As for the spread of Islam. Read any book like Islam Exposed etc etc and it becomes abundantly clear that Islam is not like other religions. In it's roots it is geared towards warrior desert people and specifically towards Mohamed's meglomaniacal personality. Mohamed was a failure for much of his early life which is why the Muslem calender starts with his military victory in Medina as opposed to his birth (our calendar start with Jesus' birth .. in theory anyway). It absolutely spread through the sword. Not only was Mohamed raiding caravans, he was enlisting more cronies and representing himself as a religious elite. There are many stories of tribes being brought to the sword and sold into slavery depending on Mohamed's whim. This was not a sane man. Mohamed especially hated the Jews though, since they where in the area and absolutely refused to accept him as a prophet. For this Jews are described as decendents of monkeys and pigs (something like that), and put to the sword by Mohamed. One lovely story tells of an entire tribe of Jews being put to the sword and when it was over Mohamed takes the Jewish chieftain's daughter to his tent and rapes her. See, Islam is not so much about truth as it is the constant violence to defend the name of an idiot ... Mohamed. Here is a guy that can't differentiate between Miriam, Moses' sister, and Mary, Jesus' mother. Not the sharpest tool for being a prophet ... just a tool. It is over this man's retardation of an entire section of the world that we are fighting now. If you are Muslem, and are nice to non-Moslems, than you may be a great guy in my eyes, but you are a bad Muslem at the same time. Islam is not, and was never meant to be, a peaceful religion. It's the PCP to the opiates of the masses. This is just my opinion, but shame on all those that know what Islam is really about and still convert to it or attempt to appease it. I believe it should not be a legally recognized religion in the US as it calls for the destruction of the US. Not just the US mind you, all that is not Muslem. I can get you proof from Muslem activities and from the Quoran itself. Long story short ... notall Muslems bad, but Islam definitely bad.
How did Islam spread?
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DaTroof said:
UnGodliness has killed more people than any religion. The problem is not with the religious of the world, it is with those that attempt to lead them and just about every leader has been more without God than with. That is why it often appears the religions themselves are violent. Then, when you combine that with outright omission of God from leadership, you truly have death and destruction. Communism, totalitarianism, etc. have all killed more than religious leadership. When you look at areas of the world with truly violent pasts, you see that places like Korea, Japan and China, while often proclaiming to adhere to Buddhist tenants, use Confucianism and Totenism when ruling and that usually leads to violent clashes with their neighbors. In the west, communism and totalitarianism, which are empty of God, kill more. So therefore, my conclusion is that it is unGodliness that has killed more people in the world than anything else.
Again, it was the leadership.
You say you "keep a skeptical eye on religions simply for the fact that power invites corruption." You aren't implying that socialism and secularism do not also, if not more so, lead to corruption, are you?
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Yup. EVERY organised religion has done things in the past that have been extremely detrimental to people who don't belong to that religion. Islam is the only one that hasn't emerged from barbarianism yet.dilloduck said:
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When a house is being destroyed from a termite infestation, you kill the termites to save the house. To "rebuild" Iraq, you have to kill the militants who hide in mosques and blow up innocent Iraqi policemen. Every militant that the US kills goes a long way towards rebuilding Iraq.Arabian said:
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Arabian's rants kind of make you wonder what the media is like in Egypt. If Americans complain about the liberal bias of American news outlets, can you imagine the Muslim/anti-US bias of Arabic news outlets? The very fact that he can say something likeSaid1 said:
in response to "Iraqi insurgents are blowing up Iraqi civilians" tells me that either he is truly mentally unstable, or he has been hearing some very interesting things in the news.
DaTroof said:
What are you talking about? You can't even spell the terms correctly and you type as if you are educated in the area of Islam. Jews came from pigs and monkeys? Please find me that verse in the "Quoran". The prophet (pbuh) can't differentiate between Miriam, Jesus's mother, etc. What? I am not surprised when you refer to something as objective as "Islam exposed." Well you did get one thing right, this is just your opinion.
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HorhayAtAMD said:
You can get most ME papers in English on-line.
This site is pretty good. http://www.world-newspapers.com/
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Arabian said:
Moses spoke Hebrew, not Arabic.
Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Arabic.
Who is true now, man?
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Arabian,
Just because the words are in your Quran, does not mean that any Arab followed them. For instance, there is not ONE Arab nation on the earth today the follows truly Sharia law, even thought many claim they do. So, following you logic, if one does not follow the Quran, they are sinners. No?
Think about it. Many things are said in the Quran, very few things are actually carried out, in that, the Quran does say some good things, however, most muslims fail to obide by the Quran, thus, the world really gets to see muslims for who they are.
