Zone1 How old is the Earth in your opinion?

[Unkotare]

There are different opinions about this.

I wonder what you believe.

Is it a matter of opinion?

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[TNHarley]

God ~ the earth is round.
Science ~ the earth is flat
Science ~ the earth is flat.
Science ~ the earth is round.

I was referring to the bible(what it says) and his beliefs.
The bible implies the earth is flat. And the sun revolves around the earth. Christians even put people on house arrest for saying otherwise.

 

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The bible implies the earth is flat.

Google is your friend.

The Bible does not explicitly state that the Earth is flat. Instead, passages sometimes cited to support this idea are typically poetic or idiomatic and not intended as scientific descriptions.

Key points regarding the biblical perspective on the Earth's shape:

• Poetic vs. Literal Language Many verses referenced by flat-Earth proponents, such as those mentioning the "four corners of the earth" or the "pillars of the earth," are found in poetic books (like Psalms and Job) or prophetic literature (like Revelation and Isaiah). These are generally understood as figures of speech, much like modern people refer to the "four corners of the globe".
• Contextual Interpretation Interpreting the Bible requires considering the author's intent and the original audience's understanding. The biblical authors were not trying to advance a specific scientific cosmology; their primary focus was on God's relationship with humanity. Descriptions of natural phenomena were often written from an Earth-bound observer's perspective, which is known as phenomenological language (e.g., describing the "sunrise" or "sunset").
• Alternative Interpretations Other passages are seen by some as implicitly suggesting a spherical or round Earth.
  • Isaiah 40:22 refers to the "circle of the earth" (Hebrew: khug). While "circle" can imply a 2D shape, a related word (dur) was available for "ball" (Isaiah 22:18), and many scholars believe khug here refers to the horizon or vault, which is consistent with a sphere when viewed from God's vantage point.
  • Job 26:7 states that God "hangs the earth on nothing," which some interpret as a description of a world suspended in space, defying ancient myths about the Earth resting on objects or animals.
• Absence of Explicit Doctrine The Bible does not promote a specific cosmological model, whether flat or spherical. The text itself does not contain a single verse that unequivocally teaches the Earth is flat.

The idea that the Bible teaches a flat Earth gained momentum in the 19th century as part of an effort to discredit the Bible and Christianity, not as a long-standing position of the Christian church, which widely accepted a spherical Earth by the Middle Ages.

 

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And the sun revolves around the earth.

Again... google is your friend.

The Bible doesn't explicitly teach a scientific model, but its language describes the sun's apparent movement from an Earth-based perspective (e.g., "sun rises/sets"), leading some to interpret it geocentrically (sun around Earth) as in Joshua 10:12-14 (sun stands still), while others see it as phenomenological (how things appear). Key passages like Ecclesiastes 1:5 ("the sun rises and the sun goes down") and Psalm 93:1 ("the world is established, firm and secure") describe Earth's stability and the sun's daily circuit, reflecting common ancient understanding, not a scientific cosmology.

Passages often cited as supporting geocentrism (Sun orbits Earth):

• Joshua 10:12-13: "Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon." This miracle implies the sun's movement can be stopped, suggesting it moves.
• Ecclesiastes 1:5: "The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises." Describes the sun's daily cycle from Earth's view.
• Psalm 93:1: "The world is established, firm and secure; it cannot be shaken." Suggests an unmoving Earth.

Interpretations:

• Phenomenological Language: Many scholars argue the Bible uses everyday language (phenomenological) to describe the world as it appears to humans on Earth, not to provide scientific facts.
• Theological Focus: The Bible's primary focus is theological (God's creation, sovereignty) rather than scientific (cosmology).
• No Explicit Teaching: The Bible doesn't offer a scientific theory of planetary motion, nor does it explicitly teach geocentrism over heliocentrism (Earth orbits the Sun).

In essence, the Bible describes the experience of the sun moving across the sky, which aligns with a geocentric view, but it's not presented as a definitive scientific model.

 

[Cougarbear]

Probably what? You need to be a little more detailed than that, yours is not the only conversation I have going on here.

The words probably, maybe, might be, could be are fuzzy words used to justify their “settled science” for many types like physics, archeology, geology and much more. Even religious scholars justify their prejudices of doctrines that clearly aren’t true.

 

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I was referring to the bible(what it says) and his beliefs.

Because it couldn't possibly be that ancient Jews believed God was on their side and crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

 

[Cougarbear]

The firmament was a canopy of water that surrounded the earth. It created a terrarium effect and the Garden thrived. And protected us from the sun's harmful rays. It had never rained up until the time of Noah. The firmament was emptied out to during the flood...

I do agree with you. But how do we know for sure this is what Moses stated is the water?

 

[toobfreak]

Really? Do you believe the universe popped into existence not being created from existing matter/energy?

Actually, if there were already existing matter and energy, THAT would have been the universe already existing, so when our universe appeared, it must have been an expansion of spacetime as well as an expansion of matter and energy.

Do you believe life begins at conception?

Of course it does. What would you be conceiving if life were not already there?

It's bias that leads you to use phrases like "desert savages" or "sky daddy."

Actually, those "desert savages" were, for hundreds of years after the fall of the Roman Empire and western civilization fell into its Dark Ages, the seat of science and civilization in the world.

