How Does It Feel To Have Voted For The Unindicted Co-conspirator???

[Donald H]

Contrast "Jan. 6th"(2021) with the "peaceful protests" in several USA cities for months duration in the Summer of "Luv"~2020 where dozens, mostly citizens (and some police), were killed and scores others injured while there were frequent riots, vandalism and looting of private property/business, several arsons, assaults on police stations and Federal building, etc. all carried out by the loonie Leftists, AntiFas, and so-called BLMers.

I have no interest in the contrast when it all amounts to the same destructive behaviour, with both sides defending their sides government corruption.

CHAZ = Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (Federal, State and city laws do not apply here)
Later changed to CHOS = Capital Hill Occupation Site ~ this just in Seattle alone. Repeated in many other cities.

Interesting to see how you are blind to real insurrections!

I'm not blind to any of the 'insurrections'. I've always made that clear on this board. All America's political fighting is outside any semblance of normal for the rest of the world.

In fact, I've provided a lot on understanding the reason why Trump became so popular to ordinary working class Americans.

Jan.6th. really looked like the people were actually going to do something meaningful to change everything. But instead of the threatened coup to take down a corrupt government, it turned into Trump's prank.

What went wrong?

The people were ready and they were showing the support and their resolve. And the guns were hidden close by for when they were neededl.

The only thing missing in their coup attempt was their leader.

He was home safely watching his coup attempt fizzle out on television.

 

[Donald H]

Apparently you are not acknowledging the hatred Iran has towards Israel, which would likely be their first target for their nukes if/when they get them.

I acknowledge the hatred of both sides and I am cognizant of the fact that if both sides are nuclear armed then war will finally be deterred by MAD.

Nor are you aware, or acknowledging how there is the "official" policy from the government of Iran claiming USA is "The Evil Satan" which puts US also on their prime target list.

I'm aware of the Cold war hate rhetoric of both the US and Iran. But much more to the point, we're both aware of America's record of wars in so many countries since the end of WW2.

If the USA were to attack Iran, it would be targeted and precision strikes, such as have been carried out in recent years, not mass bombing of civilians. However it is highly unlikely that the Biden Administration will stand up to and oppose the agendas of Iran.

How can you suggest that America wouldn't slaughter civilians when there are so many instances of exactly that. For only two examples, Iraq and Vietnam, if's as if they don't exist in your mind.

America has bombed an estimated 30 million people to death since 1945.

Thank you for being my backboard for which to rebound some facts and truths.

A better world is possible if we escape nuclear war with Russia.

 

[Donald H]

Except in the case of the Ukraine we see, once again as often is the case, that Russia is the aggressor and the USA so far is doing very little to protect or assist Ukraine with it's or NATO's military.

I view this war too as US aggression through the Ukraine being America's proxy.

Let's just understand that it's America's war against Russia, and leave the placing of blame to the others.

 

[Stryder50]

What other modern first world country performs the death penalty, while providing the means to murder in the millions to everyone and anyone who is hell bent of shooting their fellow citizens?

Socially sound countries a accept the responsibility of dealing with the ills their society has created by turning to attempts to rehabilitate their countries failures.

America, as the exception administers the death penalty for those who are too poor to afford a defense to save themselves.

Nobody of the wealth and status of O.J. Simpson need worry about being put to death by the state!

Why do working class Americans still continue to celebrate that power that the state holds over them? Do they believe the very wealthy deserves better than them?

First, try not distorting and lying about figures that can be readily found and checked. You are off by at least a couple of factors. We in the USA are not doing "murder in the millions" annually. Gun deaths are in the low tens of thousands and over half of those are suicides.

EXCERPT:
....
More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2020 than in any other year on record, according to recently published statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That included a record number of gun murders, as well as a near-record number of gun suicides. Despite the increase in such fatalities, the rate of gun deaths – a statistic that accounts for the nation’s growing population – remains below the levels of earlier years.


Here’s a closer look at gun deaths in the United States, based on a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the CDC, the FBI and other sources. You can also read key public opinion findings about U.S. gun violence and gun policy in our recent roundup.

