How much do extremely wealthy people owe to the society that gave them the chance to prosper so much?

[Anomalism]

based on your comments you are no nationalist,,, my best guess is your a progressive,,,

I am a left wing nationalist. I want us to stop wasting money internationally and I want us to stop letting uneducated poor people into our nation.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The wrong question.

The right question is how much does society owe to the billionaires that create needed goods and services and created thousands of jobs?

Like Bill Gates. From nothing he created the software empire that enabled the computer age and in the process employed many thousands of people.

We owe him a lot more than he owes us.

Gates is a thief whose mother worked in government which gave him the knowledge on how to capitalize off taxpayers to make himself a billionaire.
I have nothing against rich people who earn their money----but Gates is a scum bag.

Gates produced a mega business that employs tens of thousands of high paid workers and produced a product that helped to foster in the age of computers not only for the US but for the world.

Nobody else did it and the ******* government sure as hell did not do it.

The ******* government may have created the internet for national defense purposes but it was Gates and Jobs and other individuals that made it a tremendous commercial success that increased the productivity of the world.

I don't like Gates. He is an idiot Libtard. However, we owe Gates a lot more than he owes us.

I couldn't even start to count the number of businesses that were started and became successes due to Microsoft.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yeah, that's why every other post is whining about how mean I am, and explaining how I can become the person you've decided I should be, as though I asked.

Write this down somewhere, Junior, so I don't have to keep repeating myself: I know exactly who and what I am, and I'm good with it. I don't care, and never will, about your approval or disapproval. I'm not your mommy, and this ain't your woke safe space. Adapt to this environment, and stop trying to demand it adapt to you.

You spend a lot of time picking other people apart. It's funny that you feel the need to tell me how much you don't care about my perception of you.

That's what one does when someone is propounding on egregiously wrong philosophies that will cause harm: one picks them apart. Only great fools give them respect and let them stand to be "nice".

It's not at all funny. I find it sad that you keep presenting your perception like it matters and forcing me to remind you that I don't care. Makes me think you're not very bright.

 

[westwall]

based on your comments you are no nationalist,,, my best guess is your a progressive,,,

I am a left wing nationalist. I want us to stop wasting money internationally and I want us to stop letting uneducated poor people into our nation.

So you are a NAZI then.

 

[Anomalism]

That's what one does when someone is propounding on egregiously wrong philosophies that will cause harm: one picks them apart. Only great fools give them respect and let them stand to be "nice".

It's not at all funny. I find it sad that you keep presenting your perception like it matters and forcing me to remind you that I don't care. Makes me think you're not very bright.

You're just boring me now.

 

[Anomalism]

So you are a NAZI then.

Well, I'm not interested in genocide or war.

 

[westwall]

So you are a NAZI then.

Well, I'm not interested in genocide or war.

For now. In the end left wing nationalism ALWAYS ends in mass murder. Always has, always will. That's the nature of collectivism.

 

[Anomalism]

For now. In the end left wing nationalism ALWAYS ends in mass murder. Always has, always will. That's the nature of collectivism.

I'm pretty sure I'll never be interested in genocide or war. I also don't take issue with gay people or other skin colors.

 

[Cecilie1200]

People who have lived longer and had more life experience rightly have the expectation of knowing more than those who haven't.

Why, I remember when I was a wee little lad...

It's hard to respect the wisdom of somebody that flames me like that and acts like I'm incapable of having nuanced views.

I never said you were incapable of it. I said you weren't doing it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

For now. In the end left wing nationalism ALWAYS ends in mass murder. Always has, always will. That's the nature of collectivism.

I'm pretty sure I'll never be interested in genocide or war. I also don't take issue with gay people or other skin colors.

It's not all about you. Would you like to talk about nationalist movements whose founders had no interest in genocide or war, which ended up that way anyway?

What the hell do gay people and other skin colors have to do with anything?

 

[Anomalism]

What the hell do gay people and other skin colors have to do with anything?

From what I understand the Nazis weren't too thrilled about gay people or other ethnicities.

 

[Anomalism]

It's not all about you. Would you like to talk about nationalist movements whose founders had no interest in genocide or war, which ended up that way anyway?

Conservatives on this forum love to slam the like button when I start talking about my nationalist views.

 

[Staidhup]

I am not wealthy and don’t believe I owe this country anything. I served my country as did my forefathers and all we received in return was more and more taxation, and now I am told everything I earned by the sweat that rolled down the crack of my ass is only due to a government that grows by leaps and bounds. What a crock of shit.

 

[westwall]

For now. In the end left wing nationalism ALWAYS ends in mass murder. Always has, always will. That's the nature of collectivism.

I'm pretty sure I'll never be interested in genocide or war. I also don't take issue with gay people or other skin colors.

Neither did the NAZI's. Look up Ernst Rohm someday. He was a co leader of the Nazi party and was queer as a three dollar bill. I fear that you are powerfully ignorant of history. You should read a lot more about it than you have been.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Have you not benefited in any way from society and the people around you?

Did I claim to have no use for society? No.
There are degrees of liberty one gives up to live amongst others. I just believe in surrendering a lesser degree of liberty to alleviate the shortcomings of others than you do, obviously.

There's an enormous difference between needing society for interaction, and needing them to prop you up and take care of you.

 

[westwall]

What the hell do gay people and other skin colors have to do with anything?

From what I understand the Nazis weren't too thrilled about gay people or other ethnicities.

Then you know very little, and understand less.

 

[Anomalism]

Neither did the NAZI's.

No, but Hitler had been spewing Jew and general race hate almost his entire life. He hijacked the party and mutated it into something else.

 

[Anomalism]

Then you know very little, and understand less.

I think you know I'm not actually an ignorant person. I don't know why we need to play these games.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

You won’t get many if any serious answers.
I feel they should pay at least the same percentage of income as the bulk of Americans pay. Unfortunately though our current system makes it cheaper for them to pay experts to avoid taxes altogether in some cases. See Trump.

See every multi-millionaire and billionaire and stop pretending it's something unique to TRUMP!. Why do you think Warren Buffet complains about the income tax being too low? He does it because most of his income is in capital gains, not regular income and he knows if it gets raised it won't effect him very much.

See every multi-millionaire and billionaire and stop pretending it's something unique to TRUMP!. Why do you think Warren Buffet complains about the income tax being too low? He does it because most of his income is in capital gains, not regular income and he knows if it gets raised it won't effect him very much.

Derp....
I used Trump because we know for a fact what he’s paid recently. As long as a tax expert and loopholes are cheaper they will always pay a lower percentage.

 

[westwall]

Then you know very little, and understand less.

I think you know I'm not actually an ignorant person. I don't know why we need to play these games.

Ignorance, is not stupidity. Based on your answers you are tremendously ignorant. That is fixable, stupidity is not. When I call you ignorant, it's because you ARE. I am not insulting you, I am merely stating a fact. Hitler spewed whatever he thought would benefit him. He was not anti semitic. Heydrich famously presented him a list of all the general officers with Jewish ancestry and Hitler tore it up and told him he would tell him who was Jewish, and who was not.

Like I said, you know very, very little about Hitler, and left wing nationalism in general.