Originally posted by proud_savagette
if you would just read through the posts then you'd find more than enough information from new guy, all of which i agree with but really don't want to retype. However, if you wish me to find more, I shall do so.
No need as I have read his posts already but again he proves nothing but his own faith.
The internal evidences are those things internal to the Bible itself that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly GodÂ’s Word is seen in its unity.
Unity???? NOT PROOF !!!!
Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years by more that 40 authors, who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction.
Without contradiction? Here are just eight contradictions out of many, many more in the NT Gospels.
(1) According to Mark, chapter 8, verse 12, Jesus says: "In truth, no sign shall be given (by me) to this generation (which refers to the generation of Jews who rejected his claims)." John chapter 12 verse 37 (cf. Acts chapter 2 verse 22) says, in evident contradiction, that Jesus gave "many signs" to this same disbelieving generation of Jews.
(2) Mark, chapter 6, verse 5 says that Jesus "could do no miracle" on at least one occasion. The word is could (not would) which means it was not possible for Jesus to perform a miracle at that time. But Mark, chapter 10, verse 27 says just the opposite, that "with God all things are possible." Hence, Jesus is eliminated as a god.
(3) In John, chapter 5, verse 31, Jesus supposedly says: "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." But a little later he reportedly exclaims: "Even if I bear witness of myself, yet my witness is true (John 8:14)." Furthermore, to make matters even more confused and conflicted, this passage was added to the Christian Bible in the sixth century. It is first found in a paper called "Liber Appologeticus" in the fourth century. It is noted that the words are sixth century additions to the original text. The footnote in the Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation, says these words are "not in any of the early Greek manuscripts or in the earliest manuscripts of the Vulgate itself." It is interesting that the Catholic church, who originally added this verse would admit now that it a spurious addition to the Greek Testament!
(4) It is supposedly the Last Supper. John, chapter 13, verse 36 has Peter ask Jesus: "Where are you going?" Then John, chapter 14, verse 5 has Thomas say to him: "We know not where you are going." But John, chapter 16, verse 5, has Jesus reply: "None of you are asking me where I'm going!" Because Peter asked Jesus where he was going, it is very clear that Jesus has deliberately lied.
(5) In John, chapter 7, verse 38, Jesus reportedly says: "Scripture said: 'From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water'." There is no such passage in the Hebrew Old Testament or anything resembling it.
(6) Matthew 2:23 says that: "He came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, he shall be called a Nazarene." There is no mention of this in the Ketuvim (the prophets). This narrated prophecy does not even exist! In the Old Testament (King James Version), the words "Nazareth" and "Nazarene" do not ever appear!
(7) John 17:12 mentions a "son of perdition" and says the "scriptures are being fulfilled." There is no reference, however, to a "son of perdition" in the Old Testament (Torah).
(8) Jesus says that it was Zechariah, son of Berechiah, who was killed in the Temple courtyard (Matthew 23:35). Apparently Jesus didn't read the Bible very closely or he would have known it was another Zechariah, whose father was Jehoiada, who was killed there (II Chronicles 24:2-22).
This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words as God moved men in such a way that they recorded His very words.
Not proven. This is your opinion....
Another of the internal evidences that indicate the Bible is truly GodÂ’s Word is seen in the detailed prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, to the future of certain cities, to future of mankind and to the coming of one who would be the Messiah, the Savior of not only Israel but all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those done by Nostradames the Biblical prophecies are extremely detailed and have never failed to come true. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament alone.
Name just one prophecy of the coming of a visible man-god without twisting them and give exactly where Jesus is referred to in the Old Testament. That would be a real eye opener....
Not only was it foretold where he would be born and what family he would come from but also how he would die and that He would raise again on the third day.
HE? Again show me the name of Jesus Christ being born anywhere and his family lineage (paternal lineage for Jesus' and the Jewish people). Show me the 3 full days that Jesus was buried and rose. (Friday afternoon - Saturday afternoon = 1 day and Saturday afternoon to Sunday morning = 1/2 day. There seems to be a problem here alright.
There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy as the Bible does.
Do you have archeological or original text evidence that these prophecies were fulfilled?
A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is seen in its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two internal evidences, it is no less a very powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible has a unique authority that is unlike any other book ever written.
The only internal or external evidence of the bible is seen in what unique authority or power? Unlike any other book ever written, it is a best seller and that fact makes it factual. I guess????
This authority and power is best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by reading the Bible. Drug addicts have been cured by it, homosexuals have been set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats have been transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners are rebuked by it and hate has been turned to love by reading it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly GodÂ’s Word.
How many countless lives have been transfored by the Budda, the Zoriastrians, the Muslims, the totem poles of the first indigenous Americans. They too had their lives changed for the better until they were tortured and murdered into accepting Jesus Christ and his shed blood.