How many people die from gun-related injuries in the U.S. each year?​

In 2020, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three other, less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were unintentional, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined. The total excludes deaths in which gunshot injuries played a contributing, but not principal, role. (CDC fatality statistics are based on information contained in official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.)
...

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

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Of even greater note is how many crimes are prevented by gun owners;
...

Gun Effectiveness​

I checked online and found some fascinating numbers. A good website with footnotes and references to authoritative sources is GunFacts.info. There I learned the following:

• Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired, and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
• Every year, 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.
• 60 percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. Forty percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
• Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.
• Fewer than 1 percent of firearms are used in the commission of a crime.

If you doubt the objectivity of the site above, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.
....

Guns Prevent Thousands of Crimes Every Day, Research Shows | Lawrence W. Reed

The Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be as high as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day. And there is plenty more evidence showing that guns keep...

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[Stryder50]

What other modern first world country performs the death penalty, while providing the means to murder in the millions to everyone and anyone who is hell bent of shooting their fellow citizens?

Socially sound countries a accept the responsibility of dealing with the ills their society has created by turning to attempts to rehabilitate their countries failures.

America, as the exception administers the death penalty for those who are too poor to afford a defense to save themselves.

Nobody of the wealth and status of O.J. Simpson need worry about being put to death by the state!

Why do working class Americans still continue to celebrate that power that the state holds over them? Do they believe the very wealthy deserves better than them?

"Socially sound countries a accept the responsibility of dealing with the ills their society has created by turning to attempts to rehabilitate their countries failures."

And also, as we've seen in the past couple of centuries, they have generated scores of regional and colonial wars along with starting two world wars.

BTW, in the case of those two world wars, the USA was the one whom saw they were ended and the tyrannies from those "socially sound countries" that were key in starting such were defeated.

 

[Stryder50]

I view this war too as US aggression through the Ukraine being America's proxy.

Let's just understand that it's America's war against Russia, and leave the placing of blame to the others.

Sorry komrade, that is your loonie Leftist/Socialist distortion and propaganda.
Also, the meddling in Ukraine internal affairs was by the Obama admin. and especially our current POTUS.

Please document what you consider to be USA "aggression".

 

[Stryder50]

I have no interest in the contrast when it all amounts to the same destructive behaviour, with both sides defending their sides government corruption.

I'm not blind to any of the 'insurrections'. I've always made that clear on this board. All America's political fighting is outside any semblance of normal for the rest of the world.

In fact, I've provided a lot on understanding the reason why Trump became so popular to ordinary working class Americans.

Jan.6th. really looked like the people were actually going to do something meaningful to change everything. But instead of the threatened coup to take down a corrupt government, it turned into Trump's prank.

What went wrong?

The people were ready and they were showing the support and their resolve. And the guns were hidden close by for when they were neededl.

The only thing missing in their coup attempt was their leader.

He was home safely watching his coup attempt fizzle out on television.

There was no "coup" attempt on Jan. 6,2021, nor "guns hidden nearby".

Trump was not a leader of the events on that day, especially not to the degree that the 120 days of Summer riots and insurrection in 2020 were condoned by Democratic leadership.

You are collectively; blind, prejudiced, biased and delusional.

Trump became popular because he was outside the realm of professional politician, sought to undo much of the "Deep State" corruption of past decades, and wanted to return to founding principles and the provisions of the Constitution ~ all agendas that resonated with at least half of this country.

 

[Donald H]

There was no "coup" attempt on Jan. 6,2021, nor "guns hidden nearby".

You're quoting me too often and it's annoying. If you must, arrange all your arguments together in one thoughtful post.

 

[Stryder50]

You're quoting me too often and it's annoying. If you must, arrange all your arguments together in one thoughtful post.

I'm quoting your posts for context and reference per the subject of my replies.

Unless you are paying me to post, you have no say in the matter.

This does display your lack of mental flexibility.

 

[Donald H]

3. Hussein Obama put the gun in Nikolas Cruz's hands.....

.....and nuclear weapons in the grasp of the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism.

