How much do extremely wealthy people owe to the society that gave them the chance to prosper so much?

[progressive hunter]

thats culture not politics,,, this is the USA not communist china or any of the other socialist countries,,,

if you were older and had yrs of experience of providing for yourself and others you would know that

You seem to be under the impression that further dialogue between us is a waste of time. I agree.

my point is if youre going to ignore people that have experienced real life and still push things you only think and have never experienced any further discussion is useless,,

 

[Anomalism]

I agree he is indeed an outlier. Amazingly enough, it is those outliers who have, in general, had the greatest impact on the world. I think he did what he did in spite of what others did.

I think he might have accomplished even more with a better start, and if not it's certainly the case for most people, no?

 

[progressive hunter]

I agree he is indeed an outlier. Amazingly enough, it is those outliers who have, in general, had the greatest impact on the world. I think he did what he did in spite of what others did.

I think he might have accomplished even more with a better start, and if not it's certainly the case for most people, no?

you started out by telling others they owe you,,,

a little self reflection goes a long way,,,

 

[Anomalism]

my point is if youre going to ignore people that have experienced real life and still push things you only think and have never experienced any further discussion is useless,,

You being older than me isn't enough to change my mind. It doesn't automatically make your views right or superior. You're using our age difference as a serious crutch for your arguments. I didn't ignore you; you just weren't able to convince me.

 

[progressive hunter]

my point is if youre going to ignore people that have experienced real life and still push things you only think and have never experienced any further discussion is useless,,

You being older than me isn't enough to change my mind. It doesn't automatically make your views right or superior. You're using our age difference as a serious crutch for your arguments. I didn't ignore you; you just weren't able to convince me.

its not about the age its about the experience,,, and at you age you havent experienced having to provide for yourself let alone others,,,

 

[Anomalism]

its not about the age its about the experience,,, and at you age you havent experienced having to provide for yourself let alone others,,,

My extremely conservative math and economics tutor hasn't managed to turn me into a conservative yet. When we disagree he never acts condescending or uses my age to shut down my views. You're going to have to step up your game if you expect to accomplish what he hasn't managed to yet.

 

[progressive hunter]

its not about the age its about the experience,,, and at you age you havent experienced having to provide for yourself let alone others,,,

My extremely conservative math and economics tutor hasn't managed to turn me into a conservative yet. When we disagree he never acts condescending or uses my age to shut down my views. You're going to have to step up your game if you expect to accomplish what he hasn't managed to yet.

why would you want to be a conservative??? their record isnt to good but it is far better than modern liberals that are currently transferring wealth from the poor to the rich,,,

 

[Anomalism]

why would you want to be a conservative???

I am neutral about my label. I think too much focus on labels can impede good dialogue.

 

[task0778]

He still didn't do everything without any help. He's also quite an outlier. Do you not think he could have done even better with more opportunities?

Everybody gets some help along the way, successful or not. But IMHO the help people get from the gov't pales in significance to that received from other sources, such as family, friends, and investors. Economies with greater economic freedom do much better at creating more opportunities than otherwise, and when you overtax the wealthy, (i.e., investors) then it should come as no surprise that the result is less investing and fewer opportunities. Less restrictive regulations leads to more business startups and expansion, that should be obvious. IOW, as a society you generally cannot overtax the wealthy and regulate your way to prosperity.

 

[progressive hunter]

why would you want to be a conservative???

I am neutral about my label. I think too much focus on labels can impede good dialogue.

then why did you bring them up???

and what about the part of my comment you edited out??

 

[westwall]

I agree he is indeed an outlier. Amazingly enough, it is those outliers who have, in general, had the greatest impact on the world. I think he did what he did in spite of what others did.

I think he might have accomplished even more with a better start, and if not it's certainly the case for most people, no?

I don't think so. Take a look through history. Pretty much every major advancement in science has come from those who weren't willing to bow to the collective.

Collective thinking has slowed progress in every meaningful way regardless of if it is science, or cultural, or religious, etc.

Take a look at your thinking, a small group determines where other people's earnings go.

That is ancient. That goes back to the dawn of civilization. Slavery by just another name.

 

[Anomalism]

then why did you bring them up???

They have some use sometimes. You seemed unsatisfied with being unable to get through to me. I took the liberty of assuming you're a conservative like one of my tutors. Maybe I was wrong.

 

[Blues Man]

Ethics and morals did not exist before man.

Ethics and morals are societal evaluations on behavior as to what is acceptable or not or in other words what is right or wrong.

Those have evolved over time as societies have evolved. If there were no humans there would be no societies and hence there would be be no morals or ethics no right and wrong.

But the earth would still orbit the sun and the solar system would still be part of the milky way galaxy.

I wonder if these people even understand objective vs subjective.

We do. You'll stop wondering when YOU understand them from the perspective of experience, rather than the perspective of "I've sat in my room and thought a whole bunch about this." It's very easy to say, "Evil is just subjective, it doesn't really exist" as a theoretical abstract; it's impossible once you encounter it.

your encounter with evil is just an encounter with human behavior.

What we call evil does not exist outside the human experience therefore it is a human construct

 

[progressive hunter]

then why did you bring them up???

They have some use sometimes. You seemed unsatisfied with being unable to get through to me. I took the liberty of assuming you're a conservative like one of my tutors. Maybe I was wrong.

so you rejected my view based on a label you incorrectly applied to me,,,

let that be another lesson on experience,,,

 

[Anomalism]

all your encounter with evil is just an encounter with human behavior.

What we call evil does not exist outside the human experience therefore it is a human construct

Your contribution to this part of the discussion is appreciated. I kind of got tired of trying to explain.

 

[Anomalism]

so you rejected my view based on a label you incorrectly applied to me,,,

let that be another lesson on experience,,,

No, I rejected your view based on your view. You seemed to be conservative so I compared your arguments to a conservative man that I respect.

 

[Meister]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

Is it the rich's obligation to watch their taxes go to Pakistan for "Gender Programs"?

 

[progressive hunter]

so you rejected my view based on a label you incorrectly applied to me,,,

let that be another lesson on experience,,,

No, I rejected your view based on your view. You seemed to be conservative so I compared your arguments to a conservative man that I respect.

that doesnt make sense,,, I have to go do some work but I will leave you with this,,

you seem to think we need a strong collective controlled by governemnt but seem to not realize that cant happen when everyone is equal,,, cause we can never be all equal,,

the only way to a strong collective is to have strong individuals and government cant provide that,,, and that is what this country is about,,, in fact the government through things like welfare and subsidies has weakened the individual and made the country weaker,,,

"out of many comes one"

 

[Anomalism]

Is it the rich's obligation to watch their taxes go to Pakistan for "Gender Programs"?

I am a nationalist. **** Pakistan.

 

[progressive hunter]

Is it the rich's obligation to watch their taxes go to Pakistan for "Gender Programs"?

I am a nationalist. **** Pakistan.

based on your comments you are no nationalist,,, my best guess is your a progressive,,,