message that he forbade even the depiction of his earthly form so as to not distract from what was actually important. Both men were admitting they were just men, albeit very enlightened ones and clearer conduits for "God" "Allah" which are the same thing. In fact wasn't Jesus' message supposed to be that even if you're a man like him, you can rise above that and become godly (with a small "g")? I'm pretty sure that was Jesus' one-page "Art of the Deal" if you had to condense the Bible down to just one page.

I'm not sure what Muhammad said about people hanging on his every word as if he himself was Allah. But given that he insisted people not depict him in the flesh, one has to wonder if that wasn't the same as him saying "look, there may be some things I represent that aren't 100% godly, so look to Allah instead. I'm an empty shell, a messenger, a flawed being like all of you who is telling you there's another way". Like I said, I don't know. I haven't studied the Koran enough to know if Muhammad fancied himself an infallible god or a flawed being like the rest of us?

Well, it's Easter so there's my Easter sermon...lol..

Revelation 19:10

At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

If I had to create a unifying world religion or at least one that bound Islam to Christianity, I would substitute the word "Jesus" with the word "your divine prophet" or "your messiah". See how they're the same message? I think, this is why Muhammad insisted on not being depicted in the flesh. Revelation 19:10 could just as easily be a statement from Muhammad. The Law of Prophets (any of them, take your pick, because there have been many) is "Never substitute yourself or your words between God/Allah and the men and women you're addressing".

In fact I believe that, if memory serves, Muhammad came along later to correct the issue of people worshiping Jesus "as God" (capital G). Then in utter irony, the Islamic extremists have worshiped Muhammad instead of Allah by hanging on the words (just some, the ones that suit their current agenda but not all) of the messenger instead of their deeper meaning. It is nearly one and the same as the Islamic extremists drawing pictures of their human interpretation of what their Prophet looked like. I'm pretty sure one of the commandments filtered through Muhammad was not "pick and choose what you want to hear from my message and ignore the rest as you like".

But then again they've justified jihad because of the extremes in pre-existence in the West. So this is why we need to get them to the negotiating table. We all need to stop, take stock of where we have gone wrong, and make adjustments...which will require sacrifices on both sides of the table.

I personally think that they could give up their addiction to power via terrorizing and bombing if we gave up our addiction to controlling their oil and influencing their children to depravity. That would be one great deal for everyone I'd think. Nobody has to renounce Allah. Nobody has to renounce Christianity because really they're one and the same thing. Seems the devil has gotten into both sublime messages. Figures. That asshole is always getting up to that.. He is always pitting men's weaknesses and addictions against each other by turning weakness into "a new religion" and then declaring "Jihad!" on other new religions based on weaknesses. This is why at the negotiating table we could discuss our common strengths which at their base is a basic morality and regard for a Sublime message greater than our fleshy addictions.

I see that you are not a student of history. Muhammad's command to kill all infidels (those that do not practice Islam and it's rules of life) came into being before June 8, 0632, the day Muhammad died. That was over 1380 YEARS AGO. One Thousand Three Hundred Eighty YEARS AGO.

The "West" as we know it today did not exist. The Crusades (there have been 9 of them) occurred between 1096 and 1272...still, there was no "West" as we know it. All of the Crusades were in response to MUSLIM persecution and killing of Christians for no reason other than Muhammad having told them in the Quran that it was the right thing to do.

The problem continues today, STILL BASED upon Muhammad's idiotic dogma.

I think that by way of modern communications and worldwide knowledge of lifestyles in other countries, millions of Muslims have "seen the light" and disregard the evil command to kill others in the name of religion. It is the radical Muslims that hold onto every word of the Quran (just as some Christians use Old Testament text to justify hatred instead of the love that Jesus taught in the New Testament)

What the Quran needs is a "New Testament". Just strike out all of the commands to kill others (there are many) and you've got a good start. Take out the parts where the men own the women and you've got another improvement. Do away with Sharia Law and you might be getting close to a peaceful Muslim religion.

Shut the fuck up

1- I 1925 the zionuts came into Palestine determined to disappear the Palestinians by any means necessary;

2- In 1949 Harry S Truman threw 1.5 million Muslims under the bus when he made the Palestinians foreigners in their own land - Truman sold his soul for 2M because he wanted to defeat Dewey.

 

[sealybobo]

Isis doesn't like gay people either.