Iran Says No More Nuclear Negotiations, Blames US for Impasse - News From Antiwar.com

Iran Says No More Nuclear Negotiations, Blames US for Impasse | Iran will return to Vienna to sign deal, waiting for US to settle issues

news.antiwar.com

Iran is likely using the opportunity of America already involved in a war, and so has said they've had enough with negotiating.

The other parties in the nuclear agreement with Iran will have to decide which side has maintained credibility.

I don't see much possibility of any new deal replacing the one Trump tore up.

Do you?
Can you address the topic you've initiated without more cut and paste spamming?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently you are not acknowledging the hatred Iran has towards Israel, which would likely be their first target for their nukes if/when they get them.

Nor are you aware, or acknowledging how there is the "official" policy from the government of Iran claiming USA is "The Evil Satan" which puts US also on their prime target list.

If the USA were to attack Iran, it would be targeted and precision strikes, such as have been carried out in recent years, not mass bombing of civilians. However it is highly unlikely that the Biden Administration will stand up to and oppose the agendas of Iran.

Somehow, these Leftists are copacetic with any slaughter involving Jewish folks.

 

[Stryder50]

Somehow, these Leftists are copacetic with any slaughter involving Jewish folks.

Yup!
We saw that in the lead up to WWII;
And also in the founding and continued existence of Israel.

 

[Donald H]

Somehow, these Leftists are copacetic with any slaughter involving Jewish folks.

It's an eye for an eye but I stop short of gas ovens and coal fired ovens.

The extreme right has no reservations at all.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yup!
We saw that in the lead up to WWII;
And also in the founding and continued existence of Israel.

An idea that is beginning to coalesce in my view is that the hatred of Israel may center on the term 'socialist."

Mao…greatest mass murderer in the history of mankind.
Stalin was number two on the hit parade, and Hitler, number three.
Democrat Party has disrespect for human life in their DNA, as well...
And, coincidently, all had the word ‘socialist’ associated with them.

Israel was originally founded based on communism/socialism. Not anymore.

The community farms in Israel’s origin, Kibbutzim, were all communist/socialist. Almost all of them have become capitalist.

Not long ago, I traveled in the Middle East, and stayed at a hotel that was originally a socialist farm, the hotel kibbutz, Hagoshrim.

Passover Vacation at Hagoshrim Kibbutz & Resort Hotel




Were given a lecture by Hannah Levi, who has worked at Hagoshim for over 60 years....from its communist beginnings to the current, capitalist principles.


“In 1967, when the kibbutz opened its first 10 guest rooms, Ms. Levi asked to work in that section. It was one of the first to focus on tourism. In the past 20 years, many kibbutzes have adopted a capitalistic approach. Now roughly 80 percent of them are for-profit. Ten percent have remained communal collectives using the old socialist model, and the remaining 10 percent are religious.

Today, HaGoshrim has 225 members and 100 children. Members are paid salaries, but there is no communal dining room or laundry for the workers.

"It's hard for older members to accept this change. I'm sorry capitalism didn't come along 40 years ago," Ms. Levi said.
"Israeli Kibbutz transformed from farm to resort"
Israeli Kibbutz transformed from farm to resort



One more 'vote' against socialism, and for capitalism.


Maybe the reason all the socialists,......including the one you were just conversing with......hate Israel.

 

[Donald H]

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A brief history of the Trump administration’s flirtation with Holocaust denial​

Spicer’s claim that Hitler didn’t use chemical weapons wasn’t a one-off gaffe.
By Jacob Gardenswartz@gardenswartzj Apr 12, 2017, 2:20pm EDT

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Sean Spicer shocked many when he falsely claimed on Tuesday that "Hitler didn't even sink to the level of using chemical weapons” during World War II. In normal times, it would probably have been enough to end the career of a spokesperson. But, we are continually reminded, these are not normal times.
Trump and his people are far too familiar with gaffes involving the Holocaust. Spicer’s Tuesday comments are but the latest in a series of anti-Semitic dog whistles and Holocaust denials emanating from the president, his staff, and his family.
Here’s a quick refresher:

1) Trump tweets an anti-Semitic meme and calls it a “sheriff’s star”​

A since-deleted tweet from July 2, 2016.
It’s the summer of 2016, the election campaigns are still being waged, and Trump has just tweeted an image depicting Hillary Clinton with a Star of David and the phrase “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” atop a bed of dollar bills. As Vox’s Matt Yglesias explained, the graphic initially surfaced on an 8chan forum, a hub of white supremacist alt-right internet trolls. And despite Trump’s fervent defense that the six-pointed star was really a “Sheriff’s Star, or plain star!” white nationalists the likes of David Duke seemed to be able to read between the lines about what the image really meant.