Just because the words are in your Quran, does not mean that any Arab followed them. For instance, there is not ONE Arab nation on the earth today the follows truly Sharia law, even thought many claim they do. So, following you logic, if one does not follow the Quran, they are sinners. No?
Think about it. Many things are said in the Quran, very few things are actually carried out, in that, the Quran does say some good things, however, most muslims fail to obide by the Quran, thus, the world really gets to see muslims for who they are.
Arabian said:
Arabia,
If Islam is such a perfect religion how do they justify suicide bombers. Why haven't the leaders of Islam condemned the terrorists? Why do Islamic countries treat woman as second class citizens? They seem to have an intolerance of any other religion in the nation of Saudia Arabia, Iran, Afganastan, Lybia, etc...
What would happen if someone put up a Cross, or Christmas tree in one of these countries could you get away with it, however in the US which is a predominatly Christian society we accept all religions and dont limit anyone based on their beliefs.
Maybe this doesn't happen in Egypt, but woman are denied an education, the right to vote and the right to travel without a male relative as an escort. In Afghanastan and other countries the woman arent even allowed to be seen. How is this religion so wonderful for woman? This seems like an oppressive religion to me, especially since I'm a woman.
It has been said by many the Islam is a religion of peace when trying to gain power but when it gets a foothold it becomes a religion of oppression
If you can enlighten me please do.
gop_jeff said:Moses spoke Hebrew, not Arabic.
Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Arabic.
Who is true now, man?
actually Gop
when i read this verse
in qur'an
"and he teach adam all names "
this was said by allah when he teach adams all names when angels asked allah why would you create humans who will ruin and spoil the earth while we pray and thank you every time
then allah said i know what you angels dont know
when i read this verse i thought that all message that prophet came with were in arabic ,, and i thought jews and christ were also spoken arabic
but after what you said ,, i will look in this matter again
thanx friend for this comment
salam
this make you look at the word i said at lastYurt said:
not all muslims good but Islam as a religion is perfect
can i ask you some thing if you are a smoker
would you say to other smokers and order them to stop smooking ???
how come the prophet come with message and die for it and don't follow it
but im sorry in Islam we believe in all prophets
did you ever see me say a bad word about any prophets ,,
this is because prophets should be looked at a big things and have almost no sins .
so why you keep saying bad things about prophet Muhammed "not you specifically"
is it in your religion
okay religion say dont humilate and say bad words about each other
does all religiouse follow this ????
it just simple examples to illustrate
Trigg said:
If you want an answer to your question about suicide bombing there is a book by an imam that you should read. The gist of what he says is that suicide bombings are wrong and many leaders and scholars in Islam have denounced these acts, it is too bad that their denouncements do not make it into the media and if they do they are usually on page 47 or so of your paper. Some extremists are rationalizing that suicide bombing is permissible because they are defending their homeland. Most disagree.
If you haven't noticed, our country, the United States of America, still treat women as second class citizens. It wasn't long ago that women were allowed to vote and look at the salaries of women compared to men for the exact same job. As for oppression of women in Islam, unfortunately it happens way too much but to say all women are oppressed is a gross generalization. Compare how many women have led Muslim countries to non-Muslim countries. THere is a chapter in the Qur'an about Women, it isn't very long so maybe you should check it out.
As for acceptance of all religions in our country, that is true for the most part. However, numerous churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples have been vandalized just this year. Christians were not being attacked for the most part in Muslim countries until after 9/11.
Many leaders in the middle east are abusing their powers and democratic movements are starting to mobilize in these countries. It would also help if the leaders of these countries weren't buttressed by leaders of other, more powerful countries...but this isn't the politics room. Hope this helped.
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stoor said:
How much does it cost to mail a letter from the moon?
You know this is so rediculas I dont know where to begin. Why arn't these Iman talkng publicly and vocaly about the suicide bombers..stoor said:
You can say woman in the US didn't have the right to vote untill recently you are correct. but our country is only 200 years old and everyone is free. and we never considered our woman to be such an influence of evil that we can't control ourselves so they should be covered from head to toe....
As for womens salarys being lower your right in some instances that is true. Hell at least there allowed to work.
Why did 9/11 make a difference in the attacks of non-muslims? I have an answer for you it is because your leaders didn't condemn them. If you dont condemn you condone the acts.
what about honor killings in the muslim communities. A brother rapes his sister and she is condemend and killed to uphold the family honor, what about that waste of flesh brother? Why wasnt he killed to uphold honor. You will never be able to explain this one to me. That piece of shit brother shoud have had his penis cut off isnt that the way sharia law works remove the offending appendage like a hand for stealing. Oh wait you did remove the offensive part, you killed the sister...After all she is only a woman...