So much hetero sin going on you worry about 1 creepy lesbo couple? You think that's the biggest problem in America? Not the war going on every night in cities like Detroit? Let's see you saints tackle poverty first

You like to miss the forest for the trees. Are you trying to claim that the perversity of drugging a boy to cut his genitals off is somehow being kept out of being "normalized through the media" on a larger scale? You're assuming your hypnotic hold on the mind's ability to see what it sees is more powerful than it really is. This depravity is being sold to the American public and the world (the Islamic world as well) in a thousand different blatant and subtle ways, fully visible, and on prime time airwaves.

Shame on you for trying to hide the normal routine of beheadings and the drownings in wire cages behind a veil of "good intentions"..

If you mean allowing a young woman who was born a boy to become a girl? I'll let the doctors decide if it's the parents abusing the child or if the child is really a fagala.

I once worried two namblas would get married and adopt young boys. I still worry about that but people say they check in to make sure the child isn't being abused. I don't buy it. I think they are patient and will wait for the social workers to stop coming.

But we have hetero couples who abuse their kids too. Are you going to stop 999 good gay adoptions because of one might be bad?

 

[asaratis]

.........


Shut the fuck up

1- I 1925 the zionuts came into Palestine determined to disappear the Palestinians by any means necessary;

2- In 1949 Harry S Truman threw 1.5 million Muslims under the bus when he made the Palestinians foreigners in their own land - Truman sold his soul for 2M because he wanted to defeat Dewey.

You haven't rebutted a single word I posted, dickhead.

Take some advice and stay away from lubricants for a while...or else you'll go blind.

 

[Silhouette]

I see that you are not a student of history. Muhammad's command to kill all infidels (those that do not practice Islam and it's rules of life) came into being before June 8, 0632, the day Muhammad died. That was over 1380 YEARS AGO. One Thousand Three Hundred Eighty YEARS AGO.

...The problem continues today, STILL BASED upon Muhammad's idiotic dogma....I think that by way of modern communications and worldwide knowledge of lifestyles in other countries, millions of Muslims have "seen the light" and now disregard the evil command to kill others in the name of religion. It is the radical Muslims that hold onto every word of the Quran (just as some Christians use Old Testament text to justify hatred instead of the love that Jesus taught in the New Testament.

I am a student of history, just as you are. But nobody knows everything of every aspect of history. And I did admit ignorance of the Koran's full teachings, so...and to be truthful, I've never read the Bible cover to cover either. I just get the gist of something first and ignore the fluff. The Old Testament is filled with fluff. Fluff gets in everywhere, even the New Testament. Fluff gets into the Koran, Fluff gets into even Buddhism. It's like a damned textile mill out there, there's so much fluff.

That's why meditation is so important. I wonder how many Islamic extremists actually sit down and quiet their minds to establish a direct link with Allah on a daily basis. I'm not talking about crouching like an obedient chorus dancer 5 times a day so that people won't stone you. (the devil's idea, I'm sure of it, precisely to cut off actual wide-open meditation while convincing the "faithful" that "they're covered" on that requirement....) I wonder how many Christians abdicated true service to God and daily quiet introspection by being "assured" that they're "covered" by being dunked in a tank of water and "born again"? The best crack in the door for becoming a righteous hypocrite is formed that way. The devil is such a clever asshole.

..I'm talking about real, actual quiet of the mind. This goes for Christians too. The words are all fluff. They are merely a device to transport the reader directly into contact with the Sublime. Anyone who gets hung up on their literal interpretation to serve a personal agenda, while they ignore all the balancing effects of the other words, has lost God or Allah. Of that I can assure you.

 

[sealybobo]

Back and forth go the extremes. Let's start by asking the extremist muslims to line out what it is they're after, in details..

So, let's, for example, say the terrorists sat down with your dumb ass, and they agreed to NOT kill you if you convert (IF you are a Christian). Would you deny Christ and convert? Because, that's what they want, for the thirty- thousandth time. That's ALL they want.

Tiny Hands would tell you that the art of the deal is to start out asking for way more than you're willing to settle for in the end. That way, when the other side "shaves you down" and meets you in the middle, you actually got what you were after in the first place. Short book really "The Art of the Deal". Could've written it all in one page.

Anyway, yes, Islamic extremists would ask all of us to convert and denounce. That of course wouldn't be up for bargaining away. But other things could be. Like our pumping smut through the airwaves all over the world, or just our depraved laws being revised. We could withdraw from encroachment on ME oil and sovereign lands.

You could still be a Christian as you withdrew depraved legislation and created new FCC rules for depravity broadcasts, and while you were withdrawing Blackwater's toehold in the ME. That would be "the art of the deal". But we can't start haggling with them if we don't invite them to the table.