2) Donald Trump Jr. denies “warming up the gas chamber” is a reference to the Holocaust​

Flash forward to September, when Trump’s son Donald Jr. compares the media treatment of his father to the atrocities of Holocaust concentration camps. In an interview with Philadelphia-based conservative radio host Chris Stigall on September 14, Trump Jr. claimed that if his father acted like Hillary Clinton, news media would “be warming up the gas chamber right now.”

The media has been her number one surrogate in this. Without the media, this wouldn't even be a contest. But the media has built her up. They've let her slide on every indiscrepancy, on every lie, on every DNC game trying to get Bernie Sanders out of the thing…
I mean, if Republicans were doing that, they'd be warming up the gas chamber right now. It's a very different system — there's nothing fair about it”

Trump’s campaign was quick to deny that the “gas chamber” comment had anything to do with the Holocaust. "Don Jr. was clearly referring to capital punishment to make the case that the media continues to take words out of context in order to serve as the propaganda arm of the Hillary Clinton campaign,” Trump communications adviser Jason Miller said in a statement. Trump Jr. told NBC News’s Katy Tur that he was referring to executions in general, not the Holocaust, and often uses the phrase “electric chair” to make the same point.

3) The White House Holocaust Remembrance Day statement doesn’t mention Jews​

The trend didn’t stop once Trump took office. On January 27, International Holocaust Remembrance Day, the White House issued a short statement honoring the “victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust.” The statement did not, however, note that 6 million of those victims happened to be Jews.
During the ensuing controversy, the Trump administration defended its statement, arguing that Jews were not specifically mentioned because there were other groups targeted during the Holocaust. Spokesperson Hope Hicks told CNN, “we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered.” Many, from historian Deborah Lipstadt to Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Director Jonathan Greenblatt, were critical of the statement, with some going so far as to dub it “Holocaust denial.”
Politico later revealed that the White House had, in fact, been presented with a statement that mentioned the Jewish people, but blocked its release and went with its own version instead. Trump administration staff continue to stand behind the statement. Meanwhile, the neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer celebrated the administration’s omission of Jewish suffering.

4) Trump: questions about anti-Semitism are “insulting”​

In a February 16 news conference, Trump was asked by journalist Jake Turx about the rise in anti-Semitic incidents in the US following his election and the epidemic of bomb threats against Jewish organizations. He proceeded to cut Turx off, belittle his question, and deny any anti-Semitism from himself or his campaign:

He said he was going to ask a easy question — okay sit down, I understand the rest of your question. Folks, number one, I am the least anti-Semitic person that you have seen in your entire life. Number two, racism. The least racist.
We did relatively well — quiet, quiet, quiet — see he lied about what was going to be a very straight simple question. I hate the charge. I find it repulsive, I hate even the question because people that know me and you heard the Prime Minister, you heard Netanyahu yesterday. Did you hear him, Bibi, he said I've known Donald Trump for a long time and said forget it so you should take that instead of getting up and asking a very insulting question like that. Just shows you about the press but that's the way the press is.

Jewish organizations were aghast at the way Trump brushed aside legitimate fears of anti-Semitism and violence against Jews. The ADL issued a statement calling Trump’s response “mind-boggling,” while the American Jewish Committee implored the president “not to bully reporters asking questions potentially affecting millions of fellow Americans.”
About a week later, Trump formally condemned the “horrible” and “painful” anti-Semitic threats targeting Jewish community centers, calling them “a very sad reminder of the work that still must be done to root out hate and prejudice and evil.” Still, some Jewish groups felt like his statement was too little, too late.
“The president’s sudden acknowledgment of anti-Semitism is a Band-Aid on the cancer of anti-Semitism that has infected his own administration,” executive director of the Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect Steven Goldstein told the New York Times. “When President Trump responds to anti-Semitism proactively and in real time, and without pleas and pressure, that’s when we’ll be able to say this president has turned a corner. This is not that moment.”

