How do you feel about Israel's new "request" for more money?

[Frankeneinstein]

And laughing at Jews murdered by Zionists seems to be yours:

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what does that have to do with me? in fact it makes the case against you genius

 

[Churchill]

Why indeed? Israel has pretty much stopped trying to make any further deals with Hamas, Hezbollah or Fatah.

By that logic, Celts in Wales are morally justified in killing Anglo Saxon/Norman folks in England and driving them out of their country. After all, they were there first!

Do you actually dispute that Palestinian Arabs have dwelled in Palestine for longer than 80 years?

Really! They routinely bomb Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and every other country they've signed a peace deal with. I must have missed those news stories.

I made no claims of those state being bombed by Israel, although some were in the past.

Agree to disagree.

Arabs and Jews lived in peace only as long as it was under Arab rule. But I can see how the Arabs who were displaced would be upset. They're all dead now, of old age. Maybe in another century when their kids and grandkids are dead, the next generation will finally move on.

There's no history of Arab "antisemitism" toward Jews either before or during the period of Ottoman rule. These people lived largely peacefully as neighbors, watch:



Palestine was under Ottoman (not Arab) rule for 400 years. The Arabs were the vast majority in Palestine during that time, but they wanted self determination, freedom from Ottoman (Turkic) rule. They agreed during WW1 to aid the British in dislodging the Ottomans in return for British support for self determination of all the people living in Palestine.

The British double crossed them, did a secret deal with the allies and Zionists and so we have a people ruled by foreigners for 400 years, seeking elimination of that yoke only for it to be replaced with one far worse. Britain bares much of the blame for the misery we see today in Palestine.

It's true that Europeans were (and apparently some still are) virulently antisemitic. I've never understood it myself.

Of course it's true, the Holocaust emerged from European Christian civilization, not Arab, not Muslim.

The neo-Zionist ideology that today plagues Palestine is evil to the core, it is a monstrous racial supremacist almost demonic force that has brought nothing but misery to all parties and continues to deceive even seemingly intelligent men.

Insinuation noted.

 

[Eman623]

Do you actually dispute that Palestinian Arabs have dwelled in Palestine for longer than 80 years?

Of course not. I'm not even sure how you got to that conclusion.

And technically, Jews have lived in Palestine even longer than Muslims and Arabs.

I made no claims of those state being bombed by Israel, although some were in the past.

I said Israel has signed peace deals with many of their neighbors and you said Israel - and I quote - "routinely bomb these neighbors". They have not signed any peace deals with Lebanon or Syria, so again I have no idea how you concluded they are in the group of countries that have signed deals.

There's no history of Arab "antisemitism" toward Jews either before or during the period of Ottoman rule. These people lived largely peacefully as neighbors, watch:

We are in agreement. Jews are okay only so long as they are not ruling.

 

[Churchill]

Of course not. I'm not even sure how you got to that conclusion.

And technically, Jews have lived in Palestine even longer than Muslims and Arabs.

Well you mentioned 80 years, forgive me if you meant something else.

I said Israel has signed peace deals with many of their neighbors and you said Israel - and I quote - "routinely bomb these neighbors". They have not signed any peace deals with Lebanon or Syria, so again I have no idea how you concluded they are in the group of countries that have signed deals.

We are in agreement. Jews are okay only so long as they are not ruling.

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[Frankeneinstein]

Jewish journalists have said that the war in Gaza constitutes the worst civilian death ratio in recent modern warfare.

did they say what constitutes "modern"

 

[Hafar1014]

May one of you might point out why Israel needs so much military aid if they essentially have only one military adversary, Iran.

No offense but a really stupid question. Iran funds wars by supporting proxies.

 

[Churchill]

May one of you might point out why Israel needs so much military aid if they essentially have only one military adversary, Iran.

Because it seeks military dominance of the Levant and has from the beginning. It occupies part of the West bank, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria for example, its own borders have always been fluid, never demarcated.

It seeks territorial expansion, it tries to justify this border creep by claiming its neighbors are a threat and this is the mantra, provocation, reaction, claims of threats, retaliation and border creep and the cycle repeats year in year out.

It must maintain the facade that Israel is always the victim, always reacting to the innate hostility of its neighbors. It is that pretense that enables the project to continue, so long as the West's gullible population buy this fantasy the project can continue.

There are Zionist voices that claim all of this territory must one day be under Jewish domination.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

May one of you might point out why Israel needs so much military aid if they essentially have only one military adversary, Iran.

Who is foolish enough to make themselves a military adversary of a nation with that kind of military aid?.."peace through strength" works.

 

[Churchill]

Who is foolish enough to make themselves a military adversary of a nation with that kind of military aid?.."peace through strength" works.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

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[Frankeneinstein]

OK, proof we should have minded our own business, that does not mean we should abandon our loyal ally...post WWII shortly after your lives were spared/saved you guys kicked the jews out of europe, all you did was pick up where hitler left off and show the world the proper way to institute anti-semitic policies to rid europe and the world of the jews, and it continues today with Israel who btw have/has succeeded in a place that saw europeans thrown out.

 

[alang1216]

Yeah…..all those international human rights organizations are pro-Arab.