Besides, if you read my posts you'll notice that part of the invitation to the table includes their briefing themselves on their specific demands. My requirement would be they read the Koran from cover to cover twice before they came to the table. In the end it would become clear to all men that no matter who their messiah is, be it Jesus or Muhammad or Buddha etc., these messiahs are but messengers all of the same Message.

Jesus reminded us not to worship him, but "My Father in Heaven" instead. Muhammad was so adamant about this identical message that he forbade even the depiction of his earthly form so as to not distract from what was actually important. Both men were admitting they were just men, albeit very enlightened ones and clearer conduits for "God" "Allah" which are the same thing. In fact wasn't Jesus' message supposed to be that even if you're a man like him, you can rise above that and become godly (with a small "g")? I'm pretty sure that was Jesus' one-page "Art of the Deal" if you had to condense the Bible down to just one page.

I'm not sure what Muhammad said about people hanging on his every word as if he himself was Allah. But given that he insisted people not depict him in the flesh, one has to wonder if that wasn't the same as him saying "look, there may be some things I represent that aren't 100% godly, so look to Allah instead. I'm an empty shell, a messenger, a flawed being like all of you who is telling you there's another way". Like I said, I don't know. I haven't studied the Koran enough to know if Muhammad fancied himself an infallible god or a flawed being like the rest of us?

Well, it's Easter so there's my Easter sermon...lol..

Revelation 19:10

At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

If I had to create a unifying world religion or at least one that bound Islam to Christianity, I would substitute the word "Jesus" with the word "your divine prophet" or "your messiah". See how they're the same message? I think, this is why Muhammad insisted on not being depicted in the flesh. Revelation 19:10 could just as easily be a statement from Muhammad. The Law of Prophets (any of them, take your pick, because there have been many) is "Never substitute yourself or your words between God/Allah and the men and women you're addressing".

In fact I believe that, if memory serves, Muhammad came along later to correct the issue of people worshiping Jesus "as God" (capital G). Then in utter irony, the Islamic extremists have worshiped Muhammad instead of Allah by hanging on the words (just some, the ones that suit their current agenda but not all) of the messenger instead of their deeper meaning. It is nearly one and the same as the Islamic extremists drawing pictures of their human interpretation of what their Prophet looked like. I'm pretty sure one of the commandments filtered through Muhammad was not "pick and choose what you want to hear from my message and ignore the rest as you like".

But then again they've justified jihad because of the extremes in pre-existence in the West. So this is why we need to get them to the negotiating table. We all need to stop, take stock of where we have gone wrong, and make adjustments...which will require sacrifices on both sides of the table.

I personally think that they could give up their addiction to power via terrorizing and bombing if we gave up our addiction to controlling their oil and influencing their children to depravity. That would be one great deal for everyone I'd think. Nobody has to renounce Allah. Nobody has to renounce Christianity because really they're one and the same thing. Seems the devil has gotten into both sublime messages. Figures. That asshole is always getting up to that.. He is always pitting men's weaknesses and addictions against each other by turning weakness into "a new religion" and then declaring "Jihad!" on other new religions based on weaknesses. This is why at the negotiating table we could discuss our common strengths which at their base is a basic morality and regard for a Sublime message greater than our fleshy addictions.

I see that you are not a student of history. Muhammad's command to kill all infidels (those that do not practice Islam and it's rules of life) came into being before June 8, 0632, the day Muhammad died. That was over 1380 YEARS AGO. One Thousand Three Hundred Eighty YEARS AGO.

The "West" as we know it today did not exist. The Crusades (there have been 9 of them) occurred between 1096 and 1272...still, there was no "West" as we know it. All of the Crusades were in response to MUSLIM persecution and killing of Christians for no reason other than Muhammad having told them in the Quran that it was the right thing to do.

The problem continues today, STILL BASED upon Muhammad's idiotic dogma.

I think that by way of modern communications and worldwide knowledge of lifestyles in other countries, millions of Muslims have "seen the light" and now disregard the evil command to kill others in the name of religion. It is the radical Muslims that hold onto every word of the Quran (just as some Christians use Old Testament text to justify hatred instead of the love that Jesus taught in the New Testament)

What the Quran needs is a "New Testament". Just strike out all of the commands to kill others (there are many) and you've got a good start. Take out the parts where the men own the women and you've got another improvement. Do away with Sharia Law and you might be getting close to a peaceful Muslim religion.

What do Muslim Americans say about this " kill or convert" everyone dogma in their holy book? How do they explain that away?