5) Spicer and Hitler and chemical weapons​

Which brings us to Tuesday, April 11, when Sean Spicer falsely said that Hitler didn’t use chemical weapons during the Holocaust, drawing a distinction to what Syrian President Bashar al-Assad did to his people. In his attempts to clarify, Spicer didn’t do himself any favors:

I think when you come to sarin gas, there was no … he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way that Assad is doing. There was not … he brought them into the Holocaust centers, I understand that. But what I’m saying is the way that Assad used them, where he went into towns, dropped them, the use of it — I appreciate the clarification, [denying that Hitler used gas] was not the intent.

Aside from the bizarre labeling of concentration camps as “Holocaust centers,” Spicer’s follow-up is again false. As Vox’s Zach Beauchamp explained, “Prior to the construction of gas chambers, SS soldiers would drive around so-called ‘gas vans’ — vehicles with hermetically sealed compartments that could be flooded with poison gas — and used them to execute Jews in, yes, their towns.”
Spicer has since apologized for the remarks, saying on CNN he didn’t want to distract from Trump’s attempts to “destabilize the region.” He’s continued on this apology tour, telling NBC’s Peter Alexander, “I’m absolutely sorry, especially during a week like this, to make a comparison that is inappropriate and inexcusable.”
After Spicer’s latest controversy, many were quick to point to Godwin’s Law, the so-called “first rule of politics.” The term was coined by Mike Godwin, the famed internet lawyer and journalist, who argued that you should never, ever make Hitler comparisons, as they will rarely serve you well.
Unfortunately, the Trump administration hasn’t seemed to learn this lesson.
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I bet you hear that quite often!

 

[Stryder50]

It's an eye for an eye but I stop short of gas ovens and coal fired ovens.

The extreme right has no reservations at all.

Other way around komrade.
As we see here from blue state New York where extreme Left runs things;

New York State Supports Hamas, Muzzles Anti-Islamist Reporter​

New York State Supports Hamas, Muzzles Anti-Islamist Reporter

New Yorkers are currently suffering through an epidemic of violent crime that is diminishing the quality of life of the nation's most-burdened taxpayers. And what is state attorney general Letitia James doing about it? Pushing back against the so-called

www.meforum.org

 

[alang1216]

Guess who avoided suspensions and arrests as a result......and thereby passed a background check for the gun.

I see that you are a proponent of gun control.

As for the school suspensions issue, I believe that studies have shown that they are disproportionately given to students of color where a white child who committed the same offense would get off with a lesser punishment. You issue should be the racial disparity that the numbers show.

But at least you're for gun control, that's nice.

 

[elektra]

It's an eye for an eye but I stop short of gas ovens and coal fired ovens.

The extreme right has no reservations at all.

We have minor reservations, we dont like the democrats performing coat hangar abortions on babies

 

[PoliticalChic]

We have minor reservations, we dont like the democrats performing coat hangar abortions on babies

Maybe you saw this.....the sort of blatant lies that Democrats live on:


.....sometimes the lies so jaw-droppingly stupid that you can only laught at it and at them.


Here's one .....


Whoopi Goldberg gives fiery speech on 'The View' about abortion amid ...yahoo.com› entertainment › whoopi-goldberg-the-view-scotus-leak-abortion-164542128.html
Goldberg continued, "Well, we got tired of tripping over women in bathrooms, public bathrooms, who were giving themselves abortions because there was nowhere safe, nowhere clean, nowhere to go....

 

[otto105]

3. Hussein Obama put the gun in Nikolas Cruz's hands.....

.....and nuclear weapons in the grasp of the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism.


Same difference.


I wonder if this is why you Democrats are no longer calling him god, Jesus and the messiah?

Looks like it was this guy ruskie.

And the law in FLA was 18 at the time.

Gun dealer who sold Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz AR-15 style rifle testifies at penalty trial

So, maybe you can vibrate your bagina for Obama in quiet.