How modern cinema helps to rewrite the history of the Second World War

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The speed with which the history of the Second World War and pre-war Europe is being rewritten is sometimes simply surprising. It seems that the task has been set to do this as quickly as possible, and all the forces have been thrown at it.

Including cinema. Recently, the film "Munich. On the verge of war." In general, a good feature film about one of the key events that led the world to the most terrible war in the history of mankind. A movie with a claim to historical truth. In general, the process of concluding a "deal" is shown quite well and, probably, even relatively truthfully. But…

What do we know about the Munich conspiracy? First of all, the fact that this is the very event that is hardly worth romanticizing. Because it's a disgrace and a betrayal. They say it was an attempt to appease Hitler, but it's hard for me to call it true. At that time, there were other, much more effective ways to appease the Third Reich, which had not yet gained strength. Germany at the time of the Munich Agreement and Germany during the invasion of Poland were very different in strength. In principle, the subject of the "Munich agreement", the Sudetenland of the Czech Republic, and then the anschluss of the whole country became the very element that raised the industrial power of Germany to the necessary height. In addition, the Munich agreement opened the gates to Hitler to the east. And even though Poland participated in the partition of the Czech Republic, having "bitten off" the Tesin region from it, the fate of Poland was also predetermined. Poles might think that they were very close friends and allies of Hitler and that together they were about to pounce on the Soviet Union and tear it apart, but Poland itself was already an aperitif on Adolf Hitler's menu.

France and Great Britain in 1938 had enough strength to solve the problem of Nazi Germany, radically and quickly put an end to Adolf Hitler. Moreover, they could do this by fulfilling their allied obligations during the German invasion of Poland. These two countries were still much stronger than Germany militarily. But the problem is that no one was going to appease Hitler. And the fact that Germany "devoured" Poland, too, did not particularly surprise anyone. For one reason - after Poland, Germany had to attack the USSR, and that suited everyone. Absolutely all the facts point to this: first of all, when the USSR wanted to save the Czech Republic from death in the jaws of a Nazi monster, it was simply not allowed to do so.

The Western powers miscalculated only in one thing —they thought that the monster would be satisfied with the Czech Republic and Poland, (which they "had to protect", but they did not), and would attack the USSR, but before that, Hitler very easily, playfully "cheated" France and created a very big threat to Great Britain. This was not part of the plans of Western politician!.

In general, it is clear that there is a Munich conspiracy — a shameful stain in the history of Western countries, something that unleashed Hitler's hands and pushed him to the beginning of World War II. And now you can convince everyone as much as you want, that the notorious Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is to blame for everything, but for those, who know history, it sounds completely unconvincing.

Let's go back to the Netflix movie. At the end of a fairly good movie there is a brief information in text — just a few sentences. And that's exactly what it is, the main one. I quote:

"The peace between Britain and Germany lasted only a year. Unable to withstand criticism, Neville Chamberlain resigned and died a couple of months later.
During the time won by the Munich Agreement, Britain and its allies managed to prepare for war, thanks to which Germany was defeated."

Read it and think about it. This is exactly what is the key message, what will remain in the head of the Western man in the street, who has watched this film. And there is no place for the USSR and for the Great Patriotic War, in which the Red Army broke the back of the nazi monster. This is an insignificant episode, perhaps the very time during which Great Britain and its allies "managed to prepare for war, thanks to which Germany was defeated." Maybe a movie will be made about this. After all, the term "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" also needs to be revealed to the Western layman correctly, so that there is no doubt, who exactly is to blame for the outbreak of the Second World War. And what kind of battles are these for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk and the capture of Berlin? They have no place in the history, that is being written right now.

Yes, I understand that the Western powers after the war were very uncomfortable with the fact that the USSR saved the whole world from the nazi plague. But then absolutely everyone in the world understood and knew it, so they have to live with this, although history began to be rewritten literally immediately. But there was still some traces of conscience. And now all the brakes are removed. The task is to try to erase the USSR from the history of the Victory over nazism, and ideally - to present it as evil.
And all this, of course, with an eye on modern Russia.
 
Hollywood has been rewriting the war since 1945. One film makes no difference. Britain was no match for Nazi Germany in the 30s.
 
Saving Private Ryan has the most realistic battle scenes ever. It had me shocked. According to Normandy landings veterans themselves it was very realistic.
 
Britain was no match for Nazi Germany in the 30s.
When in 1936 the German army entered the demilitarized Rhineland, for England and France, it was enough to frown and Hitler would have left with his tail between his legs because german troops entered there without ammunition and with an order to immediately retreat in case of discontent of the Allies. Given that the German generals were unhappy with Hitler, such a disgrace could cost him his post.
 