 

[sealybobo]

I see that you are not a student of history. Muhammad's command to kill all infidels (those that do not practice Islam and it's rules of life) came into being before June 8, 0632, the day Muhammad died. That was over 1380 YEARS AGO. One Thousand Three Hundred Eighty YEARS AGO.

...The problem continues today, STILL BASED upon Muhammad's idiotic dogma....I think that by way of modern communications and worldwide knowledge of lifestyles in other countries, millions of Muslims have "seen the light" and now disregard the evil command to kill others in the name of religion. It is the radical Muslims that hold onto every word of the Quran (just as some Christians use Old Testament text to justify hatred instead of the love that Jesus taught in the New Testament.

I am a student of history, just as you are. But nobody knows everything of every aspect of history. And I did admit ignorance of the Koran's full teachings, so...and to be truthful, I've never read the Bible cover to cover either. I just get the gist of something first and ignore the fluff. The Old Testament is filled with fluff. Fluff gets in everywhere, even the New Testament. Fluff gets into the Koran, Fluff gets into even Buddhism. It's like a damned textile mill out there, there's so much fluff.

That's why meditation is so important. I wonder how many Islamic extremists actually sit down and quiet their minds to establish a direct link with Allah on a daily basis. I'm not talking about crouching like an obedient chorus dancer 5 times a day so that people won't stone you. (the devil's idea, I'm sure of it, precisely to cut off actual meditation while convincing the "faithful" that "they're covered" on that requirement....

..I'm talking about real, actual quiet of the mind. This goes for Christians too. The words are all fluff. They are merely a device to transport the reader directly into contact with the Sublime. Anyone who gets hung up on their literal interpretation to serve a personal agenda, while they ignore all the balancing effects of the other words, has lost God or Allah. Of that I can assure you.

There's so much fluff in every holy book. Anyone who claims they understand it all is either a liar or insane.

 

[Contumacious]

.........


Shut the fuck up

1- I 1925 the zionuts came into Palestine determined to disappear the Palestinians by any means necessary;

2- In 1949 Harry S Truman threw 1.5 million Muslims under the bus when he made the Palestinians foreigners in their own land - Truman sold his soul for 2M because he wanted to defeat Dewey.

You haven't rebutted a single word I posted, dickhead.

Take some advice and stay away from lubricants for a while...or else you'll go blind.

Shut the fuck up - Go to night school and take reading comprehension courses.

1- I 1925 the zionuts came into Palestine determined to disappear the Palestinians by any means necessary;

2- In 1949 Harry S Truman threw 1.5 million Muslims under the bus when he made the Palestinians foreigners in their own land - Truman sold his soul for 2M because he wanted to defeat Dewey.

 

[Syriusly]

The only way to deal with these animals is to crush their bones and kill

As many as possible

They feel the same way, only they have more money than you and more of them than you, and they're spread all around the world while your "army" chases its ass around trying to see where the mole will pop up next.

It's kind of silly, your position. It is inoperable within the confines of the present reality.

Hardly...the problem is that nobody has the stones to actually do what is required to eradicate ISIS.

Well true- most of us doing believe in genocide- which apparently is your solution.

Yes- I do have a problem with intentionally killing a few million children in order to kill a few thousand ISIS terrorists.

 

[asaratis]

.......

I am a student of history, just as you are. But nobody knows everything of every aspect of history. And I did admit ignorance of the Koran's full teachings, so...and to be truthful, I've never read the Bible cover to cover either. I just get the gist of something first and ignore the fluff. The Old Testament is filled with fluff. Fluff gets in everywhere, even the New Testament. Fluff gets into the Koran, Fluff gets into even Buddhism. It's like a damned textile mill out there, there's so much fluff.

That's why meditation is so important. I wonder how many Islamic extremists actually sit down and quiet their minds to establish a direct link with Allah on a daily basis. I'm not talking about crouching like an obedient chorus dancer 5 times a day so that people won't stone you. (the devil's idea, I'm sure of it, precisely to cut off actual wide-open meditation while convincing the "faithful" that "they're covered" on that requirement....)

..I'm talking about real, actual quiet of the mind. This goes for Christians too. The words are all fluff. They are merely a device to transport the reader directly into contact with the Sublime. Anyone who gets hung up on their literal interpretation to serve a personal agenda, while they ignore all the balancing effects of the other words, has lost God or Allah. Of that I can assure you.

I haven't finished the Bible word for word either. I have read the Quran fully. You should try it.

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