Zone1 How old is the Earth in your opinion?

[Cougarbear]

You have to rely on AI Chrome to know that? Here are the facts:

1. Everything breaks down at extreme speeds (like approaching c) or within immense gravity (like black holes). This is an unresolved issue is all things physical, because both instances completely alter/warp spacetime (which by definition, is a zone where all physical laws break down and do not apply). So the unresolved question is: are our physics wrong? Or do we simply need another, special set of laws to apply to these extreme states?
2. The problem of Quantum Physics (which is still basically a theory) is that it does not merge with Relativity, which is proven. Which then enters a third problem: Gravity. Gravity is a big problem--- it doesn't agree with anything.

Why? Because gravity is probably an effect related to Dark Matter.

Probably?

 

[toobfreak]

Probably?

Probably what? You need to be a little more detailed than that, yours is not the only conversation I have going on here.

 

[BackAgain]

On the theory that nothing pre-exists our own respective stirrings of consciousness, I’d say the Earth can’t be much older than 70.75 years old.

Your mileage might differ.

 

[TNHarley]

OK, I'll bite. Mind you, I'm anything but an atheist. Still, I must posit a few points/questions---

• Let there be light: A comprehensive review of known, provable physics tells us that for the first 300,000 years after the Big Bang, the universe was too hot and dense and thus was opaque to light, so if God offered Let there be Light, that had to have been 300,000 years after the universe was born.
• I'm at a loss to believe that God's night and day were anything like our own, seeing that when God was creating the universe for there to be "nights" in between the "days," those earthly days and nights for which the Bible refers did not yet exist for another 9.2 billion years after the universe became transparent to light energy.

Meaningless. The Earth could not have been created before the universe was transparent to light as not only was ordinary matter impossible back then, but all our stratigraphic evidence shows the Earth not nearly old enough. But if it only means that the ball of rock that would become the Earth first began forming and accreting before solar light burst forth onto the scene due either to nuclear ignition or there simply being enough dust and gas cleared away for it to get through, I say: So what?


Well sure, that is the only thing that makes sense. Why would a day in God's life equal the same time period as a day on Earth, one planet among trillions which did not even come into being for billions of years after the creation of the universe? Being that Genesis was written an estimated 1600 years BC, the early farmers, etc., of that time then trying to encapsulated the origin of the world expressed it as best as they could imagine and that others might relate to back then.


They have measured ice samples deep with glaciers, etc., whose ice is a lot more than 13,000 years old, and they KNOW by means of various tests for known physical processes like atomic decay, various isotopes, etc., for things like carbon and trapped air bubbles in the ice.

NO DOUBT ABOUT IT: The earth was around about 4,599,987,000 years before your 13Kyrs ever got off the ground.

The greatest failing of Christianity is the constant effort to reconcile various statements and suggestions in the Bible with present day understanding of the physics of the universe by trying to invent some pseudoscience uniting the two.

HINT: There is no reconciling everything stated in the Bible with present scientific understanding! But that neither disproves God nor disproves theism. It only proves that not everything written in the Bible can be taken literally.

What should be taken literally? Jesus rode a camel? Moses climbed a mountain? The whole book is full of BS

 

[TNHarley]

I choose science over ignorant desert savages thousands of years ago.

 

[The Irish Ram]

What is the firmament?

The firmament was a canopy of water that surrounded the earth. It created a terrarium effect and the Garden thrived. And protected us from the sun's harmful rays. It had never rained up until the time of Noah. The firmament was emptied out to during the flood...

 

[The Irish Ram]

God ~ there are a minimum of 10 dimensions. 4 seen. 6 unseen.

Science ~ There are 3 dimensions.
Science ~ There are 4 dimensions .
Science ~ There are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen. 6 unseen.

God used physics to create it all. We discover the physics that God used. Unless you think the Big Bang created physics,

 

[ding]

I choose science over ignorant desert savages thousands of years ago.

Really? Do you believe the universe popped into existence not being created from existing matter/energy? Do you believe life begins at conception? Because if you don't you aren't choosing science.

It's bias that leads you to use phrases like "desert savages" or "sky daddy." You lack objectivity. You have a closed mind. You believe John Wilkes Booth is a hero for crying out loud.

 

[rightwinger]

I have been here about 70 years, I figure it is at least that old

 

[ding]

What should be taken literally?

Pick a passage and I'll walk you though it. It's not difficult to do as long as one has an open mind and understands that ancient Jews believed that God was on their side and accordingly crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

 

[TNHarley]

It's bias that leads you to use phrases like "desert savages" or "sky daddy." You lack objectivity. You have a closed mind. You believe John Wilkes Booth is a hero for crying out loud.

They were desert savages. I dont use the term sky daddy. In fact, the only time I have ever heard that phrase was from you and gt.
Dude, you argue your beliefs over FACT. Dont give me any open mind crap.
I do. Lincoln was a tyrant. A complete POS. He deserved it.

 

[TNHarley]

Pick a passage and I'll walk you though it. It's not difficult to do as long as one has an open mind and understands that ancient Jews believed that God was on their side and accordingly crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

IDC about your made up crap ding.

 

[ding]

They were desert savages. I dont use the term sky daddy. In fact, the only time I have ever heard that phrase was from you and gt.
Dude, you argue your beliefs over FACT. Dont give me any open mind crap.
I do. Lincoln was a tyrant. A complete POS. He deserved it.

You rage bait more than most on this board.

 

[ding]

IDC about your made up crap ding.

That's because it interferes with your gas lighting of Christians.

 

[TNHarley]

That's because it interferes with your gas lighting of Christians.

You making up things to justify your silly beliefs doesnt interfere with anything im doing except making me laugh.

 

[ding]

You making up things to justify your silly beliefs doesnt interfere with anything im doing except making me laugh.

Google disagrees.

 

[TNHarley]

Google disagrees.

I could probably get google to say cocaine is safe for your nasal cavities. Using the internet to defend you making things up is hilarious.

 

[ding]

I could probably get google to say cocaine is safe for your nasal cavities.

 

[Zebra]

Nobody says 6000

 

[The Irish Ram]

you argue your beliefs over FACT

God ~ the earth is round.
Science ~ the earth is flat
Science ~ the earth is flat.
Science ~ the earth is round.