 

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God ~ the earth is round.
Science ~ the earth is flat
Science ~ the earth is flat.
Science ~ the earth is round.

God ~ the universe was created and had a beginning.
Polytheists ~ the universe has always existed.
Christians ~ the universe was created and had a beginning.
Science ~ the universe has always existed.
Atheists ~ the universe has always existed.
Science ~ the universe was created and had a beginning.
Atheists ~ the universe has always existed.

 

[TNHarley]

Google is your friend.

The Bible does not explicitly state that the Earth is flat. Instead, passages sometimes cited to support this idea are typically poetic or idiomatic and not intended as scientific descriptions.

Key points regarding the biblical perspective on the Earth's shape:

• Poetic vs. Literal Language Many verses referenced by flat-Earth proponents, such as those mentioning the "four corners of the earth" or the "pillars of the earth," are found in poetic books (like Psalms and Job) or prophetic literature (like Revelation and Isaiah). These are generally understood as figures of speech, much like modern people refer to the "four corners of the globe".
• Contextual Interpretation Interpreting the Bible requires considering the author's intent and the original audience's understanding. The biblical authors were not trying to advance a specific scientific cosmology; their primary focus was on God's relationship with humanity. Descriptions of natural phenomena were often written from an Earth-bound observer's perspective, which is known as phenomenological language (e.g., describing the "sunrise" or "sunset").
• Alternative InterpretationsOther passages are seen by some as implicitly suggesting a spherical or round Earth.
  • Isaiah 40:22 refers to the "circle of the earth" (Hebrew: khug). While "circle" can imply a 2D shape, a related word (dur) was available for "ball" (Isaiah 22:18), and many scholars believe khug here refers to the horizon or vault, which is consistent with a sphere when viewed from God's vantage point.
  • Job 26:7 states that God "hangs the earth on nothing," which some interpret as a description of a world suspended in space, defying ancient myths about the Earth resting on objects or animals.
• Absence of Explicit Doctrine The Bible does not promote a specific cosmological model, whether flat or spherical. The text itself does not contain a single verse that unequivocally teaches the Earth is flat.

The idea that the Bible teaches a flat Earth gained momentum in the 19th century as part of an effort to discredit the Bible and Christianity, not as a long-standing position of the Christian church, which widely accepted a spherical Earth by the Middle Ages.

This is how you say you dont know what imply means, without saying you dont know what imply means.

 

[TNHarley]

Again... google is your friend.

The Bible doesn't explicitly teach a scientific model, but its language describes the sun's apparent movement from an Earth-based perspective (e.g., "sun rises/sets"), leading some to interpret it geocentrically (sun around Earth) as in Joshua 10:12-14 (sun stands still), while others see it as phenomenological (how things appear). Key passages like Ecclesiastes 1:5 ("the sun rises and the sun goes down") and Psalm 93:1 ("the world is established, firm and secure") describe Earth's stability and the sun's daily circuit, reflecting common ancient understanding, not a scientific cosmology.

Passages often cited as supporting geocentrism (Sun orbits Earth):

• Joshua 10:12-13: "Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon." This miracle implies the sun's movement can be stopped, suggesting it moves.
• Ecclesiastes 1:5: "The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises." Describes the sun's daily cycle from Earth's view.
• Psalm 93:1: "The world is established, firm and secure; it cannot be shaken." Suggests an unmoving Earth.

Interpretations:

• Phenomenological Language: Many scholars argue the Bible uses everyday language (phenomenological) to describe the world as it appears to humans on Earth, not to provide scientific facts.
• Theological Focus: The Bible's primary focus is theological (God's creation, sovereignty) rather than scientific (cosmology).
• No Explicit Teaching: The Bible doesn't offer a scientific theory of planetary motion, nor does it explicitly teach geocentrism over heliocentrism (Earth orbits the Sun).

In essence, the Bible describes the experience of the sun moving across the sky, which aligns with a geocentric view, but it's not presented as a definitive scientific model.

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This is how you say you dont know what imply means, without saying you dont know what imply means.

No. It's how it is in reality. You can't see it because of your bias.

 

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DEEEEEEERP

What else could you say or do. It's not like you have a link that supports your belief that hasn't already been refuted, right?

 

[TNHarley]

No. It's how it is in reality. You can't see it because of your bias.

OMG I didnt say the bible said the earth was flat

 

[TNHarley]

What else could you say or do. It's not like you have a link that supports your belief that hasn't already been refuted, right?

Youre a moron. Learn to read.

 

[ding]

OMG I didnt say the bible said the earth was flat

Right, you said, "The bible implies the earth is flat." I thought google's response to that question was spot on.

 

[ding]

Youre a moron. Learn to read.

I'm not the guy that thinks the Bible is a science book and thinks it implies the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth.

 

[TNHarley]

Right, you said, "The bible implies the earth is flat." I thought google's response to that question was spot on.

I stopped after this first line. "the bible doesnt explicitly state"

 

[ding]

I stopped after this first line. "the bible doesnt explicitly state"

That's your loss.

 

[TNHarley]

I'm not the guy that thinks the Bible is a science book and thinks it implies the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth.

It does imply it. Always lying. Your gawd hates liars.