It seems they were a match in 1940. The RAF was anyway.
We managed to stop them invading but that was with the help of allies from \europe and the Commonwealth. So many of the pilots were from countries who had fallen to the Nazis. Poles,Czechs and so on. Hitlers big mistake.
 
When in 1936 the German army entered the demilitarized Rhineland, for England and France, it was enough to frown and Hitler would have left with his tail between his legs because german troops entered there without ammunition and with an order to immediately retreat in case of discontent of the Allies. Given that the German generals were unhappy with Hitler, such a disgrace could cost him his post.
We will never know will we ?
 
The speed with which the history of the Second World War and pre-war Europe is being rewritten is sometimes simply surprising. It seems that the task has been set to do this as quickly as possible, and all the forces have been thrown at it.

Including cinema. Recently, the film "Munich. On the verge of war." In general, a good feature film about one of the key events that led the world to the most terrible war in the history of mankind. A movie with a claim to historical truth. In general, the process of concluding a "deal" is shown quite well and, probably, even relatively truthfully. But…

What do we know about the Munich conspiracy? First of all, the fact that this is the very event that is hardly worth romanticizing. Because it's a disgrace and a betrayal. They say it was an attempt to appease Hitler, but it's hard for me to call it true. At that time, there were other, much more effective ways to appease the Third Reich, which had not yet gained strength. Germany at the time of the Munich Agreement and Germany during the invasion of Poland were very different in strength. In principle, the subject of the "Munich agreement", the Sudetenland of the Czech Republic, and then the anschluss of the whole country became the very element that raised the industrial power of Germany to the necessary height. In addition, the Munich agreement opened the gates to Hitler to the east. And even though Poland participated in the partition of the Czech Republic, having "bitten off" the Tesin region from it, the fate of Poland was also predetermined. Poles might think that they were very close friends and allies of Hitler and that together they were about to pounce on the Soviet Union and tear it apart, but Poland itself was already an aperitif on Adolf Hitler's menu.

France and Great Britain in 1938 had enough strength to solve the problem of Nazi Germany, radically and quickly put an end to Adolf Hitler. Moreover, they could do this by fulfilling their allied obligations during the German invasion of Poland. These two countries were still much stronger than Germany militarily. But the problem is that no one was going to appease Hitler. And the fact that Germany "devoured" Poland, too, did not particularly surprise anyone. For one reason - after Poland, Germany had to attack the USSR, and that suited everyone. Absolutely all the facts point to this: first of all, when the USSR wanted to save the Czech Republic from death in the jaws of a Nazi monster, it was simply not allowed to do so.

The Western powers miscalculated only in one thing —they thought that the monster would be satisfied with the Czech Republic and Poland, (which they "had to protect", but they did not), and would attack the USSR, but before that, Hitler very easily, playfully "cheated" France and created a very big threat to Great Britain. This was not part of the plans of Western politician!.

In general, it is clear that there is a Munich conspiracy — a shameful stain in the history of Western countries, something that unleashed Hitler's hands and pushed him to the beginning of World War II. And now you can convince everyone as much as you want, that the notorious Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is to blame for everything, but for those, who know history, it sounds completely unconvincing.

Let's go back to the Netflix movie. At the end of a fairly good movie there is a brief information in text — just a few sentences. And that's exactly what it is, the main one. I quote:

"The peace between Britain and Germany lasted only a year. Unable to withstand criticism, Neville Chamberlain resigned and died a couple of months later.
During the time won by the Munich Agreement, Britain and its allies managed to prepare for war, thanks to which Germany was defeated."

Read it and think about it. This is exactly what is the key message, what will remain in the head of the Western man in the street, who has watched this film. And there is no place for the USSR and for the Great Patriotic War, in which the Red Army broke the back of the nazi monster. This is an insignificant episode, perhaps the very time during which Great Britain and its allies "managed to prepare for war, thanks to which Germany was defeated." Maybe a movie will be made about this. After all, the term "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" also needs to be revealed to the Western layman correctly, so that there is no doubt, who exactly is to blame for the outbreak of the Second World War. And what kind of battles are these for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk and the capture of Berlin? They have no place in the history, that is being written right now.