The Jews NEVER broke into a Muslim civilian town, on a Muslim holiday yet, and tortured to death - with full intent and in the most agonizing ways possible - 1200 innocent Muslims.

No moral equivalence between the Palestinians, who celebrate around the coffins of dead Jewish babies, and the Jews. Your leftism just makes you side against Da Joos.

I'm sure there are no Palestinians that have horror stories about how they were treated by Israelis. I don't take either side since I feel both sides have blood on their hands.

 

[Lisa558]

I'm sure there are no Palestinians that have horror stories about how they were treated by Israelis. I don't take either side since I feel both sides have blood on their hands.

And right…..there goes that “both sides” stuff that leftists say when they can’t admit the truth: NOTHING compares to the intentional torture to death of 1200 innocent Jews commited by the Islamic savages on Oct 7.

”Both sides” did not do that.

 

[alang1216]

Oslo was not a one-sided deal. It would have created the fabled two-state solution.

Why did Palestinians reject the Oslo accords?

Palestinian rejection of the
Oslo Accords (1993–1995) was not uniform; while the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) initially signed them, the agreements faced intense opposition from various factions and intellectuals for several key reasons:

1. Lack of a Guaranteed Palestinian State
A primary criticism was that the accords did not explicitly guarantee the creation of an independent Palestinian state. Instead, they established the Palestinian Authority (PA) as an "interim" self-government for a five-year transitional period, leaving the "final status" of statehood, borders, and sovereignty for future negotiations.

2. Continued Settlement Expansion
Many Palestinians viewed the Accords as a "political cover" for Israel to continue building settlements. During the Oslo years, the number of Israeli settlers in the West Bank nearly doubled, which was seen as a betrayal that physically undermined the possibility of a viable future state.

3. Unresolved "Final Status" Issues
The Accords deferred the most contentious issues to a later date, including:

• The Right of Return: The agreements did not address the rights of millions of Palestinian refugees.
• Jerusalem: No resolution was provided for the status of East Jerusalem, which Palestinians claim as their capital.
• Borders and Security: Israel maintained exclusive military control over Area C (60% of the West Bank) and continued to control all borders.

4. Ideological and Strategic Opposition

• Militant Groups: Organizations like Hamas and Islamic Jihad rejected the Accords because they refused to recognize Israel's right to exist and viewed the PLO's concessions as a surrender of historic Palestinian land.
• Intellectuals: Prominent Palestinian-American scholar Edward Said famously called the Accords a "Palestinian Versailles," arguing they turned the PA into "Israel's policeman" and trapped Palestinians in a "kingdom of illusions" while maintaining the reality of occupation.

5. Economic Dependency
The Paris Protocol, the economic part of the Accords, was criticized for institutionalizing Palestinian dependency on the Israeli economy and tax transfers, which many argued prevented true economic development.

 

[alang1216]

And right…..there goes that “both sides” stuff that leftists say when they can’t admit the truth: NOTHING compares to the intentional torture to death of 1200 innocent Jews commited by the Islamic savages on Oct 7.

”Both sides” did not do that.

So ALL Jews are innocent and ALL Palestinians are guilty? Got it.

 

[alang1216]

Israel offered the Palestinians 95% of the land they wanted. But they REJECTED it. And why? Because it was conditioned on their accepting Israel’s right to exist.

And their goal is to eliminate Israel.

Take off your anti-Jew Democrat blinders and do some research.
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Edited to add: CORRECTION. The Jews offered the Palestinians 97% (97%!!) of what they asked for - and they STILL turned down the peace deal.

Scroll down to 2001.

https://jewishphilly.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/israels-search-for-peace.pdf

Answered here.

 

[MisterBeale]

Millions are losing their health care coverage but Israel will get it's missiles.

Or another way to look at it. . . because funding in a government budget is fungible, we could say that Israel spends their money on weapons while using the money from Americans losing their coverage on Israels, just so they can have affordable healthcare and education.


IMO, that is something every American should think about when they are paying medical bills and tuition fees.

 

[Lisa558]

So ALL Jews are innocent and ALL Palestinians are guilty? Got it.

And boom! Another ridiculous tactic of the leftist when they are losing an argument: put words in the mouth of the opponent and force her to argue against something she never said.

Got it.

 

[Lisa558]

Or another way to look at it. . . because funding in a government budget is fungible, we could say that Israel spends their money on weapons while using the money from Americans losing their coverage on Israels so they can affordable healthcare and education.


IMO, that is something every American should think about when they are paying medical bills and tuition fees.

Point 1:
Or another way to look at it is that of the $160 billion we spend on illegals, $4 billion MORE could have gone to put them up in hotels instead of providing that to Israel. IOW, you’re more upset about giving $4 billion to Israelis than $160 billion to illegal aliens.

Point 2:
Why just target on DA Joos? We give even more to Arab countries, and that money could go to Americans’ medical costs. Why the double standard?

Point 3:
We gave $160 billion to Ukraine. Just think of how much MORE good we could have done with that money! Instead, you’re more focused on the $4 billion to Da Joos.

Your double standards reveal your anti-Israel bias, which is driven by hostility toward Jews.