Why does a woman in a muslim country have to have a male escort?? Why does it take 2 woman to contradict 1 man if even than. How can a little boy younger than 5 have more say than a woman. All of this is just plain sick..
You can sit here and pick little things from the history of the US but in the here and now woman are being treated as nothing more than domestic slaves and breaders for future muslim men....
Thank God I live in the US
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stoor said:
Really? Maybe you do, but not where I am from. The only people I see in this country still treating women as second class citizens are those in the Muslim communities of America and perhaps, some of the radical Mormons.
Not that long ago? Dude, I don't know about you, but nearly 85 years ago bro. That is quite a while back. Take a look at This Site and note how many of the countries that started allowing women to vote after the US did are Muslim countries. Also note that the only two countries that still do not allow women to vote or hold office are Muslim countries. DOH!
Look at how many powerful women there are in America. This is a BS argument as there are many variables as to why SOME women earn less than men for the same job. Things like, many women are not willing to travel, many have to and want to go home right on time every day to take care of their kids, etc., etc.
Okay, let us do that.
Muslim countries:
Benazir Bhutto - who, BTW, spent most of her time as Prime Minister of Pakistan either in Prison or under house arrest. When she was elected in 1988, she was the first woman ever elected to head an Islamic Nation. Great example!!
Non-Muslim Countries:
Indira Gandhi
As prime minister of India from 1966 to 1977 and 1980 to 1984, Gandhi led the world's largest democracy. Indians called her Mataji, or "respected mother."
Golda Meir
Meir moved to Palestine in 1921 from Milwaukee and quickly became a leader in the Zionist movement. She was elected to the legislature of Israel in 1949 and served as prime minister from 1969 to 1974.
Margaret Thatcher
Thatcher began her long career in Great Britain's Parliament in 1959. She was the first female prime minister and the longest serving. She advocated conservative economic policies during her tenure from 1979 to 1990.
Vigdis Finnbogadottir
The first popularly elected female president in history, Finnbogadottir defeated three men in her first run for Iceland's presidency in 1980. She worked to modernize Iceland and improve the status of women until the end of her fourth term in 1996.
Mary Eugenia Charles
The first female lawyer on the Caribbean island of Dominica, Charles was elected prime minister after the island gained independence from Great Britain in 1978. Known as the "Iron Woman of the Caribbean," Charles instituted economic reforms and environmental protections during her three-term tenure.
Gro Harlem Brundtland
As prime minister of Norway from 1986 to 1989 and 1990 to 1996, Brundtland encouraged entrance to the European community. A strong proponent of women's rights, Brundtland helped lead a movement resulting in increased female participation in government. She now serves as the Director-General of the World Health Organization.
Violeta Barrios de Chamorro
Chamorro became the first women to be elected president in the Western Hemisphere when she won the elections in Nicaragua in 1990. Her reforms failed to help the country's ailing economy and she retired in 1997.
Mary Robinson
After she was elected president of Ireland in 1990, Robinson said of the Irish voters, "Instead of rocking the table, they rocked the system." After a successful presidency, Robinson accepted a position as the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
Mary McAleese
Elected president of Ireland in 1997, McAleese continues to promote the peace process between Catholics and Protestants.
Helen Clark
Clark became prime minister of New Zealand in 1999. She had served in parliament for 19 years and held posts as the head of the health, conservation, housing and labor departments.
Tarja Kaarina Halonen
Halonen was elected president of Finland in 2000. She had served in Parliament since 1979 and as Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1995 until her election. Butto THere is a chapter in the Qur'an about Women, it isn't very long so maybe you should check it out.
Oops, you got busted on that one - idiot.
What a CROCK of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you forgotten Lebanon, Malaysia (1969 riots killed 10,000 non-Muslim Chinese and Indians), etc., etc.
I was going to break them all down for you, but I don't have to. It is a known fact that in Muslim countries Christians (hell, all non-Muslims) are treated as second class (that might be too generous) citizens. Even the frigg'n Quaran says it should be so.
Are you really this stupid, or do you have to try?
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Everything he said.freeandfun1 said:
I've wondered about a lot of the same things myself. The oldest religions are Pagan, Muslim and Judisim. But it seems like when everyone else moved ahead the Muslims just stayed where they were and never became modern.
On another note from some posts in this thread, I can speak for myself on why I discriminate against Muslims. I didn't before 911. Now they scare me in their little cells. My constant fear is when the next cell will attack in the United States. Call me a coward or a fool if you want, but I believe they're here and they have plans. You cannot tell which are good and which are evil. Shit, look at what has happened in Iraq. Even their own people and the U.S. Military can't tell which ones are which.
Out of no where a bomb explodes or a school is taken over and kids killed. These were Muslims. That was after 911 and it just hasn't happened here yet. It will, you can bet on it. So, yeah, I don't trust any of them.