Yes, I understand that the Western powers after the war were very uncomfortable with the fact that the USSR saved the whole world from the nazi plague. But then absolutely everyone in the world understood and knew it, so they have to live with this, although history began to be rewritten literally immediately. But there was still some traces of conscience. And now all the brakes are removed. The task is to try to erase the USSR from the history of the Victory over nazism, and ideally - to present it as evil.
And all this, of course, with an eye on modern Russia.
Good God I've poured over Soviet archives for yrs now

Hitler was a pussy compared to Lenin/Stalin/Trotsky

So unreal this is never mentioned........................Leftists kill a lot of people. History tells us that
 
Saving Private Ryan has the most realistic battle scenes ever. It had me shocked. According to Normandy landings veterans themselves it was very realistic.
I loved when the guy was walking with his detached arm tucked under his other arm.....yeeeeeee.....yeeeee....ballz of steel
 
It is just as much a myth that the Russians defeated Nazi Germany as any of the other myths of the war.

The Soviets certainly had the man power but logistics wins wars. The US supplied the Soviets with a tremendous amount of war material. Almost every truck the Soviets had was supplied by the US in addition to a sizeable number of aircraft, artillery and even tanks. The T-38 Soviet made main battle tank was very effective but their infantry used American made Pershings for infantry support.

The Soviets never liked to admit the contribution of Allied supplied war material in turning back the German invasion.

The Allies stopped the Germans from getting Middle East oil, which made thing much easier for the Soviets. Having the invasion of Italy and France tied up almost a million German troops that could have been effective in Russia. British and American bombing of German factories and cities greatly contributed to the inability of the German military to prevail in Russia.

It was the success of American and British air power that attained air superiority over the Germans that enabled the Soviets to not only stop the Germans but push them back.

It was an Allied effort that brought down the Nazis.
 
It is just as much a myth that the Russians defeated Nazi Germany as any of the other myths of the war.
The Soviets certainly had the man power but logistics wins wars. The US supplied the Soviets with a tremendous amount of war material.
The Soviets never liked to admit the contribution of Allied supplied war material in turning back the German invasion.
The myth is only for russophobes and anti-Soviets. During the war, no one doubted the decisive role of the USSR in the victory over Germany.
The USSR always recognized, that the help of the Lend-Lease allies was important, it would be good if you finally recognized, that quantities of Lend-Lease shipments went only after Moscow and Stalingrad. I hope you know about the significance of the Battle of Stalingrad for the whole of World War II?
 
The myth is only for russophobes and anti-Soviets. During the war, no one doubted the decisive role of the USSR in the victory over Germany.
The USSR always recognized, that the help of the Lend-Lease allies was important, it would be good if you finally recognized, that quantities of Lend-Lease shipments went only after Moscow and Stalingrad. I hope you know about the significance of the Battle of Stalingrad for the whole of World War II?
The surrender of the German sixth army. It broke the myth of Nazi superiority and meant the invasion of the Soviet Union would fail. But was it more important than the Normandy invasion or the Battle of Britain? I have not mentioned the Pacific war where Russia did not participate.
 
What???....I just told you.............Read as many Soviet archives I have and maybe we could talk
In the early 90s in the Russian Federation, traitors with great fanfare prepared a trial of "crimes of the CPSU and the prohibition of communist ideology", for which they opened archives. They rummaged and rummaged through...
They received, instead of the desired, research of Zemskoi (A liberal, but honest historian) with the exposure of their own lies.
So they close archives ...
 
The surrender of the German sixth army. It broke the myth of Nazi superiority and meant the invasion of the Soviet Union would fail. But was it more important than the Normandy invasion or the Battle of Britain? I have not mentioned the Pacific war where Russia did not participate.
The end of the myth of nazi invincibility was in december of 1941 near Moscow. Stalingrad was the turning point of WWII.
And with respect, have the japanese ever planned a Victory Parade in Washington in their plans? The war in the Pacific never threatened the existence of the United States, even in the days of Pearl Harbor. So the importance of the front of the war with Japan has always been secondary in the plans of the allies.
And for some reason you forgot about the blitzkrieg of the USSR in the Far East in the august of 1945, without which these words probably would have been realized: "Back in sticks in 46 or Back in heaven in 47"
 
Those who control the present control the past and those who control the past control the future.

Orwel intended 1984 as a cautionary tale, but by the looks of the world today, many see it as an operating manual, instead.
BIG BROTHERHOOD IS WATCHING YOU!

Both Orwell and Machiavelli were lightweights, or else the regime wouldn't have allowed them to be publicized. For example, Orwell's NewSpeak is ridiculous ("double-plus ungood"). But the true and present NewSpeak is, out of many examples of ignorant, dysfunctional, but forcibly accepted grammar, the collectivist, Femininny, and brain-damaging usage of "they" with a singular antecedent, such as "If someone lives in a glass house, they shouldn't throw stones." Yet this is the standard "grammar" on the Netrix.
 