Besides the internal evidence that the Bible is truly GodÂ’s Word there is also external evidences that indicate the Bible is truly the Word of God. One of those evidences is the historicity of the Bible. Because the Bible details historical events itÂ’s truthfulness and accuracy is subject to verification like any other historical documentation.
Uh, where is the New Tesament Gospel proved by historical documentation? This should be good. Saying that the NT is the word of god must mean that you have some first hand knowledge of same. Could you give a real source other than the gospels written many years after Christ's death and by people who never knew the live man-god?
Through both archaeological evidences and other written documents, the historical accounts of the Bible have been proven time and time again to be accurate and true. In fact all the archaeological and manuscript evidence supporting the Bible makes it the best documented book from the ancient world.
Saying that there is archeological and original manuscript evidence supporting the bible must be great. Where do you find such evidence proving the NT?
The fact that the Bible accurately and truthfully records historically verifiable events is a great indication of its truthfulness when dealing with religious subjects and doctrines and helps substantiate its claim that it is the very Word of God.
Where did you say you found this evidence of truthfulness with religious subjects and doctrines? Please substantiate your claims.
Another external evidence that the Bible is truly GodÂ’s Word is the integrity of the human authors. As mentioned earlier God used men from many walks of life to record His Words to us. In studying the lives of these men there is no good reason to believe that they were not honest and sincere men.
Studying the lives of unknown men is a real tricky business in proving that they didn't lie or use PRETENSE to get pagans to come to Christ.
Philippians 1
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in PRETENSE, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Examining their lives and the fact that they were willing to die, often excruciating deaths, for what they believed it quickly becomes clear that these ordinary yet honest men truly believed that God had spoken to them. The men who wrote the New Testament and many hundreds of other believers (I Corinthians 15:6) knew the truth of their message because they had seen and spent time with Jesus Christ after He had rose from the dead. The transformation that seeing the Risen Christ had on these men was tremendous. They went from hiding in fear to being willing to die for the message God had revealed to them. Their lives and deaths testify to the fact that the Bible truly is GodÂ’s Word.
Yep so many willing to die for their faith is really proof for certain. And so few who saw an almost dead Christ recover from his crucifixion injuries in just about three days is certainly proof that he rose from the dead.
A final external evidence that the Bible is truly GodÂ’s Word is the indestructibility of the Bible. Because of its importance and its claim to be the very word of God, the Bible has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history.
Yep that's proof alright. The Old Testament is 1,300 + years older than the New Testament. See earliest copies in Jerusalem at the museum of the Dead Sea Scrolls and they too continue to exist without once mentioning Christ Jesus. This is no evidence that they are valid because the Old Testament has been destroyed by so many over the centuries since Christ and yet remain letter for letter to this day without revisions or English Kings or movie stars remaking them in their own minds.
From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern day atheists and agonistics the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still the most widely published book in the world today. Throughout time skeptics have regarded the Bible as mythological but archeology has established it as historical.
Therefore it should be no problem for you to give a place to look for copies in archeology finds of the New Testament from the time of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. That would give some evidence if you could do it.
Opponents have attacked its teaching as primitive and outdated but its moral and legal concepts and teachings have had a positive influence on societies and cultures throughout the world. It continues to be attacked by science, psychology and political movements and yet remains just as true and relevant today as it was when it was first written.
Is that so?
It is a book that has transformed countless lives and cultures throughout the last 2000 years.
And the Koran has changed countless lives and cultures in the past 1400 years or so; it also must be real and not fiction since it transformed hundreds of millions of lives.
No matter how its opponents try to attack, destroy or discredit it the Bible remains just as strong, just a true and just as relevant after the attacks as it was before. The accuracy in which it has been preserved despite every attempt to corrupt, attack or destroy it is clear testimony to the fact that the Bible is truly GodÂ’s Word.
Yep that is REAL proof. Can't counter that one......
It should not surprise us that no matter how the Bible is attacked it always comes out unchanged and unscathed. After all Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.” Mark 13:31. After looking at the evidence one can say without a doubt that “Yes the Bible is truly God’s Word.”
Unchanged and Unscathed you say? Lets see which of the following versions are unchanged or unscathed?
New International Version
New American Standard Bible
The Message
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
New Life Version
English Standard Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21st Century King James Version
American Standard Version
Worldwide English (New Testament)
Young's Literal Translation
Darby Translation
Wycliffe New Testament
New International Reader's Version
New International Version - UK
Catholoic New Testament
plus the fact that i'm not dead is proof enough more me. If this statement perhaps isn't obvious ask me about it later. if you wish.
Are you certain that you are not dead? What proof do you have that you exist?
Sorry but you have not given anything more than your own ideas, feelings and church taught dogma. This is not considered proof by any stretch of the imagination.