On another note from some posts in this thread, I can speak for myself on why I discriminate against Muslims. I didn't before 911. Now they scare me in their little cells. My constant fear is when the next cell will attack in the United States. Call me a coward or a fool if you want, but I believe they're here and they have plans. You cannot tell which are good and which are evil. Shit, look at what has happened in Iraq. Even their own people and the U.S. Military can't tell which ones are which.
Out of no where a bomb explodes or a school is taken over and kids killed. These were Muslims. That was after 911 and it just hasn't happened here yet. It will, you can bet on it. So, yeah, I don't trust any of them.
Trigg said:
1st a bout the suicide operation you are talking about
I admit this operation and I know its in our Qur'an
The Cow (Baqarah)
Fight those who fight against you along God's way, yet do not initiate hostilities; God does not love aggressors. (190ة
Okay if you read the 1st part you will see fight the second but don’t aggressors
So if you have the right fight till death and you will find in other life the paradise
Qur'an The Spoils of War (Anfal)
If they should incline to peace, then incline to it too and rely on God. He is Alert, Aware. (61)
But don’t …. Cause Allah hate the intruders
But in Qur'an also
Qur'an The Cattle (An'am)
SAY: "Come close, I will recite what your Lord has forbidden you: Do not associate anything with Him; And [show] kindness towards both [your] parents. Do not kill your children because of poverty; We shall provide for you as well as for them. Do not indulge in shocking acts which you may practise either openly or keep secret. Do not kill any person whom God has forbidden, except through [due process of] law. He has instructed you in this so that you may use your reason. (151)
Let ma ask you what if you have a land and a family and you found some one who take off this land from you what shall you do???
Would you stay in your place just do nothing or you will be ready to die for your land or your family or a belief
This is away from any religion,,
What do you prefer to face or to hide,, to fight or to surrender ,, what if you don’t have any thing to fight except your self,,
Would you give it ,,,
What if you know what Allah will reward you after this life
Qur'an
The Family of Imran (Aale Imran)
Do not reckon those who are killed for God's sake are dead, but rather [they are] living; they will be provided for by their Lord, (169
And they don’t suicide they give their soul for their country "martyr'
These guys are like me ,, like you ,, like them ,, like every body have their own life had their own dreams ,, would you think that they do that cause they wanna suicide I call the suicide for one who just have no aim in their life after they lost for example their love or anything they loved and just get sick of their life
I call what Cleopatra did a suicide but I call the Palestinians martyrs
Cause they died defending their land
Did you see how they live their,, do you know how many agreement the Jewish government repeal
Do you know how many lands they raped from them,, and you want them to say okay come and eliminate us ..
You didn’t live there
Me too I don’t live their
But I know about Jews as an ARMY
What you may don’t know,, cause they were once here in Egypt and I know what they did to my fathers,,
And in Portsaid and the Suez ,,
I know what the Jews did with war prisoners and how they killed groups of people together by moving a panzer over them and this true even it came in lots of studies and programs on the TV I don’t makeup stories they didn’t respect any of the UN laws
Although before they made their place in Palestine ,, they lived with us in Egypt and they were our friends and neighbors before that war,, or these wars cause it more than one
So Jews aren’t only Israeli they are Egyptians and Syrian they are from multi nationals,, if I was in this time they may are my colleague I think and I may eat bread and salt as we say here in Egypt
Anyway away from these staff,,
There is big difference between dieing for your home or even defending a belief or your home
Trigg said:
Actually I dint visit these countries :$ I know am Arabian but …
But I did visit Saudi Arabia,, but actually I didn’t see any Christians there,, I don’t know the reason ,, but let me say something
I don’t know how they deal their but I do know how Islam and our prophet PBUH asked us to deal ,, so when I look to my self I wish I could deal as our religion told us ,, so I wont look at bad guys and say okay I will deal like them there is always bad and good ,,
And about women actually am sure that they don’t deal with them as a second class who said so,, they just separate the community of women from the community of men and this is a long story listen Trigg ,, you could contact me on my MSN account if you want more illustration
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Actually Trigg they can put what ever they want ,, there is no limitation they put Christmas trees and cross,, actually who told you so
I don’t know who told you so or from where you got these things,, and let me say something our prophet PBUH was visiting them in their feasts and go to their funerals and celebrations,, and we asked to do as our prophet do so how come what you say ,,
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Listen cause I don’t wanna say my words again you could just visit these sites and you could found the true religion ,, but note that the prophet Muhammad asked women to get education just as men
http://www.jamaat.org/islam/WomanIslam.html
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/women/
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/qaradawi.html
I hope you get the thing clear now
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