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The speed with which the history of the Second World War and pre-war Europe is being rewritten is sometimes simply surprising. It seems that the task has been set to do this as quickly as possible, and all the forces have been thrown at it.

Including cinema. Recently, the film "Munich. On the verge of war." In general, a good feature film about one of the key events that led the world to the most terrible war in the history of mankind. A movie with a claim to historical truth. In general, the process of concluding a "deal" is shown quite well and, probably, even relatively truthfully. But…

What do we know about the Munich conspiracy? First of all, the fact that this is the very event that is hardly worth romanticizing. Because it's a disgrace and a betrayal. They say it was an attempt to appease Hitler, but it's hard for me to call it true. At that time, there were other, much more effective ways to appease the Third Reich, which had not yet gained strength. Germany at the time of the Munich Agreement and Germany during the invasion of Poland were very different in strength. In principle, the subject of the "Munich agreement", the Sudetenland of the Czech Republic, and then the anschluss of the whole country became the very element that raised the industrial power of Germany to the necessary height. In addition, the Munich agreement opened the gates to Hitler to the east. And even though Poland participated in the partition of the Czech Republic, having "bitten off" the Tesin region from it, the fate of Poland was also predetermined. Poles might think that they were very close friends and allies of Hitler and that together they were about to pounce on the Soviet Union and tear it apart, but Poland itself was already an aperitif on Adolf Hitler's menu.

France and Great Britain in 1938 had enough strength to solve the problem of Nazi Germany, radically and quickly put an end to Adolf Hitler. Moreover, they could do this by fulfilling their allied obligations during the German invasion of Poland. These two countries were still much stronger than Germany militarily. But the problem is that no one was going to appease Hitler. And the fact that Germany "devoured" Poland, too, did not particularly surprise anyone. For one reason - after Poland, Germany had to attack the USSR, and that suited everyone. Absolutely all the facts point to this: first of all, when the USSR wanted to save the Czech Republic from death in the jaws of a Nazi monster, it was simply not allowed to do so.

The Western powers miscalculated only in one thing —they thought that the monster would be satisfied with the Czech Republic and Poland, (which they "had to protect", but they did not), and would attack the USSR, but before that, Hitler very easily, playfully "cheated" France and created a very big threat to Great Britain. This was not part of the plans of Western politician!.

In general, it is clear that there is a Munich conspiracy — a shameful stain in the history of Western countries, something that unleashed Hitler's hands and pushed him to the beginning of World War II. And now you can convince everyone as much as you want, that the notorious Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is to blame for everything, but for those, who know history, it sounds completely unconvincing.

Let's go back to the Netflix movie. At the end of a fairly good movie there is a brief information in text — just a few sentences. And that's exactly what it is, the main one. I quote:

"The peace between Britain and Germany lasted only a year. Unable to withstand criticism, Neville Chamberlain resigned and died a couple of months later.
During the time won by the Munich Agreement, Britain and its allies managed to prepare for war, thanks to which Germany was defeated."

Read it and think about it. This is exactly what is the key message, what will remain in the head of the Western man in the street, who has watched this film. And there is no place for the USSR and for the Great Patriotic War, in which the Red Army broke the back of the nazi monster. This is an insignificant episode, perhaps the very time during which Great Britain and its allies "managed to prepare for war, thanks to which Germany was defeated." Maybe a movie will be made about this. After all, the term "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" also needs to be revealed to the Western layman correctly, so that there is no doubt, who exactly is to blame for the outbreak of the Second World War. And what kind of battles are these for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk and the capture of Berlin? They have no place in the history, that is being written right now.

Yes, I understand that the Western powers after the war were very uncomfortable with the fact that the USSR saved the whole world from the nazi plague. But then absolutely everyone in the world understood and knew it, so they have to live with this, although history began to be rewritten literally immediately. But there was still some traces of conscience. And now all the brakes are removed. The task is to try to erase the USSR from the history of the Victory over nazism, and ideally - to present it as evil.
And all this, of course, with an eye on modern Russia.
I’m not sure the Brits and Poles could have taken Germany in 38. Remember, Brits demilitarized after WW1 because that was the last war to be fought. Poland was just a third world nation. German war machine was fully ramped up and pumping out war equipment as priority one for them.

Brits bought time but squandered it. And we all know what occurred in 40 when the Brits sent over their entire Army to France.
 

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